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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 12:46:22 GMT
Makes you wonder, Mick. I try to be as analytical as possible but you just can't get past the head.
I get the same feeling with the SR80i. (especially them because they have a very different sound sig to the Senns, which I'm very used to. Some days, they sound terrible and grainy and other days, I love the openness of them. Weird!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 13:00:21 GMT
I would definitely agree with all that.
E.g. you can always hear more distant sounds at night, or smaller noises that can't be heard in the daytime.
Sometimes my K701 just sound plain pooey, then its 280 time or even the sennys. Another night only the 701 will do.
Talking of which, I tried the reversable inner foam mod on the 701 out of curiosity. Yes lots of bass, but fat bass, not extended and most other aspects that make the 701 what it is were lost.
Normal foams back in!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 13:32:42 GMT
I have an on/off thing with the K701 as well. At times, brilliant. Others - yuk. I also feel that they are at their peak the way they are to be honest.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 13:52:19 GMT
My neighbour across the road has just purchased a pr of 702`s, got him into this HP thing after he borrowed my 701`s and my NE5532 last month, he still has them so he can compare the 701`s with the 2`s.
I will see if i can detect any difference in SQ between the two when he has finished his comparison test, have told him to leave the 702`s on constantly for a couple of weeks to get some hrs burn in on them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 14:14:23 GMT
That'll be interesting Mick.
There are 4 headphones I'm curious about. One is your Grado, the Senn HD800, The W1000 and the K702.
The depth of the Senn 650 with the clarity of the K701 would suit me.
The Senn can seem coloured and the K701 has a 'nasal' edge somewhere at the top of the range that gets exaggerated with some recordings.
If the K702 was a slightly warmer version of the K701 I'd go for it. Other than that, I'd consider the W1000 or the Grado PS1000. They need to be good at the price though for me!!
The AT 1000 has that same 'clatter' in the treble as the K701 as well. It's a headphone that I really found difficult to listen to. I virtually gave them away.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 14:24:56 GMT
I have a hernia type of affliction (obstructed/damaged nerves) and have had some broken bones when I was young.
That made/makes me very aware of atmospheric changes as pain in my leg sets in and seems to have a high relation with humidity/barometric pressure.
The specialist I spoke to about it once knows the 'whether forcasters' exist but have no explanation for it.
I have not found any relation between wether and listening pleasure myself, not dismissing others do find a relation with that as everyone is different (fortunately).
Also You can be in a jolly mood or hate everything around it seems to have some influence but not as much as other factors.
What affects me the most seems to be if I had done some demanding labour (not physical but behind a PC or something non-physical exhausting) or after a debate or other stranging thing this seems to influence my perception the most.
When listening doesn't 'work' I just take up something else to take my mind of.
Mostly in the evening when everything is calmed down things get to be pleasant/relaxing again.
Brain... a funny thing
I still like music even when it does not sound very well but just simply enjoy music/reproduction quality 'when the time is right'
May there be as many 'right times' as possible....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 18:05:45 GMT
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Isn`t that the problem Frans, even when we have a pr of HP`s or an Amp that we really like and are perfectly happy with (on a good day), we are still looking for something perceived to be better, and as i think you have said in the past, there is not a pr of HP`s available yet, and quiet probably never will be, that does everything perfectly, in all departments.
I wish i could be like my wife, she just listens to the music, sadly, i seem to be doing less and less of that lately, which is defeating the object somewhat, just looking for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, never to be found.
Mick.
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Post by gommer on Jan 16, 2011 18:52:01 GMT
IMO, there's nothing wrong with searching for the holy grail, as long as you, as you said, enjoy the music often enough.
Trouble is, probably, just as it is with high-end and it's funding needs, the rule of diminishing returns. When you start low end, the euphory can be extraordinary when you move up the ladder, and that's what keeps you going. When you're already high up the ladder, there might be no more euphory to trip on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 19:03:13 GMT
I think that many of us find 'different' to be better.
When new headphones come out, the comments that you can see are amazing and generally tend to focus on the strength of the headphone.
For instance, when the HD650 came out, many referred to 'speaker like bass.' They didn't hear the laid back top end as much.
When the K701 came out, lots of people referred to the clarity of the top end.
Those very things became their weaknesses after a while.
What surprises me is how a new headphone is described (often glowingly) and when I compare it to my little collection, it is often extremely similar to one of them in many ways and yet, the old headphone has been demoted.
I find myself wandering onto all sorts of headphones, only to return home again to the HD600 or HD650. Then they feel right again for a while until I wander off again!! What a tart eh?
Maybe familiarity does breed contempt!!
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Post by gommer on Jan 16, 2011 19:43:54 GMT
Also, from a completely different corner, how could and would anyone know how a studio album should sound. Even with live albums you can't be sure as soon as stage amplification is used.
Only symphonic or chamber classical music, and live acoustical jazz albums have a reference. As soon as amplification is used on stage or in studio, the reference is gone because any sound engineer can f*ck up the sound with his tuning or even with lousy PA or studio equipment.
During the first concert of Harry Connick Junior that I visited in the Olympia in Paris, I could just barely enjoy the music due to the PA system. There was a loud 50 Hz hum overshadowing everything and the bass was so boomy that it was impossible to follow the bass lines. How's that for the phrase 'nothing beats live', with which i gererally agree (most of the time).
I think that only when a system is tuned to reproduce symphonic orchestra faithfully, that you can be assured that you hear other genres the way the sound engineers meant it to sound. After all, symphonic orchestra needs all but the very lowest frequencies, has a very large dynamic range and needs to be able to reproduce incredible large impacts.
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Post by joethearachnid on Jan 16, 2011 19:44:31 GMT
I am very curious about the findings on this from plane travellers with jet-lag, how they perceive sound in their hotel rooms. With a headache.  -JoetheArachnid |
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Post by pjc68 on Jan 16, 2011 21:15:00 GMT
I seen the zutons a couple of years ago in the liverpool echo arena and that was boomy hard echoey and in yer face, i put it down to the steel construction inside, it would probably be ok for a heavy metal concert.  paddy  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 21:50:39 GMT
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The funny thing is that several of my friends and myself have felt the same way, then suddenly we find a way to make it all sound even better, without resorting to voodoo either. In the case of amplification,these improvements normally have a proven technical basis, and the improvements are NOT illusory.And NO, not all modifications have a positive outcome, so NEVER do more than 1 modification at a time.Have extended listening sessions spread over quite a few days, as mood and several other factors come into play, especially stress levels and background noise from family etc.
Some modifications will also need other areas to be addressed, such as listening room reflections etc. to gain full advantage from them.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jan 16, 2011 22:08:48 GMT
Marc The funny thing is that several of my friends and myself have felt the same way, then suddenly we find a way to make it all sound even better, without resorting to voodoo either. In the case of amplification,these improvements normally have a proven technical basis, and the improvements are NOT illusory.And NO, not all modifications have a positive outcome, so NEVER do more than 1 modification at a time.Have extended listening sessions spread over quite a few days, as mood and several other factors come into play, especially stress levels and background noise from family etc. Some modifications will also need other areas to be addressed, such as listening room reflections etc. to gain full advantage from them. Alex Sometimes, when you're at the top of the ladder, you have to step down a couple of rungs to appreciate what's going down there.... each step of the ladder is different and the biggest mistake is to assume that the final step is the ultimate "goal".... once you get to the top climb back down, you'll be amazed at what you missed on the way up  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 22:28:15 GMT
Marc The funny thing is that several of my friends and myself have felt the same way, then suddenly we find a way to make it all sound even better, without resorting to voodoo either. In the case of amplification,these improvements normally have a proven technical basis, and the improvements are NOT illusory.And NO, not all modifications have a positive outcome, so NEVER do more than 1 modification at a time.Have extended listening sessions spread over quite a few days, as mood and several other factors come into play, especially stress levels and background noise from family etc. Some modifications will also need other areas to be addressed, such as listening room reflections etc. to gain full advantage from them. Alex Sometimes, when you're at the top of the ladder, you have to step down a couple of rungs to appreciate what's going down there.... each step of the ladder is different and the biggest mistake is to assume that the final step is the ultimate "goal".... once you get to the top climb back down, you'll be amazed at what you missed on the way up Mike That is where listening to other people's gear in very different surroundings is very helpful. It also pays to try your own gear alongside theirs, as it can show up things that you don't expect in very different rooms, with very different types and size of speakers. Alex |
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Post by bmxargh on Jan 17, 2011 9:10:16 GMT
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jan 17, 2011 9:53:14 GMT
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Post by bmxargh on Jan 17, 2011 14:43:04 GMT
Tis what I thought  and free postage just adds to the deal. Already sent an email to Mr Neco asking a few questions and requesting the upgrade (not battery). Waiting for reply but reckon should be up and running by end of next week, can't wait!!! |
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jan 17, 2011 22:32:15 GMT
Tis what I thought and free postage just adds to the deal. Already sent an email to Mr Neco asking a few questions and requesting the upgrade (not battery). Waiting for reply but reckon should be up and running by end of next week, can't wait!!! I hope you enjoy it All the best, Mike. |
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jan 17, 2011 22:35:33 GMT
I am very curious about the findings on this from plane travellers with jet-lag, how they perceive sound in their hotel rooms. What kind of hotels do you stay in?  "sound"? The last joint I stayed in had a radio alarm clock and a "sky" TV which wasn't working...... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2011 7:49:48 GMT
Actually my question was how/if the perception of sound is altered when coming home (or arriving at a hotel with portable gear) from a long overseas trip as I suspect the human internal clock has a saying in how sounds are interpreted.
Someone with a jet lag has a internal clock that has been compromised.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2011 8:16:00 GMT
Actually my question was how/if the perception of sound is altered when coming home (or arriving at a hotel with portable gear) from a long overseas trip as I suspect the human internal clock has a saying in how sounds are interpreted. Someone with a jet lag has a internal clock that has been compromised. Or is it plain and simple fatigue ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2011 8:22:11 GMT
I just had a thought .......  Headphones sound very different up in a plane so perhaps differences are also heard at different heights above sea level? In a plane, I feel that the mids get sucked away and you need to have them extremely loud in order to get presence. OK - Plastic sheets in the front room and air pressure regulation coming up. I feel a Michael Jackson coming on. |
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Post by gommer on Jan 18, 2011 8:27:34 GMT
That might as well be caused by jet whining noise which is exactly in the mid frequency range. Even in-ear canal HP's can't block that terrible noise.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2011 8:54:30 GMT
Strangely, I've always thought my PX200s performed well on a plane (I don't have a portable amp) but have a dominant mid range otherwise Another thing I've always thought, but never blurted out, was that even though I only live aprox. 600m above sea level, headphones, of the several I've tried, sound different at home and at work (several metres above sea level). I can't be sure though as the listening enviroments are also very different.... |
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"sound"? The last joint I stayed in had a radio alarm clock and a "sky" TV which wasn't working...... 