Burning CD-R with a BluRay Burner

[pagan]

Alex
I'll see if I can find the software/program tomorrow

allan

[jeffc]

Are these the right discs? I do note that the reviewer says the maker has gone bust.

svp.co.uk/product/prodisc_full_face_printable_(black_bottom)_cd_r_prodisc017

juke

Hi Duke, yer they're the ones, was wondering why at most places they indicate 'out of stock'. Black disks from Memorex are reported to be OK too and I've also used some that Jaycar used to stock made by Laser.

cheers.. jeffc

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CD Japan despatched my Blu-spec Jazz sampler yesterday. Tracks are :

1. ROUND MIDNIGHT/ MILES DAVIS
2. BIRDLAND/ WEATHER REPORT
3. COME ON,COME OVER/ JACO PASTORIUS
4. BLUE RONDO A LA TURK/ DAVE BRUBECK QUARTET,THE
5. WALTZ FOR DEBBY/ BILL EVANS
6. FLIGHT OVER RIO/ AL DI MEOLA
7. BIRDS OF FIRE/ JOHN MCLAUGHLIN
8. MEDIEVAL OVERTURE/ RETURN TO FOREVER
9. RUBY,MY DEAR(TAKE 3)/ THELONIOUS MONK
10. TAKE THE 'A' TRAIN/ DUKE ELLINGTON
11. FABLES OF FAUBUS/ CHARLES MINGUS
12. BIRD SONG/ JAY JAY JOHNSON

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Thanks jeffc, I'll get some before they disappear.

juke

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Unbelieveable - out of stock.
juke

[charleyphogg]

I have alot of 16/44 amd 24/96 of same unadultered xopies direct from master. I'd thin, if anyone wants to get down to the nitty gritty as how files and methods compare, that this would be the besy option. This way every one could have the same exact files, and do whatever they want with them and compare.


Any takers?

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Mar 14, 2009 5:10:09 GMT @charleyphogg said:

I have alot of 16/44 amd 24/96 of same unadultered xopies direct from master. I'd thin, if anyone wants to get down to the nitty gritty as how files and methods compare, that this would be the besy option. This way every one could have the same exact files, and do whatever they want with them and compare.


Any takers?

How were the 24/96 copies derived from the masters ? Were they 24/96 originally ? TBH, I don't think we really need to compare 44.1 and 24/96 copies unless the 24/96 were upsampled. Unless the 24/96 were converted to a "lossless" format then reconverted, they should be very good indeed and definitely worth a listen.
Regarding the Sony Blu-spec releases , I find the Sony explanation about lack of error correction, or far less error correction being needed,by itself, as unconvincing.
It will be a big part of the answer, but unless Sony is keeping the real reasons to themselves, perhaps they really don't know why they sound so good ? I wonder if the disc formulation being optimised for blue laser also plays a part? Having ripped both versions to HDD using the same BluRay player, I would have expected them to sound much closer if they have the same data on each . However, they don't even come close with my playback system from the P.C.
There is obviously something they aren't telling us.
Perhaps I wasn't so stupid after all, in claiming I could hear differences between reconverted flac files and the original ?
Alex

[charleyphogg]

Thats what I'm saying Alex. I have no doubt, with my limited understanding of how wave lenghts and frequency etc,etc works. To me it makes since that a blue ray would burn better then anything else. But how much, and to what extint..... I dunno. That's why I suggested this fromat.Any thing I would ever talk about comparing 24/96 to 16/44 or visa versa , must have 24/96 thento 16/44 . Otherwise it defets the purpose.

Hence same exact source, same transfer, same linege.

Thats why I was suggestioning this route. It is as clean as it gets, NO mastering....for the most part, but you will know that when it occurs. I far from doubt what you hear, let alone what u know.

I would defentaly think the blue wave, and hence, the disc to gurn that type, wpould be far superior then any thing we know exepct direct transfer.

To me, the way I think of it, correct me if I'm wrong, but the blue wave is shorter and more "deifined" then the red wave. Meaning what it burns, and what it reads is wayyyyyy more sharper then what the red wave will ever see/


" .....Perhaps I wasn't so stupid after all, in claiming I could hear differences between reconverted flac files and the original ?
Alex " ........

I never said you were. I never even doubt your point. I simply said I hadnt tried it, and I know my setup left alot to be desired. Dunno if its my cables or pc shit, maybe even headphones .


Now.............. What was that about tubes YOU said Alex?

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charleyphogg
That wasn't aimed at you. I don't blame many people for doubting claims that have been made about burning discs that sound better than the original, either, as it does sound like BS. Luckily, we now have another couple of Aussies who now own BluRay writers, and have played the new copies to friends, who have agreed they sound noticeably better.
It would be great if all the recording studios started creating their CD masters this way, AND turned down those BLOODY compressors before mastering !!!
Did you have a look at he photos at : www.homecinemachoice.com/features/blu-spec+CD+sounds+better

Now.............. What was that about tubes YOU said Alex?

I wouldn't even be game to go there now that Rick is back and revitalised .

[XTRProf]

Mar 14, 2009 7:06:46 GMT @sandyk said:

Now.............. What was that about tubes YOU said Alex?

I wouldn't even be game to go there now that Rick is back and revitalised .

Ha, ha .............. Alex, I just don't know why you are so against tubes? What Ricky and the rest who prefer tubes are just stating their preferences when compared to LIVE or the master tapes. There is no ten commandments written here. When we hear a SS that sounds great, I'm sure we will say so just like when I say the F2 SS SET by Nelson Pass sounds really better over the tube SET many stars ago.

.....Perhaps I wasn't so stupid after all, in claiming I could hear differences between reconverted flac files and the original ?
Alex " ........

That I agreed with you and most recording and mastering engineers know that converting and converting, even in digital domain, will result in a final product that's away from the first. I had the chance to talk to the Hugo boss who is doing LPCD45 mastering. He said what he's doing for the LPCD45 is just burning the digital file direct from the master into a professional CDR used in studios. I'm sure all those that had sampled the LPCD45 thru our reference CD tracks sharing will agree that the LPCD45 sounds almost like a studio master tape.

[XTRProf]

Mar 14, 2009 5:10:09 GMT @charleyphogg said:

I have alot of 16/44 amd 24/96 of same unadultered xopies direct from master. I'd thin, if anyone wants to get down to the nitty gritty as how files and methods compare, that this would be the besy option. This way every one could have the same exact files, and do whatever they want with them and compare.


Any takers?

Hi Charlie,

So exactly what you wanted people to compare here? Thanks.

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Ha, ha .............. Alex, I just don't know why you are so against tubes?

Simple. I grew up with tubes, then progressed through earlier crappy solid state amplifiers, "gainclone" I.C. amps,then Mosfet Power Amplifiers,(artificial warmth) then to modern bipolar output devices, progressing from 2N3055/2N2955, to 15024/15025, to MJL21193/MJL21194 and then to more recent 30MHZ devices. I might be old, but I'm not stuck in the past like some people. ;D I doubt that you have ever heard a really good solid state amplifier with a properly balanced front end.
A friend of mine in Sydney has a 100W/Ch amplifier that sounded far better than a big and expensive Krell amplifier , with a far better soundstage too.

[pagan]

There is nothing wrong with Tubes....

Musican's use different instrument amps to get a certain sound that they want.

Same way they use a certain instrument for a certain sound. being brand/model of guitar, piano etc.

In music playback, I try to get the music that they wrote/play, rather than putting my own flavor/colorization onto the end product.

accuracy in playback can be brutal
can be the other too.

[robertkd]

Mar 15, 2009 14:21:31 GMT mrarroyo said:

I find it very funny that we are arguing about what sounds better ... tubes or valves? The answer is simple, whatever the listener believes he hears. There is no correct answer, kind of what tastes better: chocolate or vanilla? Well, you get my point?

Now back to the regular program.

hahahaha good response, kinda kike my blue pill, red pill but where is the caramel and malt

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Mar 15, 2009 13:03:38 GMT pagan said:

There is nothing wrong with Tubes....

Musican's use different instrument amps to get a certain sound that they want.

Same way they use a certain instrument for a certain sound. being brand/model of guitar, piano etc.

In music playback, I try to get the music that they wrote/play, rather than putting my own flavor/colorization onto the end product.

accuracy in playback can be brutal
can be the other too.

In music playback, I try to get the music that they wrote/play, rather than putting my own flavor/colorization onto the end product.

Hmmm. Sounds like a bloody good reason not to have tubes in the playback system ?

Perhaps that is also why you have a finely tuned 20W Class A Solid State Amplifier, and a far better than average 100W/Ch. SC ULD ? ;D

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Mar 15, 2009 14:21:31 GMT mrarroyo said:

I find it very funny that we are arguing about what sounds better ... tubes or valves? The answer is simple, whatever the listener believes he hears. There is no correct answer, kind of what tastes better: chocolate or vanilla? Well, you get my point?

Now back to the regular program.

Yes, and XTRProf has a great imagination. He is the Hans Christian Anderson of Singapore !

[XTRProf]

Mar 15, 2009 20:22:16 GMT @sandyk said:

Mar 15, 2009 13:03:38 GMT pagan said:

There is nothing wrong with Tubes....

Musican's use different instrument amps to get a certain sound that they want.

Same way they use a certain instrument for a certain sound. being brand/model of guitar, piano etc.

In music playback, I try to get the music that they wrote/play, rather than putting my own flavor/colorization onto the end product.

accuracy in playback can be brutal
can be the other too.

In music playback, I try to get the music that they wrote/play, rather than putting my own flavor/colorization onto the end product.

Hmmm. Sounds like a bloody good reason not to have tubes in the playback system ?

Perhaps that is also why you have a finely tuned 20W Class A Solid State Amplifier, and a far better than average 100W/Ch. SC ULD ? ;D

Oh, on the other hand, a well tune and done tube amp also can walkover a good solid state like Krell. Jadis, EAR, Audio Research, etc and, yes, hybrid too like Moscode (heavily modified) ............

Also, try using a SS amp as guitar amp and I'm sure you will scream like the electric guitar with all your hair dropping (yes, the new fashion is Kojak ;D) like Leaukemia after a few times ........... NO PROFESSIONAL GUITAR PLAYERS use SS amps ............

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XTRProf
What has all this crap got to do with "Burning CD-R with a BluRay Burner" ?
The musos can stick their guitars up their rear ends if they want to change the sound, if that is their artistic bent. Playing the results back accurately is where decent solid state amplifiers come in. Obviously, you have an ingrown obsession with everything tube based, so it is a waste of time continuing this discussion further. Please stop trying to bait me. You already know what my answer will be !
We both know the reasons why musos often use valve amplifiers with guitars, and that is to take advantage of the soft limiting that valves present. Most other people go out of their way to avoid distortion !
BTW, using big red lettering is bad netiquette, and is akin to shouting.

Alex

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Mar 17, 2009 0:35:41 GMT mrarroyo said:

Alex, you have a problem with red?

Miguel
Only when XTRProf uses unnecessary large red lettering.

TBH, I prefer more pink.
Alex

[XTRProf]

Mar 17, 2009 0:56:01 GMT @sandyk said:

Mar 17, 2009 0:35:41 GMT mrarroyo said:

Alex, you have a problem with red?

Miguel
Only when XTRProf uses unnecessary large red lettering.

TBH, I prefer more pink.
Alex

No Professional Guitar Players use SS amps. ;D

[pagan]

XTRProf
"No Professional Guitar Players use SS amps. ;D"

Are you sure about that?

And what has this got to do with the topic?

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I received the attached from a friend of mine today :

Alex,

I bought the same LG writer at the computer markets last Sunday for $230. One thing that impresses me is the speed that it can burn a standard DVD. Projects that took an hour on the old burner are now done within 15 minutes. I made a test 24/96 audio DVD on the weekend and was very impressed with the quality and I will try burning some of my EAC masters back to CD-R this week.
Dave

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Mar 24, 2009 22:19:09 GMT mrarroyo said:

Alex, can a DVD burnt using a blu-ray machine be read by a regular dvd machine? Thanks.

Miguel
Yes. The regular DVD/CD player will have an easier job reading the more precise pits and lands, so it will normally sound better due to the tracking motor not needing to work so hard, and less error correction etc. The BluRay writers are fully compatible with normal Red Book CD, and DVD as well.

Alex

[XTRProf]

Mar 24, 2009 8:16:59 GMT pagan said:

XTRProf
"No Professional Guitar Players use SS amps. ;D"

Are you sure about that?

And what has this got to do with the topic?

Yes, very sure, at least in the context of Singagore gigs, studios and even polytechic studios which trained many future sound engineers and musicians under a 3 years course. Yes, even SAE courses locally. I remember very clearly asking one of the students at the polytechnic course why all the valve guitar amps around and the smell of valves in the polytechnic studios in one of the open house visit many years ago. Their reply is the valves sound much better and nobody uses SS amps as it's just too shrill.

I'm just bringing this up when valves were mentioned. Is that out of context? ;D

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Mar 24, 2009 22:52:02 GMT XTRProf said:

Mar 24, 2009 8:16:59 GMT pagan said:

XTRProf
"No Professional Guitar Players use SS amps. ;D"

Are you sure about that?

And what has this got to do with the topic?

Yes, very sure, at least in the context of Singagore gigs, studios and even polytechic studios which trained many future sound engineers and musicians under a 3 years course. Yes, even SAE courses locally. I remember very clearly asking one of the students at the polytechnic course why all the valve guitar amps around and the smell of valves in the polytechnic studios in one of the open house visit many years ago. Their reply is the valves sound much better and nobody uses SS amps as it's just too shrill.

I'm just bringing this up when valves were mentioned. Is that out of context? ;D

XTRProf
It had absolutely nothing to do with the thread originally,and is still out of context now. This thread NEVER had anything to do with valves,which are about as up to date, as your comments about your "open house visit many years ago"
SandyK