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Post by slwiser on Feb 17, 2012 14:29:37 GMT
The DT1350 can be used more universal. The HD25 only sounds good on some types of music alone. personal taste.... I agree completely, most of the music I listen to is best with the DT1350s with only some of my music better with the HD25 and that only when used single ended.
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Post by dalethorn on Feb 17, 2012 19:10:01 GMT
My new DT-1350 arrived, serial number 14111. The one I got last April was serial number 00140. The sound has not changed, although it looks like they have the headband stretched out a lot more on the new one so it puts less pressure on the ears (and has less bass, or until it gets a good ear seal maybe).
I'm curious about the serial numbers anyone else has, to see if those are earlier numbers and how the headband was arranged.
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Post by slwiser on Feb 17, 2012 22:14:05 GMT
My serial number is up around 13.5k.
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Post by dalethorn on Feb 17, 2012 23:17:32 GMT
This is my second DT-1350 - the last one I gave away last May. The sound is still that major hollowness centered around 400-500 hz, and despite every effort to tame it (I don't have any problems getting an earpad seal), the best case is I still EQ 440 hz in Foobar2000 to minus 8 db, and the adjacent sliders by -6 and -4 db. With that correction it sounds more like a normal headphone, so I can see the importance of a drastic mod like one person posted here, with the extra earpads.
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Post by slwiser on Feb 18, 2012 2:01:10 GMT
Sorry but I don't understand what you mean by hollowness. Using the term hollow it indicates to me an drop or emptiness in that area for the frequency response. Then you say you drop that even more by 8 dB. Would that not make it even more down in that area. Does hollowness mean a high point in the frequency range around 400 hz? To adjust the way you suggest hollow must mean that there is a peak in the sound at that frequency.
Your description is confusing to me.
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Post by dalethorn on Feb 18, 2012 2:40:04 GMT
A hollow sound would be kind of like talking into a paper bag, or making sound at one end of a very long narrow hallway. Actually I can almost duplicate this sound with another headphone like the Shure 1840 or Grado PS 500 by pushing up the sliders in Foobar, about 10 db at 600 hz and 7 db at 400 and 900 hz.
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Post by dalethorn on Feb 19, 2012 4:15:24 GMT
So how does the DT-1350 sound? Excellent. Is it worth the price? Yes. But that determination is purely subjective of course, and takes into account things other than the sound. I'll get to the details of that sound after first describing the headphone's physical characteristics.
The DT-1350 has a single-entry fixed (non-detachable) cable that's about five feet long and straight (not coiled), terminated by a standard straight (not angled) miniplug. A 1/4 inch (6.35mm) adapter is supplied and screws onto the miniplug. I can't be certain whether the miniplug would fit into any of the recessed sockets on music players that have such things, but the threaded portion of the plug ahead of the business end is 7mm in diameter including the threads.
The cord is a slender single strand that's just 2mm thick, and joins the left earcup which then routes the sound to the right earcup through the headband. Many people feel that single-entry headphone cables are a better choice because they're more convenient, i.e. they don't get tangled as much as double-entry cables. This headphone comes with a small semi-stiff carrycase that affords good protection when transporting the headphone, and at less than two inches thick is a very convenient size for including in airline carry-on bags without taking up much room.
Since the DT-1350's cable has a standard miniplug with optional 6.5mm adapter, one might assume that Beyer intended that it could be used with portable music players. Since laptop and desktop computers also have miniplug jacks, I'm going to assume that the intent for the miniplug is to be used primarily with computers, although small music players like the iPod Touch will drive the headphone to satisfactory volume levels as long as the music tracks themselves are set to a reasonable volume.
The earpads are the on-ear type and made of 'pleather' apparently, and are round with a diameter of 2-1/2 inches. The insides of the cups have a thin cloth covering over the drivers, and the drivers and their covers are recessed enough that there is no chance of the ears contacting anything that would cause discomfort. The earcups appear to be some type of high-grade plastic or metal, with a headband of metal alloy that provides good flexibility, light clamping force, and (since the DT-1350 is so light), good stability with no tendency to shift when I move my head around.
The headband has small spongy pads underneath which feel very comfortable on my head, but if there is any tendency for discomfort in spite of the very light weight of the headphone, I recommend pulling the earcups down just slightly more than the minimum, to let more of the weight be borne by the earcups and not the headband. Note that the earcups of the DT-1350 swivel 180 degrees, so they should fit any ears and also fold flat for convenience when walking around or packing them into the standard slim carrycase supplied with the headphone.
The DT-1350 is a nice-looking small headphone if you've seen photos of it - mostly black with some silver-color trim, so it has a modest bling factor that you don't have to pay a premium for. I would rate its appearance as 8.5 out of 10 and I would rate its comfort factor equally high. The reason the appearance doesn't get a 9 or better is because the DT-1350 isn't a fashion headphone, so my subjective rating of 8.5 is probably as good as you can get for a serious hi-fi product like this. The reason I didn't rate the comfort 9 or higher is because the DT-1350 is an on-ear design with moderate clamping pressure to keep it stable on your head.
The DT-1350 sound is emphasized somewhat in the lower midrange around 400-500 hz, and some users have reported the bass to be "light", presumably because the midrange might overshadow other aspects of the sound. Since the DT-1350's overall sound is so smooth and detailed, and since people in most cases are going to be using it with high-quality audio equipment, I recommend they avail themselves of the features in that equipment that adjust sound parameters like midrange levels and bass strength etc. The DT-1350 has the quality and dynamic range to accomodate nearly any audio gear and settings that users are likely to apply to it. I have heard of people bending the headband to increase or decrease the clamping pressure in an attempt to modify the sound signature, but I don't recommend such modifications since they can damage the headphone.
Being a closed-back design, the DT-1350 offers decent isolation against the higher-frequency sounds that make up most background noise in an office or home. The soundstage is average for a closed headphone, which is fine for myself and most other headphone fans. Listening to the DT-1350 I never get a sense of constriction, compression or any other such quality - the sound is always airy and effortless. Sibilants also seem less bothersome with the DT-1350 than some other premium headphones I've used.
For this review I mostly used a Dell desktop with premium soundcard playing FLAC format tracks in Foobar2000. Some of those tracks, notably certain recordings by David Chesky, sound so amazingly good with the DT-1350 that I'm often startled by their realism and clarity. Some tracks that I use I don't have FLAC copies of, and those MP3's (320k CBR) sound nearly as good on the iPod Touch connected via the line out dock to an Objective2 "assembled" headphone amp as they do on the desktop computer. A more ideal configuration would be a good DAC running from the desktop or laptop USB, feeding into a decent headphone amp like the Objective2 or better, but given the terrific sound I'm getting already I have no doubts about the ultimate quality of the DT-1350 headphone.
Now that I've covered the basics of the sound, it's time to describe how the DT-1350 sounds with a variety of music that's available on CD's or as high-quality downloads from Internet music stores. I've used the following examples in other reviews, so these will serve as good test tracks for this review and the results can also be compared to the results noted in the other reviews.
10000 Maniacs - Peace Train (late 80's); pleasant sound, great details and good soundstage depth.
Andrea True Connection - More More More (late 70's): Classic disco, very smooth, big soundstage.
Bauhaus - Bela Lugosi's Dead (~1980): Strong midrange sound effects - this is a good worst-case test for resonant-type sounds in the most sensitive midrange area. Handled very well by the DT-1350.
Beatles - And I Love Her, Things We Said Today, I'll Be Back, I'll Follow The Sun (~1964, in stereo): Amazing sound quality and decent soundstage, with excellent voice and instrument detail. These four tracks are a perfect example of how good high fidelity recordings could be as far back as the 1960's.
Beethoven Symphony 9, Solti/CSO (1972): Excellent overall sound and particularly striking how the DT-1350 reproduces the triangles, bells and other background instruments that are often obscured with other headphones that have limited high frequency response. Of special note for this headphone are the bass impacts beginning around 10:30 of the fourth movement. Although the Solti is my long-time favorite, I recently got the Abbado/Berlin Philharmonic version in FLAC format from HDTracks, and the dynamics in that version are so wide that it took some time to get used to. The DT-1350 makes listening to that version a very rewarding experience.
Bill Evans Trio - Nardis (early 60's): Fairly close-up recording, and despite soft highs, excellent instrumental detail, particularly the upright bass and piano.
Billy Eckstine - Imagination (date??): Sounds like a recent high-quality stereo recording. Excellent from top to bottom, wide soundstage and overall a great vocal demo.
Blood Sweat & Tears - And When I Die, God Bless The Child, Spinning Wheel (late 60's): Excellent sound quality, and fortunately (I think) given the strength of the brass instruments, the highs are slightly soft.
Blues Project - Caress Me Baby (1966): Rarely mentioned, but one of the greatest white blues recordings ever. The loud piercing guitar sound at 0:41 into the track is a good test for distortion or other problems. Handled well by the DT-1350.
Boz Scaggs - Lowdown (1976): Good sound quality - this is a great test for any nasality in the midrange. Handled very well by the DT-1350.
Buffalo Springfield - Kind Woman (~1968): A Richie Furay song entirely, rarely mentioned, but one of the best sounding rock ballads ever. This will sound good on most headphones, but it's a special treat with the DT-1350.
Cat Stevens - Morning Has Broken (early 70's): A near-perfect test for overall sound - this track will separate the best sounding headphones from the lesser quality types. Nothing specific, except that almost any deviation from perfect reproduction will stand out with this track.
Catherine Wheel - Black Metallic (~1991): Goth with industrial overtones - I like this since it's a great music composition and the sound effects are smoothly integrated into the mix. This may sound distorted or mushy with some headphones, but the DT-1350 renders the deliberate instrumental distortions clearly.
Cocteau Twins - Carolyn's Fingers (1988): Unusual ambient pop with excellent guitar details.
Commodores - Night Shift (~1985): Good spacious sound with very detailed bass guitar lines.
Cranes - Adoration (~1991): Excellent piano sound leading into a goth-flavored song with very unusual vocals.
Creedence Clearwater Revival - The Midnight Special (1969??): Classic CCR featured in Twilight Zone, this track has great guitar sounds and a really good ambience despite a mediocre soundstage.
Dave Brubeck Quartet - Take Five (1959): Paul Desmond piece - good test of saxophone sound and cymbals, less so most of the other instruments.
Dead Can Dance - Ariadne (1993??): Atmospheric goth music - good ambience in spite of mediocre soundstage.
Def Leppard - Bringin' On The Heartbreak (1981): MTV goth/pop/metal at its best - good ambience and high energy - the better headphones will separate the details and make for a good experience. Lesser quality and the details tend to mush together.
Del Reeves - Girl On The Billboard (early-mid 70's): Classic truck-drivin' country tune with a Thelma & Louise theme, this song's overall recorded quality (almost typical of Nashville in the 70's) is a superb demo if you can get past the peculiar lyrics.
Dick Hyman - Dooji Wooji (1990??): Swing-era composition played with perfect technique by all band members, with excellent recorded sound.
Frank Sinatra - Theme From New York, New York (1980): Ultimate Sinatra with big band production and well-balanced sound.
J.S. Bach - E. Power Biggs Plays Bach in the Thomaskirche (~1970): Recorded on a tracker organ in East Germany, the tracks on this recording have the authentic baroque sound that Bach composed for, albeit the bellows are operated by motor today. The DT-1350 plays the tones seamlessly through the upper limits of the organ, which are near the upper limits of most people's hearing.
Jamming With Edward - It Hurts Me Too (1969): Intended originally as a test to fill studio down time and set recording levels etc., this was released a few years later for hardcore Rolling Stones fans. Although not as good technically in every aspect as the Chess studio recordings of 1964, and in spite of the non-serious vocals by Mick Jagger, this rates very high on my list of white blues recordings, and sounds absolutely delicious with the DT-1350.
Jim Ruiz Group - Katerine (1998?): Unusually spacious and ambient indie-pop recording with a samba flavor. Every pop song should sound this good, in my opinion.
Jimmy Smith - Basin Street Blues (early 60's): This track has some loud crescendos of brass and other instruments that don't sound clean and musical on some headphones. The DT-1350 provides excellent reproduction. Listen particularly to the second crescendo at 15 seconds in, for maximum detail effect.
Kim Carnes - Bette Davis Eyes (Acoustic version, 2006?): Stripped-down ("acoustic") version of the big hit - good voice and excellent guitar sounds.
Ladytron - Destroy Everything You Touch (~2009): Featured in The September Issue, this song has heavy overdub and will sound a bit muddy on some headphones.
Merle Haggard - Okie From Muskogee (1969): Another good-quality country recording with almost-acoustic guitar accompaniment. Lovely guitar sounds.
Milt Jackson/Wes Montgomery - Delilah (Take 3) (1962): The vibraphone is heavily dependent on harmonics to sound right, and the DT-1350 plays it very well.
Nylons - The Lion Sleeps Tonight (A Capella version, 1980's): High-energy vocals sans instrumental accompaniment - an excellent test of vocal reproduction.
Pink Floyd/Dark Side of the Moon - Speak To Me (1973): Strong deep bass impacts will be heard and felt here.
Rolling Stones - Stray Cat Blues (1968): Dirty, gritty blues that very few white artists could match. On some headphones the vocals and guitar lack the edge and fall more-or-less flat. If you're a really good person, playing this song will probably make you feel nervous and uneasy.
Tony Bennett - I Left My Heart In San Francisco (1962): Frank Sinatra's favorite singer. Highest recommendation. With some of the best headphones, the sibilants on this recording are very strong, but they're not bad with the DT-1350.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2012 8:45:49 GMT
I am going to agree with Dale here. The emphasis in the mentioned region is certainly there. It is also shown in Tyll's graphs but will only show itself when you draw in the 'ideal line'. In this case the area between 200Hz and 1kHz is lifted above this line with a culmination around 500Hz (+8dB one channel, +5dB other channel with Tyll's measurements) and very gradually sloping to both sides. This gives the impression of talking through a fat PVC tube (hollow sound). Voices and most instruments are located in that area and this makes the voices and instruments 'jump out' and sound very unattached (loose) from the music. Below 100Hz everything is balanced again and because of this voices don't sound boomy as in most hifi headphones as hifi headphones usually boost around 100Hz for more bass. This makes it very suited for monitoring as that what needs to be monitored is emphasized. It is a monitoring/sound engineering headphone and NOT intended as a HiFi headphone. The T50P is even worse so how that is marketed as a portable phone is beyond me. How hollow it sounds seems to depend on 2 factors. a: the proximity of the driver to ear. b: output resistance of the amp. Since the all important region for voices is 300Hz to 3kHz and the DT1350 is boosted between 200Hz and 1kHz it will sound better when the part between 1kHz and 3kHz gets a small lift OR the part below 1kHz is lowered. a 120 Ohm output resistance in this case boosts the 2kHz region by approximately 1dB. This is not much but lifts the missing part between 1 and 3 kHz a tiny bit. Just enough to sound more hifi-ish as for the ears it sounds more natural. The other thing that can be done is increase the distance between driver and ear. The good seal however (that can be created because the pads are already thicker than the old ones) must not be broken. When it is the lovely bass extension is gone and the hollow sound emphasized. To make it sound more hifi-ish add the extra pads. They seal off well and add that extra space makes the lifted area less lifted (but still a bit lifted). Now the extra added thickness with the same mechanical pressure will increase the pressure on the ears. On the first batch of DT1350 a lot of people complained about the vice-grip it had. It was designed to exert the proper pressure to, smaller sized, Asian heads and after complaints lowered the pressure (less bending of the steel headband) to accommodate for bigger heads. In order to relieve the extra pressure this brings, I had to bend the headband outwards a bit. The bigger HD25 pads also distribute the pressure over a bigger area which also helps. Bending these headband rods is no problem as they are steel and can be bend (plastically deformed) without any problems. What DOES easily happen when bending them to your personal needs/noggin size is the plastic 'holders' around it come loose (they are clamped on there) and might need to be put back in it's place. Another feature I do NOT find very 'professional' and won't see anything like that construction on truly professional stuff. With extra pads and on an 120 Ohm amp it sounds more 'hifi' and the offending area is reduced to more than acceptable levels to ME personally. Yes... some of the bass level (punch) is also slightly reduced but still reaches deep when it should. My review, therefore, is based on DT1350 on high-Ohmic amp and with HD25 pads added and the pressure reduced. In stock form (ear pressure and original pads driven from low resistance amp it is not world class sounding to me but has it's perks.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Feb 19, 2012 10:09:04 GMT
Frans, is there no way of making a filter for them?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2012 10:37:39 GMT
Also, the 2000 to 9000 area looks as though it could do with a lift. At one point -15db. Quite a drop.
Funny, because looking at the graph, you'd think it would be on the bassy sidewith a smoothness further up and yet there are reports of a lack of bass.
If you divide the graph in two, the bottom part looks lifted and the top suppressed, although the straight line 'ideal' is showing a nice smooth downwards gradient.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2012 11:29:18 GMT
Alas, because the bandwidth of the 'to be addressed area' which is very wide, and mid frequency, a simple passive filter is not possible. The drops you see above 3kHz can be seen on many graphs and is not so much a property of the driver (in this case it partly is also) but is caused by the 'ear canal' in the 'artificial head'. The 2kHz area gets a very small lift when driven from an 120 Ohm amp but is only about 1dB, noticeable for the finer cuisined hearing nonetheless. As can be seen the plot goes on right to the 20kHz marker (very good yet not exaggerated highs extension) and is almost never present in cheaper headphones. Note that most professional headphones quickly drop above 12kHz or so (HD25, HD280, Sony). The area between 10kHz and 20khz house the 'shimmering' in cymbals e.t.c. It doesn't really add anything for monitoring purposes but does for hi-fi. So absence of everything above 12kHz is no problem for professional monitoring (not saying for mixing down) and only distracting. The DT1350 is one of those hi-fi or final mix extended kind of headphones. Following the red line one can see at 10Hz (subsonic rumbles) it is only down -3dB from the green line which is a phenomenal value for a small closed supra-aural HP. At 20Hz it's 0dB and at 80Hz only 3dB above the green line so very realistic, uncolored, lows. The tilted green line shows how it is perceived as realistic flat as if flat speakers were used. Deviations above and below the line are perceived as colored in that area. between 30Hz and 100Hz lifted above the green line is 'bassy'. between 30hz and 100Hz below the green line is 'bass shy'. very eratic or dipped behavior in this region may point to sloppy bass or one-note bass. HD800, HE6 and LCD3 as a reference.. between 200 and 4kHz following the green line is 'full bodied' sounding mids (HD600). sloping from 200hz (+ something) to 4kHz below gives very warm, dark sounding voices. between 200Hz and 4kHz horizontal line gives realistic but leaning to analytic voices instruments (K601, K701). slanted upwards (so 200Hz below the horizontal and 4kHz above horizontal) gives bright (bordering to thin) sounding voices and is good for rock and female voices (HD661 for example) boosted area above the green line (average not local peaks/valleys) between 4kHz and 10kHz gives the impression of detailed and sparkly sound reproduction (T1, HD800) if too much (stock HD681 and other 'bright' headphones) this causes sibilance and fatigue. the average below the green line gives the impression of lack of highs extension/finest details but for people who don't like highs might be very relaxing (P5). If too much below the line it becomes dull and lifeless, dark, muddy (if too much lows also) sounding headphones. When you look at the grey (un-compensated) graph lines one can see the DT1350 is unusually 'flat' sort of how a flat loudspeaker needs to be to sound good. This is rarely seen in plots of other than ortho type headphones and explains the incredible accurate squarewave response of the DT1350. This behavior prompted me audition it. Selecting only on graphs is stupid, hearing is believing, though the graphs do tell me if it is worth auditioning or not and a lot about the expected character. But as Ian often says: flat reproduction often sounds boring.... very true, to enjoy hifi most people prefer (slightly lifted lows and slightly lifted treble) filtered HD681, more expensive Grado's and DT990 for example. Loving planar speakers and headphones the 'electrically flat' DT1350, adjusted a bit towards more hifi is pretty well sounding.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2012 11:49:34 GMT
Crikey, Frans. It does go low!!! I'm blind. That is extremely good on the left. Just shows, reading these graphs is not really that simple.
My general impressions are that it seems quite warm with a VERY low bass. Suck out in the 3KHz to 9Kh and a boost in upper mid bass.
Nice downward slope overall so should be balanced I guess.
However, not as simple as that is it really?
I'm very tempted to try them myself but wonder how long my delicate lugs could take the pressure. It does sound as though they are very good.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2012 12:48:53 GMT
Sonically they are very good. Some might call them bass shy, but they are not if you have a good seal and can appreciate subtle bass.
The real question is can you take the pressure. On the ears that is, people wearing glasses should take off their glasses and if you can't stand the likes of HD25 for longer than 30 mins or so the DT1350 probably is not the best choice.
With HD25 pads and a little adjusting of the pressure they are tolerable for pressure to me (without reading glasses on). The sonics I enjoy and don't mind a little discomfort because of it. After a few hours my ears still begin to physically hurt though. no pain... no gain.... I must say I am pretty sensitive to pressure on the ears and don't like most on-ears for that reason. Portapro rests on the head above the ear so was comfortable. If you can tolerate most on-ears and HD25 the DT1350 will be comfortable as well.
Notice how everything upto a few kHz looks like the LCD-2 (aside from the bumpy resonance ride around 150Hz) and the amount of treble is right between The HE-6/HD800 and LCD3 which is exactly how I personally like it.
The HE500 (most similar to HE6) and HD800 have a smidgen too much highs and the LCD3 just barely too little for me. The DT1350 is in between, extended and running close to the green line with lows that impress yet are not obvious or accentuated and deffo not one-note. Voices and instruments are realistic but a tad accentuated and thus 'jump out' more than with most other HP's
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Post by dalethorn on Feb 19, 2012 13:01:05 GMT
I suspect the custom pads will be the best fix. Playing around with EQ makes the midrange pretty good, and the bass is good as well, but a little bit uneven - varies with what you're playing. The highs become slightly uneven EQ'd, but not bad. The new DT-1350 does not give me any comfort problems at all, whereas the one I bought last year gave me headaches. As a portable, with EQ applied, sounds great. Also not bad with desktop gear, although some of the lower-quality music tracks could be irritating.
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Post by slwiser on Feb 19, 2012 16:19:19 GMT
I am not very good at doing mods so is there any trick to getting those HD25 pads onto the DT1350 pads? I have gotten a set based on these reports.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2012 19:11:50 GMT
Perhaps this close-up shows how. The plastic ring can be stretched/pulled outwards and has to be worked around the ear-cups. Don't use tools that can scratch the metal. I intend to fix it onto the cups with black kapton tape as it can shift a bit. Serial number is 10350
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Post by slwiser on Feb 19, 2012 21:06:18 GMT
Thanks for the better picture, I can see how it fits now.
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Post by dalethorn on Feb 19, 2012 23:01:58 GMT
If I could have one wish, it would be that people who publish headphone freq. response measurements get an average high freq. measurement statistic from the most neutral headphones they know of, then apply that to the high freq. portion of all of their headphones measured, as a second chart (not to replace the chart they do now). That way I could much more easily scan the measurements of 10 or 20 or more headphones and get a quicker idea of how each varies from that statistical average. Again, it's not a substitute or an absolute, just a way to more quickly read the data through a graphic "normalization".
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Post by XTRProf on Feb 20, 2012 7:38:55 GMT
The big question again wrt to HD800 or Shure SRH1840 for some points of reference.
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Post by dalethorn on Feb 20, 2012 8:07:15 GMT
The big question again wrt to HD800 or Shure SRH1840 for some points of reference. Very difficult to compare to those HP's since the sound (or the experience?) is so different for me. But just tonight I listened to the soundtrack to Le Voyage Dans La Lune by Air with the 1350 using Foobar2000 and a smidgen of EQ around 440 hz, and it was breathtaking. Very impressive sound and dynamics. If you want to hear what the DT-1350 can do with very demanding material, this soundtrack will definitely show you.
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Post by XTRProf on Feb 20, 2012 8:45:44 GMT
Same for this as well. Ghost in the house thru a hirez speaker system!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2012 9:26:07 GMT
Tyll mentions that little suck out in the treble on his video, but he does reckon them as a headphone:
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Post by dalethorn on Feb 20, 2012 15:08:04 GMT
Tyll mentions that little suck out in the treble on his video, but he does reckon them as a headphone: I thought that also with my first 1350 from April 2011. But I don't see it that way now. Properly EQ'd to push down the large midrange emphasis, they sound really good in that area.
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Post by slwiser on Feb 20, 2012 15:40:15 GMT
I got my pads on the way you show them. The sound is different. I will have to listen a while to determine the changes...closer to the HD25 but with much better precision.
BTW, I use glasses all the time.
Edit: I am really enjoying the sound with the pads. Everyone should at least give this a session or two.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2012 18:50:37 GMT
Tyll mentions that little suck out in the treble on his video, but he does reckon them as a headphone: I thought that also with my first 1350 from April 2011. But I don't see it that way now. Properly EQ'd to push down the large midrange emphasis, they sound really good in that area. It is easy to mistake boosted lower mids/mids for lack of higher mids/highs. I think Dale is right and it's not the highs being sucked out too much but the highs being slightly sucked out (don't miss anything t.b.h.) and the lower mids to be too prominent. For me the extra pads evened it out a bit more, 120 Ohm output amp also helps a tiny bit as the bass remains untouched with the DT1350. Listened to it yesterday and today again for some time and am still impressed. I hope it never wears off, as happened with lots of other headphones. I should update my 'stash-report' (done)
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