just joined the Beyer club...

[elysion]

I simply couldn't resist: I HAD to buy a Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro (250 Ohm) today.

I got tired about the K702's. The only amp that drives them perfectly is the X-Can V3 that Mike has modded for me. They are in no way "sharp" with this amp and the treble is OK (still very open though). It's a very pleasant combo for long time listening and that's the main reason why I don't sell my K702's.

I'm searching more something like the Sennheiser HD650's at the moment. The HD650's sound great, even with bad sources and mediocre amps. They are very forgiving (in contrast to the K702's).

But why now Beyer's? The DT770 Pro's are the first Beyerdynamic 'phones I've bought. I have NO Beyer experience so far and I'm changing this now...

I was in my favourite audio store today (House of Sound in Basel). They sell the Beyer's quite cheap (slightly below the Thomann prices) and I could listen freely with demo models of the DT770 Pro 250 Ohm and the DT990 Pro 250 Ohm. I took my Neco portable V2's and my iPod Touch with me. Both sounded good out of the Neco portable.

I was not sure which variant (80/250 Ohm) is better, but I decided for the 250 Ohm variant of the DT770's since I've heard them.

To be honest: I liked both the DT770 Pro's and the DT990 Pro's. I'm sure those DT770 Pro's aren't my last Beyer 'phones.

Next Beyer's on my wish list:

DT990 Pro (250 Ohm), DT150 (250 Ohm), DT770 Pro (80 Ohm)

Beyer's are cheap for me at the moment since the Euro is so weak im comparison to the Swiss Francs. The DT770 Pro's and DT990 Pro's are very comfortable also.

[clausdk]

Jun 4, 2011 16:50:40 GMT elysion said:

I simply couldn't resist: I HAD to buy a Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro (250 Ohm) today.

I got tired about the K702's. The only amp that drives them perfectly is the X-Can V3 that Mike has modded for me. They are in no way "sharp" with this amp and the treble is OK (still very open though). It's a very pleasant combo for long time listening and that's the main reason why I don't sell my K702's.

I'm searching more something like the Sennheiser HD650's at the moment. The HD650's sound great, even with bad sources and mediocre amps. They are very forgiving (in contrast to the K702's).

But why now Beyer's? The DT770 Pro's are the first Beyerdynamic 'phones I've bought. I have NO Beyer experience so far and I'm changing this now...

I was in my favourite audio store today (House of Sound in Basel). They sell the Beyer's quite cheap (slightly below the Thomann prices) and I could listen freely with demo models of the DT770 Pro 250 Ohm and the DT990 Pro 250 Ohm. I took my Neco portable V2's and my iPod Touch with me. Both sounded good out of the Neco portable.

I was not sure which variant (80/250 Ohm) is better, but I decided for the 250 Ohm variant of the DT770's since I've heard them.

To be honest: I liked both the DT770 Pro's and the DT990 Pro's. I'm sure those DT770 Pro's aren't my last Beyer 'phones.

Next Beyer's on my wish list:

DT990 Pro (250 Ohm), DT150 (250 Ohm), DT770 Pro (80 Ohm)

Beyer's are cheap for me at the moment since the Euro is so weak im comparison to the Swiss Francs. The DT770 Pro's and DT990 Pro's are very comfortable also.

You really need to add the DT880 to your list, they are by far the best of those three..
The T1 is in another class regarding the soundQ, the same class as the Senn HD800, we have a bit of beyerfanboys on the danish site, take a look...
I was told that Googlecrome can translate it "on the go"..

hoved-fi.dk/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=171 thread on DT880

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If you like K701, go for the DT880 (sold those, same reason as I sold the K701)
If you like exaggerated highs and lows go for the DT990, so in essence a bit recessed mids (still have those)
If you like exaggerated but a bit 'single toned' bass thumb and ott highs go for DT770
The DT770 (edition) I had I sold after some time.
No matter how I modded it, the bass was never right.
The DT770, 880 and 990 I liked from the start.
The 770 and 880 started to get on my nerves after sometime (like the boosted Neco ?) and started to hear the flaws.
the pro version are different then the 'hifi' versions I had... don't know how MUCH different though.

If you like HD25 then wait for the DT1350.

[elysion]

Jun 4, 2011 17:14:38 GMT @clausdk said:

You really need to add the DT880 to your list, they are by far the best of those three..
The T1 is in another class regarding the soundQ, the same class as the Senn HD800, we have a bit of beyerfanboys on the danish site, take a look...
I was told that Googlecrome can translate it "on the go"..

hoved-fi.dk/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=171 thread on DT880

Claus, I had a look the Danish forum recently. Nice place and fast growing. You have a very active head-fi scene over there.

That's what I miss somewhat here in Switerland. Regarding headphones, I'm almost on my own. Maybe time to change this. I'm sure there are many headphone lovers in Switzerland.

Unfortunately, Google Chrome is a no-no for me as webbrowser (it's to "chatty" and not very private...). but I'll have a look for some other translation service.

I don't know much about the Beyer's and it's difficult to compare the models, because there are a lot of variants with the same name and also the HiFi/Pro versions and some of them even with different impedance versions. Many choices but no oversight. I'll keep also an eye on the DT880 variants, but I'm not sure if it's my cup of tea.

Jun 4, 2011 17:45:36 GMT @solderdude said:

If you like K701, go for the DT880 (sold those, same reason as I sold the K701)
If you like exaggerated highs and lows go for the DT990, so in essence a bit recessed mids (still have those)
If you like exaggerated but a bit 'single toned' bass thumb and ott highs go for DT770
The DT770 (edition) I had I sold after some time.
No matter how I modded it, the bass was never right.
The DT770, 880 and 990 I liked from the start.
The 770 and 880 started to get on my nerves after sometime (like the boosted Neco ?) and started to hear the flaws.
the pro version are different then the 'hifi' versions I had... don't know how MUCH different though.

If you like HD25 then wait for the DT1350.

I must admit that the 250 Ohm version was not just a coincidence. I had some hope that the 250 Ohm version would be a good match with the Neco's with AD8610 opamps – just like the HD650's, HD580's and probably also the HD600's and HD800's (Mick has tested them recently and has liked the combo on the first impression).

I've tested the 250 Ohm versions of the DT770 Pro's and the DT990 Pro's with the Neco portable V2's and I've liked what I've heard. The midrange is probably where the Beyer's have most problems, but on the portable, I didn't miss much. I found the DT990 Pro's also very interesting, but my plan was to get ONE pair of headphones and not two. So the DT990 Pro's have to wait somewhat. DT150's are also planned.

I'm not sure if the DT880's are for me. I'm a bit tired of the sound of the K701/K702. I like the K702's only with the X-Can V3 and they are by far not as good with other amps.

It's to early for final results, but I'm almost sure the 250 Ohm Beyer's are a good match with the AD8160 equipped Neco's, especially with the MOSFET V2. The portable has not the same power, but sounds OK.

The DT770 Pro's are a bit bassy, but it's not bad with the MOSFET V2. It's a very clear presentation, almost like the MOSFET V2 + HD650 combo. I'd like to hear an open Beyer soon though. The DT770 Pro's are very comfortable for closed-backs, but I expect open-back 'phones to be more comfortable in the long run. I don't regret the buy of the DT770 Pro's though. I don't have much closed-back 'phones and this one is a welcome addition.

I'm very interested to discuss the differences between the different Beyer's (also in relation to 'phones of other manufacturers). I don't know much about the differences between the Pro and the HiFi line of Beyerdynamic. The sound signatures of the different versions are slightly different AFAIK, but I don't know if it's true what I've read somewhere: That the Pro versions are a bit softer/more rounded in the treble.
At least one thing is sure: I can get the Pro versions better and they cost me less. And the black cases of the Pro versions look better (not as gay as the silver HiFi versions ).
The Pro versions also have a 3m spiral cable with 1/8" jack with a screwed 1/4" jack adapter. I like the spiral cable because 3m is sometimes too long, but with the spiral cable, 3m is quite short. This could be a good thing for portable use too.

Thanks for the information, Frans. At the moment, I'm very "hungry" for Beyer infos...

[elysion]

Frans, what impedance have respectively had your Beyer 'phones?

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All the Beyers are designed to run from 120 ohms output impedance and the bass starts to become a tad more refined if you get that right.

Ian

[elysion]

Jun 4, 2011 19:19:16 GMT @iancraig10 said:

All the Beyers are designed to run from 120 ohms output impedance and the bass starts to become a tad more refined if you get that right.

Ian

A reason more for the 120 Ohms output impedance adapters.

But am I crazy? The DT770 Pro's sound great with the MOSFET V2 although the output impedance is only 2-3 Ohms. If it gets even better with 120 Ohms, then that's good news.

Comfort, build-quality and prices of the Beyer's are very interesting.

Beyer spare sparts are almost as cheap as those from AKG. Not the same rip-off as for Sennheiser pads (for example).

[PinkFloyd]

I have the DT-770 Pro / 80ohm and they are fantastic for the money... the mids are a bit recessed and overall I'd describe them as a "warm" 'phone with deep bass. I know nothing about the 250ohm version Christian and can ony assume that they would not be as easy to drive as the 80ohm?

[clausdk]

The difference between the pro and not pro versions are:
Headband
cable
and the box they come in--
Theres should not be any difference in anything else..

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The DT990 performs best at low Ohmic (300 Ohm version) amps such as the neco.
The newer DT880 (2005 version) was defenitely better at 120 Ohm.
The DT770 had tighter bass with low Ohmic but also the highs were simply overdone.
with 120 Ohm the highs got better but bass a bit more 'muddy/unfocussed/wooly'
Even inbetween values did not really help.
I liked the bass quantity, a bit HD681 like, but the quality of it became more and more an issue over time.
After a few months I got rid of it (the HD681 had taken over it's function)

I have to mention the DT990 is the 20 year old version (looks like the current DT990 pro but with another headband) and is more recessed in the mids then the newer version.
if you run this one with 120 Ohm the mids get even more recessed but on lower volume levels it is very velvetty and full sounding.

Funny thing with this headphone. No matter how crappy or good the recording is, it always sounds 'pretty good'
using the SFI990 (DT990 housing with SFI drivers) only the excellent recordings sound excellent and the rest is ranging from mediocre to awfull.

in short, playing louder: low Ohmic amp... playing softly: high Ohmic amp.
This is (partially) why all my amp designs have selectable outputs (be it double socket, as the TX amp, or jumperable)

[elysion]

Jun 4, 2011 21:41:40 GMT @solderdude said:

Funny thing with this headphone. No matter how crappy or good the recording is, it always sounds 'pretty good'

Sounds very much like the behaviour of the HD650's. Even the analog out of my Macs (directly conncted to an amp) sounds good with them. I hear very bad things if I'd connect an AKG with such a source.

Thanks for your explanations, Frans. I really appreciate it.

[elysion]

So far, I like those DT770 Pro's really. They have already improved after the first few hours.

I will get the DT990 Pro's ASAP. I want to know how they really sound.

I found the 250 Ohm DT770 Pro's easy to drive. Comparable to the 300 Ohm Senn's, perhaps even easier to drive. K702 is harder to drive drive than both.

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If you like the 770's and are getting bored with the K701 then you don't have to waste time on the DT880.
The DT990 is a more lush version of the DT770 and IMO the resonating bass of the DT770 it doesn't have.

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You really need to add the DT880 to your list, they are by far the best of those three..The T1 is in another class regarding the soundQ, the same class as the Senn HD800, we have a bit of beyerfanboys on the danish site, take a look...I was told that Googlecrome can translate it "on the go"..http://hoved-fi.dk/viewtopic.php?f=11

I had a listen to the T1`s last week, and can confirm that they are to my ear, every bit as good as the HD800`s, especially the imagining, which i found to be more in front of the head than the 800`s.

A very nice HP, beautifully made and cheaper (normal retail price) than the 800`s.

Mick.

[elysion]

Jun 5, 2011 6:59:31 GMT @solderdude said:

If you like the 770's and are getting bored with the K701 then you don't have to waste time on the DT880.
The DT990 is a more lush version of the DT770 and IMO the resonating bass of the DT770 it doesn't have.

I've heard the DT990 Pro's already yesterday. I was very tempted to get the DT990 Pro's (and not the DT770 Pro's), but both sounded good and I was out to get a closed-back can. I'm sure that I have also a DT990 Pro here soon. The DT770 Pro's work well with the Neco's and the DT990 Pro's are very similar.

I've bought the third MOSFET/BOSSFET because I have one MOSFET in house of my parents (and it will stay there for longer time). The intention was to have them sounding not exactly the same, I was thinking of different opamps first (and maybe different output impedance). Neco had the idea to lift the frequencies below 250 Hz (bass boost). It didn't work as expected though. Now I'm very open to alter one of the the amps with AD843's and with an impedance adapter.

I'm guess it's not about "amps" or "headphones" on their own. It's more about the right combos that sound spot-on for the particular taste of a person. The 300 Ohm Senn's are a very good match with the MOSFET/BOSSFET and the 250 Ohm Beyer's are also very promising. I will keep the K702's, but I'm only happy with them if they are plugged to the X-Can V3.

[mrarroyo]

Having owned two versions of the DT990 and the DT880 there is no doubt in my mind the 2003 250 ohm version of the DT880 is the better sounding can. As far as the DT770 I have never cared for it, they feel like a couple of subwoofers are strapped to my head.

[clausdk]

Jun 5, 2011 10:05:18 GMT @heliharris said:

You really need to add the DT880 to your list, they are by far the best of those three..The T1 is in another class regarding the soundQ, the same class as the Senn HD800, we have a bit of beyerfanboys on the danish site, take a look...I was told that Googlecrome can translate it "on the go"..http://hoved-fi.dk/viewtopic.php?f=11

I had a listen to the T1`s last week, and can confirm that they are to my ear, every bit as good as the HD800`s, especially the imagining, which i found to be more in front of the head than the 800`s.

A very nice HP, beautifully made and cheaper (normal retail price) than the 800`s.

Mick.

I like the T1 better than HD800, not because of the SQ, it is more the signature of the phones, where the T1 fits my taste better, they also feels a bit faster..

If anybody decides to get beyers take a look at
hoved-fi.dk/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=85
members get a 10% discount, I have not got the faintest idea if you can get it cheaper other places..

[elysion]

Don't speak so loud about the T1 and the HD800. I don't have that much money for just one pair of 'phones.

At least not in the near future... I hope even a T1 or HD800 will drop in price.

Claus, do you know someone that already has a T1? I've seen that they are 600 Ohms. They'll need probably a very meaty amp to drive them well.

For the near future: Beyer offers a lot of choices in lower price ranges. DT990 Pro's (250 Ohm) are next, maybe then a DT150 (250 Ohm).

[clausdk]

Jun 5, 2011 14:22:04 GMT elysion said:

Don't speak so loud about the T1 and the HD800. I don't have that much money for just one pair of 'phones.

At least not in the near future... I hope even a T1 or HD800 will drop in price.

Claus, do you know someone that already has a T1? I've seen that they are 600 Ohms. They'll need probably a very meaty amp to drive them well.

For the near future: Beyer offers a lot of choices in lower price ranges. DT990 Pro's (250 Ohm) are next, maybe then a DT150 (250 Ohm).

They are not that hard to drive, they can be earshattering with a panda..
And does not seem to be as picky about amps as the HD800..

[elysion]

Jun 4, 2011 20:21:56 GMT @clausdk said:

The difference between the pro and not pro versions are:
Headband
cable
and the box they come in--
Theres should not be any difference in anything else..

Just found this on the Beyer website:

Difference between DT 880 PRO - DT 880 Edition - (PRO vs. Consumer)

The DT 880 PRO is designed for use in studio and on stage for professional use. It's headband has a more rugged construction (thicker material) and gives a more secure fit for the listener in comparison to the DT 880 Edition. This provides a better fit and causes also a more powerful compressed sound which is necessary for professional applications in studio, OB and FOH. The DT 880 Edition therefore is designed for easy listening. The headband provides a long wearing comfort for hours, causing the DT 880 Edition to have a more transparent and open sound in comparison to the DT 880 PRO.
The differences of both headphones are not huge in mechanical design, but only that small change causes a big difference in sound and application.

The following headphones:
DT 990 PRO - DT 990
DT 770 PRO - DT 770
have a very similar difference.

europe.beyerdynamic.com/service/faqs/headphones.html

[elysion]

Has anybody a good explanation why the "Pro" line 'phones are a lot cheaper than their HiFi counterparts?

Beyer has also a few interesting 'phones between the 990/880/770 series and the top-of-the-line T1.

The T 5 p...

europe.beyerdynamic.com/shop/hah/headphones-and-headsets/at-home/music-pleasure/t-5-p.html

... and the T 70 (page only available in German at the moment):

www.beyerdynamic.de/shop/hah/headphones-and-headsets/at-home/music-pleasure/t-70.html

T70 looks nice, but is a closed-back (in contrast to the T1). T70 is in a more "human" price region though.

[clausdk]

Jun 5, 2011 19:31:17 GMT elysion said:

Has anybody a good explanation why the "Pro" line 'phones are a lot cheaper than their HiFi counterparts?

The HiFi versions comes in a leatherbag..
Which is absent in the proversion IIRC

[elysion]

You mean this one:

www.thomann.de/gb/beyerdynamic_kopfhoerer_bag.htm

20 Euros at thomann.de. The price difference is bigger than that AFAIK.

Anyway, I like the Pro versions slightly more.

[clausdk]

Jun 5, 2011 23:55:40 GMT elysion said:

You mean this one:

www.thomann.de/gb/beyerdynamic_kopfhoerer_bag.htm

20 Euros at thomann.de. The price difference is bigger than that AFAIK.

Anyway, I like the Pro versions slightly more.

Jup..
I hate the spiralcord on the pro models
Maybe they scavenge the coiled wires from old used telphones so they can keep the price down. ;D

[XTRProf]

Jun 5, 2011 13:16:27 GMT @clausdk said:

Jun 5, 2011 10:05:18 GMT @heliharris said:

I had a listen to the T1`s last week, and can confirm that they are to my ear, every bit as good as the HD800`s, especially the imagining, which i found to be more in front of the head than the 800`s.

A very nice HP, beautifully made and cheaper (normal retail price) than the 800`s.

Mick.

I like the T1 better than HD800, not because of the SQ, it is more the signature of the phones, where the T1 fits my taste better, they also feels a bit faster..

If anybody decides to get beyers take a look at
hoved-fi.dk/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=85
members get a 10% discount, I have not got the faintest idea if you can get it cheaper other places..

Oi, how much? This thread got me interested ........