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Post by JohnnyBlue on Sept 25, 2011 21:35:47 GMT
I have the Aune Mini USB DAC and Headphone Amplifier Mk2, looks like this: This RG thread discusses it in detail.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2011 8:46:32 GMT
A silly question John, when you connect the 02's SPDIF ouput to the Aune you do get sound but only if it is 16/44.1, right? any thing higher and you only get silence. I ask because I'm wondering if this could be due to a 02 or Foobar misconfiguration. DIR9001 specs say 108KHz max sampling rate so 192 over SPDIF should not be possible but 24bit compatibility is there so theoretically that should be working. You mentioned you were using WASAPI, wouldn't you be any chance resampling to an unsupported sampling rate, as 192KHz? if so, try goinf down to 96KHz and see if you get sound.
Still, the Musiland is as good or better than the Aune as a DAC, there is little point in going through SPDIF to the Aune. Try using analogue through RCA.
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Post by JohnnyBlue on Sept 26, 2011 11:14:59 GMT
A silly question John, when you connect the 02's SPDIF ouput to the Aune you do get sound but only if it is 16/44.1, right? any thing higher and you only get silence. I ask because I'm wondering if this could be due to a 02 or Foobar misconfiguration. DIR9001 specs say 108KHz max sampling rate so 192 over SPDIF should not be possible but 24bit compatibility is there so theoretically that should be working. Yes, that's right, 16/44.1 FLACs play fine, anything else gives me white noise/rustling (not loud). Anyway, I'm going to have a play around today and see what's going on, including trying various 24-bit files with different sampling rates and also running the 02 into the Aune via SPDIF from the W7 laptop, which uses the 1.0.13 driver version, just in case it's something to do with the driver. You mentioned you were using WASAPI, wouldn't you be any chance resampling to an unsupported sampling rate, as 192KHz? if so, try goinf down to 96KHz and see if you get sound. Now using ASIO on both my Vista 32-bit PC and the W7 64-bit laptop. Still, the Musiland is as good or better than the Aune as a DAC, there is little point in going through SPDIF to the Aune. Try using analogue through RCA. Yes, I did wonder if it was just the HPA part of the Aune that made it sound better, rather than the DAC. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Post by JohnnyBlue on Sept 26, 2011 15:11:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2011 15:31:41 GMT
I'm afraid you'll be stuck in 24/96. Fortunately (?) there is not that much material available in 176.4 or 192 and even then you can still play that with the 02 and output it to the Aune through the analogue RCAs. I'm using the 02 with Frans' CHAmp and it is a killer combo. Maybe you could consider replacing the Aune with a better dedicated HP amp?
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Post by JohnnyBlue on Sept 26, 2011 16:28:47 GMT
That's fine by me: I've yet to try the RCA outputs of the 02, I'm just happy that I can play my 24 bit downloads, at least on my PC (the Aune Mini APE stutters on some 24 bit files, notwithstanding my using a Class 10 SDHC card).
Already got more HPAs than I can justify, most of them discovered through, or recommended by, other users of this very forum!
Thanks for all your help, Javier.
EDIT: Bloody Nora! Been listening all afternoon to the 02 via the Aune SPDIF, come to unplug the 02 from the mains, and it wasn't plugged in! God knows what I've been listening to! (Perhaps using the 02's USB to DAC converter doesn't require power?) Mystified!
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Post by JohnnyBlue on Sept 27, 2011 6:11:21 GMT
Yup, no doubt about it, just checked this morning: the 02 US doesn't need mains power to use it as a USB to SPDIF converter (using the ASIO driver in Foobar)!
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Post by 405line on Oct 2, 2011 23:49:19 GMT
I got fubar and I use a DIR9001/PCM1793 based DAC with a M2 USB hiface..unexpectedly it works up to 176.4khz (Sox resampler>>>>WASAPI or Kernal mode) in Vista...no sound at 192khz though. If anyone knows why this is so I would be very interested to find out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2011 6:50:28 GMT
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Post by JohnnyBlue on Oct 7, 2011 6:54:42 GMT
Thanks for the update, Javier.
Is it OK to just install the new driver, or should I un-install the older version (from July)?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2011 8:02:43 GMT
John, best way to do it trouble free is:
1) Unplug the Musiland from the PC 2) Uninstall drivers from the control panel 3) Reboot 4) Install new drivers with the Musiland still unplugged 5) Reboot again (optional, can be skipped) 6) Connect the Musiland
I've also downloaded this new drivers but my 02 is home so I won't be able to test them until this evening. There is nothing wrong with the July beta ones, they have performed flawlessly (as far a Musiland goes) but usually new ones fix bugs and add new functionality so to me it is worth having a go at them. If I don't like them I'll revert to current ones.
Cheers
PS. I you try them before me I'll appreciate it if you could report back on any changes you find, Musiland never publishes a change log.
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Post by JohnnyBlue on Oct 7, 2011 9:43:57 GMT
Damn! Should've left well alone. Followed your instructions but Foobar won't play anything (not ASIO, not WASAPI, not DS) through the Musiland O2, only DS/WASAPI through my (crap) SigmaTel sound card and (grotty) speakers works.
I tried removing the ASIO set-up in Foobar, and then re-installing ASIO, as per your instructions in the Foobar thread, but still no joy.
I get this error messge:
"An error occured while querying "MUSILAND Monitor Series(USB)" driver. Please stop ASIO playback and shut down any other software using ASIO. Additional info: Initializing ASIO driver failed"
The Musiland control panel looks the same as the earlier version.
Haven't got time at the moment to revert back to the earlier Musiland driver version (which has been working fine) but hope that'll sort things out for me...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2011 9:53:07 GMT
Don't worry, revert to previous and you'll be fine.
Wonder what could have went wrong... I'll test ASAP.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2011 10:01:47 GMT
Hi John, Javier,
I have just installed the latest drivers and they are working fine.
There is no need to remove the previous drivers, just click on the latest downloaded drivers, and the install wizard puts them in place no problems at all, but you do need to restart your computer after the install.
Mick.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2011 10:25:54 GMT
Hi Mick,
In most ocasions you can install new drivers over current ones and it'll work fine but experience has taught it is usually a good thing to be over cautious and do it the long way. Some times it can save yourself from a lot of trouble from partital uninstalls that produce conflicts between leftovers and new driver's files or registry entries.
If in this case it works fine then so much better.
BTW, have you found anything different or better?
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Post by JohnnyBlue on Oct 7, 2011 13:51:31 GMT
Gone back to MlCyMon_2.0.0.0_build20110727 and everything's tickety-boo. Very odd. The only observation I made is that the latest version of the Musiland O2's dashboard had something about a 'License' on the title bar (can't remember what it said, expired or invalid?): maybe this is what stopped Foobar using it in any way, shape or form...
Anyway, all back working properly, albeit with the older software.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2011 14:25:36 GMT
I've tried and got the same "license invalid" error too. The same I got with the Aug. 12th version. Maybe these are for the 03US though Musiland sais in its support forum that all 2.x releases would be common to all Monitor series. Maybe a new firmware will be released...
Back to previous drivers like John.
Did you actually play some music Mick?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2011 18:49:20 GMT
Yes, as i type, great sounding little unit this Javier, has made my mini Ape redundant. Mick.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2011 19:07:53 GMT
You lucky *#@+!!! I've applied for a firmware update but I've read they practice Chinese patiente and take their time before sending the updates. In the brief time I had the new drivers installed I found they have brought back HDCD decoding. To enable it you have to use the trick mentioned in the 1st post of page #2 under sction 3).
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Post by JohnnyBlue on Oct 8, 2011 11:40:25 GMT
Sorry, Javier, I'm a bit confused. When you say "to enable it" in your previous post, did you mean enable HDCD decoding (for which I don't have any use) or to enable the latest update of the Musiland O2 driver?
Are you now running the latest driver? If not, how come Mick can and we can't?
How does one apply for a firmware update, and why would you?
Finally, in my post #86 above, I wrote "re-installing ASIO, as per your instructions in the Foobar thread", when actually I was thinking of the post #25 in this thread, to which you referred above. I couldn't be bothered to check where I'd read your post about installing ASIO in Foobar, and assumed wrongly it was in the Foobar thread! Sorry for any confusion.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2011 11:58:08 GMT
Newer drivers like those from Aug. 12th and the latest official ones seem to need a certain firmware to load. Looks like Mick has one a newer firmware in his 02 than we do.
To update the firmware you have to download a zip file from Musiland, run one of the utilities in it to generate a file file and send it attached to a message with your model and serial # to an email address. If you use Chrome you can connect to the Musiland forum an use the browser's translation service, there is post explaining the whole process and even if Google's translation is somewhat funny you'll get the drift. Wait till Tuesday/Wednesday and if they sent me the update I'll report back with the detailed instructions.
The 02 decodes HDCD encoded CDs but no by default (I suspect unpaid Mircrosoft's HDCD licence fees), it is a "hidden" feature you can enable by changing a 0 to a 1 in the only entry founf in the Musiland.ini file and a reboot. If you don't have any such CDs or file you can ignore it but I do have quite a few and for me is a nice feature to have. It was there in 1.0.13 but V 2.0 from July lost it, people complained and they have brought it back in the latest drivers.
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Post by JohnnyBlue on Oct 8, 2011 12:29:58 GMT
Thanks for the explanations, Javier. Not sure I'd want to mess with the firmware update, after my experience yesterday of trying to install the latest O2 driver! My 4 year-old Dell Dimension C521 (Vista 32, Athlon 64 3800+ processor and 3GB of RAM) takes a good 5-10 minutes to go through the whole re-boot process and then calm down enough to play music, even then it can skip/hold sometimes. I might try the Fidelizer thing for Foobar... EDIT: Just come across this, which, although it's about a different Musiland model, mentions the same issue (but I guess you've seen this already, Javier, as you're signed up there!).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2011 15:54:46 GMT
Good news, more people have complained about the "License invalid " issue and Musiland this time has reacted quickly and has posted a revised driver (MlCyMon_2.0.1.0_build20111008.exe) solving the problem. I've downloaded and installed it and works perfectly. Its here: www.musiland.com.cn/downloads/drivers/MlCyMon_2.0.1.0_build20111008.exeThis is what you get when you activate HDCD (see red arrows):
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Post by JohnnyBlue on Oct 8, 2011 17:14:03 GMT
I now understand why I was getting the Firmware driver error message when installing the driver: although the O2 works fine, Windows never could locate the Firmware (see screenshot attached). Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2011 18:20:31 GMT
No John, that is normal and happens with all drivers. There is no "firmware driver". it is controled with the application I mentioned before for upgrading, for normal operation is not needed and thus not included in the drivers for installation.
Have you installed V 2.10?
BTW,I know is not an easy step but you should consider changing from from resource hog unstable Vista to W7. Your PC would run so much smoother and it'll be way snappier. I have PCs with P4 and 1GB running great W7 SP1 32bit (I'd only recommend x64 for some special uses).
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