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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2011 22:43:18 GMT
To be able to configura the Exclusive mode the Mousiland indeed has to be connected.
Forget the remote thing, it'll complicate things further.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2011 22:47:33 GMT
Oh dear Chris,
Well if Javier cant fix it, dont know what else you can do, he has forgotten more than i will ever know, regarding the workings of computers and there software, so i can not help you any further, did you say that your other computer runs XP and it still does not work on that!!.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2011 7:54:15 GMT
Chris can you go in the folder where the Foobar .exe is, right click it and choose "Run as administrator" then try ASIO again? just to make sure is not a permissions thing.
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Post by rallychief on Mar 12, 2011 19:56:33 GMT
Hi Javier, had some spare time this a.m. so put a fresh copy of foobar and asio, on the old xp machine, went on flawlessly, so the Vista is likely issue, off to bed now, as attending a motorsport event, 110 miles away so 4.am start.
Will try all new instructions on Mon, and get back, thanks again guys, have a nice weekend, I guess your weather is probably a bit nicer than ours Javier, pretty Sh*t here in Devon.
Cheers Chris.
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Post by rallychief on Mar 15, 2011 22:47:20 GMT
Hi Javier, sorry for not getting back yesterday, bad day, tried as you suggested enabling "run as administrator" in foobar file, but no go, still no ASIO, had high hopes for that one, don't know why. If you try to play cd or hdd with foobar in ASIO, it comes up with the message "unrecoverable error device has 2 output channels ( expected 0 )" No sound but spectral analyser runs, to indicate track playing. Have Wasapi configured to exclusive mode now, their is a considerable difference in the SQ between today and a week ago, but I have to say the Big difference has been in updating Musiland drivers to 1:1:13.,and engaging precision mode, i tried switching precision mode off, and it was not good, the foobar reconfigure made a slight difference, but the Musiland driver is the dogs danglies, if your 02, is running old drivers upgrade NOW. Many many thanks to Javier, and all you other guys out there, for all your brilliant help, with my problems, the 02 is a keeper for a bit longer, just as well the Valab I was looking at for replacement, has gone up a fair bit in price this week. Thanks to Joe I think it was, who mentioned the upgrade op amp and class A mod for the M stage, I have a pre built kit of 2 x 627P op amps fitted to plug in module, with Class A mod allready done, on its way from Jeffrey Tam, for £19.19 delivered, got to be worth a punt for that money, if its as good as all the articles on the net say it is. Thanks again Guys. Cheers Chris.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2011 10:11:47 GMT
Musiland has just published today new Beta Drivers V2.0 Among other things, introduces up to 352/384KHz sampling rates for the US 03 ( not available in 02 US because its PCM1793 limit is 192KHz). Google (crappy) tanslated info: New dashboard: July 27, 2011 Wednesday, Beijing. Music of the state released the latest Monitor Series driver . Thanks MUSILAND Audio Labs latest research, this version of the driver officially supports 32Bit 384kHz, next-generation high-definition audio format. This driver used in the music of the state's new Monitor 03 US, and will support to up to 32Bit 384kHz analog and ( Line and Headphone ) digital output (MULINK). Monitor 03 US become the world's first support for 32Bit 384kHz for audio equipment. Monitor 03 US new drive used on the screenshots: the new drive, the sampling rate is set by the drop-down box, an increase of 352.8kHz and 384kHz sampling rate of two. When the sampling rate is set for this two tranches, the audio device in Windows system properties which will see the instructions corresponding to the sampling rate, and can be tested. This is also verified from the side, bit depth of 32Bit and 352.8kHz and 384kHz sampling rate support for the authenticity of the two. This version of the driver release number: 2.0.0.0_build20110727, in addition to the increase in sample rate support, the former MU-BASS will be upgraded to MU-DSP, the DSP allows the user to set the center frequency can be manually input from 20Hz- any of five frequencies 20kHz processing, the accuracy is improved at the same time, greatly enhance the scope of application. In addition to the new version of the Monitor 03 US-driven and the upcoming release of Monitor 03 PS supports two 352.8kHz and 384kHz sampling rate, other Monitor series of old products, including: Monitor 01 mini , 01 U.S. Monitor, Monitor 01 USD, 02 U.S. Monitor, Monitor 01 PS only supports up to 192kHz, this is because their DAC chip and S / PDIF output can not be greater than 192kHz audio format support. The MU-DSP function , then the whole family can use. Download the new driver: www.musiland.com.cn/downloads/drivers/beta/MlCyMon_2.0.0.0_build20110727.exe recommended users update the Monitor series. This drive to add some personal note: 1, all the external USB sound card called the Monitor can use this driver, 01 US, 01 USD, 01 MINI, 02 US, 03 US can not 03 US-specific. 2, version 2.0.0.0, the most to the left of 1, indicating a very big change, and it is past, the program algorithm, code and structure is very different. 3, because of great change, so the first driver in beta, beta folder on the server, we actively encourage the trial, and then speak warmly welcome all comments, suggestions, opinions, comments, etc., of course, the objective of civilization criticism, but do not wish to appear extreme, irrational, uncivilized words. Music of the state will correct the errors we found, to consider and adopt appropriate recommendations based on the actual. 4, objectively speaking, this drive is to enhance the sound quality, because the new algorithm reduces the jitter to optimize the timing, so that the sound signal is more accurate, less distortion, closer to the ideal shape. But this does not mean better for some people to listen, because listening to people's subjective sense of ideas, habits, preferences have a great relationship, some people do not tend to like very realistic sound. 5,32 bit 384kHz only 03 US support, although the DAC chip parameters did not say support, but the overclocking success, unfortunately, limited physical 01,02 DAC chip, overclocking failure, can not support. 03 US only MULINK digital output port 32 384, optical fiber, including 01, 02 coaxial, optical fiber can not do anything, because the audio on the body with a coaxial optical fiber is limited, 32,384 more than the capacity. 6, in order to ensure quality, the new drive system volume (speaker icon in the bottom right corner) and the sound card hardware separate from the main volume, independent regulation, no linkage. ASIO only by the hardware master volume control, the system volume is invalid; use Waveout, DS, KS, WASAPI when both can independently control the volume, the lower right corner there are system-driven interface, volume control, which you can adjust the volume preferences. Above, if wrong, please Musiland customer criticism and thank you!
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Post by XTRProf on Jul 28, 2011 4:06:15 GMT
Audio Class 2 standard vs Audio Class 1 difference?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2011 6:48:56 GMT
There is a ton of easy to read and understand information about USB Audio in this link: www.thewelltemperedcomputer.com/HW/USB_Audio.htmShort answer: UAC1 max 24/96 works on USB 1.1 UAC2 max 32/384 but can do 24 channels of 24/96each . Needs USB 2.0 or better Edit: Forgot to add that UAC1 is supported natively (i.e. no drivers needed) by Most operating systems. UAC2 is supported natively by recent Lynux releases and Mac but Windows needs, mostly propietary, drivers to access full functionality.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2011 9:22:01 GMT
Yesterday I installed the new driver and it certainly looks better. Also I find the replacing of the tabbed configuration window for one with everything on it is far more convenient. I didn't have time to make many tests but it looks like reliability has been improveed and there are less errors when changing sampling rate in ASIO mode using Foobar.
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Post by JohnnyBlue on Sept 23, 2011 6:23:44 GMT
Sorry, Javier, to stir up this dozing thread, but I've got a Musiland Monitor 02 US on the way and have got very nervous about doing it right with respect to drivers (having read posts all over the web about how tricky this can be!)
I'm running Vista Home Premium (32-bit) but would also like to try it on my wife's Windows 7 64-bit laptop. I've downloaded (but not yet installed) two driver packages:
MlCyMon_1.0.14.0_build20110701 MlCyMon_2.0.0.0_build20110727
Can you please confirm that the latter is the best to use in my circumstances? Also I'm curious why some driver packages are almost 30MB in size, but the two above are under 9MB and 17MB, respectively. Why do they vary so much in size?
I'll install whichever of the above packages you recommend and then follow the set up in guide your post #25 above.
Thanks in advance for your help.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2011 7:53:27 GMT
Hi John,
Don't even try to install v 1.0.14 as it is exclusively for the 03US though some reported it also works with the 01US. It will not work with the 02.
I'm quite happy with the MlCyMon_2.0.0.0_build20110727 and the GUI is nicer looking and more convinient to use than the one in the 1.0.x series.
There could be potential issues with x64 Windows versions. In some cases the driver works in others it doesn't. In this case I'll start with the 1.0.13 driver, for the 32bit Vista PC the 2.0.0.0 will be a better choice.
How come you didn't buy the 03US? Did you get it from Tamaudio?
Cheers
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Post by JohnnyBlue on Sept 23, 2011 9:06:11 GMT
Thanks for the quick response.
I didn't get the 03 because, a) I assumed it was much more expensive than the 02 (like the 02 is in relation to the 01), and b) I got the 02 off eBay, so it was cheaper and there were no worries about duty and VAT, etc.
I'll install the MlCyMon_2.0.0.0 on my Dell Vista 32-bit, using Foobar as media player, and see how I get on...
Watch this space!
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Post by JohnnyBlue on Sept 23, 2011 11:14:46 GMT
Coo! I can see why so many people have issues with this bit of kit. I'm fairly computer savy, but nonetheless I've had to do two PC restarts and delve around in Device Manager to get the driver installed properly. (A complicating factor is I run Online Armor firewall, which stops all sorts of things running/installiing normally.)
Anyway, after much button-clicking, I have got music coming out of the Musiland Monitor 02 US, but I'm still a long way from understanding and using it properly.
Here's where I'm up to:
* I've got a blue 'M' in my system tray (to which I am quite averse, I like to keep such software to a minimum).
* Haven't a clue what most of the dialogues/knobs/controls in the Musiland panel do!
* Have got Foobar running with WASAPI (haven't got round to downloading the ASIO yet) but I can only get it to play music if I select the output as WASAPI: Speakers (Musiland ...). Trying to get SPDIF Interface (Musiland... ) stops the sound altogether.
* Seems to play 88.2/96/192 files without switching anything (and I've disabled the resampling DSP in Foobar).
I'll keep playing around and see what I can learn, but some sort of manual on the Musiland panel would be very useful!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2011 11:39:03 GMT
If you need help either with the 02's or Foobar's config I'll be home (where my 02 is) at around 20:00.
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Post by JohnnyBlue on Sept 23, 2011 13:37:23 GMT
Thanks, Javier.
I'll work out as much as I can over the next few days, then come back with any questions. (I know I'll look back on these posts and think, "Why were you so naïve?". I already do with my similar 'noob' posts about the Aune Mini USB DAC and Mini APE player!)
EDIT: I was obviously trying too hard with my PC earlier on today. I've just installed MlCyMon 1.0.13.0 on my wife's W7 64-bit laptop and it's up and running in seconds. Have no idea why I had so much trouble with my Vista PC...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2011 16:19:10 GMT
Don't forget to click the "Precission" button. Normal mode sounds worse but it is a bit faster when changing to different familiy sampling rate.
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I forgot to ask, does the W7 PC have SP1 installed? it is very important for USB performance as it includes revised USB drivers and libraries with fixes for many issues.
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Post by JohnnyBlue on Sept 24, 2011 7:06:33 GMT
I'll check if the W7 laptop has SP1 installed: if it comes through the normal Windows Update service, I will have allowed it (although I should point out the wife's laptop is only a few months old, so maybe it came already installed?).
I have to say, as a noob with Musiland, that the 1.0.13 dashboard is much easier to understand, with the subordinate stuff relegated to other tabs. I suppose, because you know what you are doing, that the version 2.0 is quicker and easier to use, whereas I'm confused (so far) by all the options...
I also installed ASIO on the W7 laptop, again, following your instructions, and it works like a dream.
One question: I assumed because the SPDIF RCA socket is on the rear next to the USB input, it must be another digital input, so that I could connect, say, my Aune Mini APE SPDIF output to the 02 US and get better D>A conversion. It's beginning to dawn on me that actually the SPDIF on the rear of the Musiland is an output to go to another DAC. Is this what people mean when they write about the Monitor 02 US being used as a transport, i.e., it's used solely as a USB to SPDIF converter and then people use a better DAC after it?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2011 7:57:05 GMT
Both digital connectors in the back (SPDIF & Toslink) are outputs to another DAC, receiver,etc. so the 02 can be used as USB->SPDIF adapter.USB is the only input. Some adventurous DIYers have modded the 01 for I2S output and the same could be done with the 02.
SP1 is indeed offered by Windows update as a critical update but is not selected by default, you have to into de update list and check its box.
Once you get familiar with the 1.0.13 you'll see the 2.0.0 is almost the same but with a few extras like the MU-DSP. This "equalizer" only apllies to the Wave or WASAPI input, it is not enabled for ASIO. Same with sample rate drop down list. The center section only works if you have a MD11 or MD30 - they use basically the same driver
Musiland recommend you lower or mute the inputs and outputs that are not being used, for example Wave in (volume slide to min and click M - as in mute - button) and Digital (refers to SPDIF/Toslink) slide also to min. you'll see a MULINK but that is for the MD30 and 03US.
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Post by JohnnyBlue on Sept 24, 2011 12:54:38 GMT
I knew I'd ultimately be embarrassed by my questions, but I've just seen a photo of the rear of the 02 US where it is very clearly labelled "Digital out", which makes my previous post enquiring as to whether the SPDIF might be an output, look particularly stupid (never occured to me to actually look at the device, so used am I to Chinglish mis-labelling)!
Just getting to grips with some of the possibilties: e.g., running the (newly-discovered!) SPDIF out into the Aune Mini USB DAC SPDIF in, which sounds better than the HP outof the 02 US, but doesn't play anything other than 44.1kHz...
It occurs to me now that A-B-ing two bits of hi-fi used to be a roughly annual event, with say a new PS for the turntable. Now I can waste whole hours/days/weeks A-B-ing HP outputs v. SPDIF outputs, SDHC v. USB cards, FLACs v. WAVs, and on and on...
If I don't post on here for a few days, you'll know what's happened...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2011 14:29:16 GMT
As Frans says, the only stupid question is the unasked one.
I've never used the SPDIF out of the 02 but I think it is not limited to 44.1 and neither should be the Aune's SPDIF in, only its USB in. You sure you're doing it right?
I've recently removed an Asus D2X card (130€) from my PC because I preffer the 02US (80€). The only thing that really bugs me about the 02 is its only XO. I hate waiting for it to change gear when going from a 44.1 file to another at 96. This is bettered in "standard" mode but a the price of worse SQ.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2011 17:16:28 GMT
John, probably you have already mastered the Musiland's UI by now but just in case or for anyone getting a Musiland DAC here is a little explanation: I've separated the different areas by colours. 1) Pink section (top to bottom): - " ASIO": this is the ASIO buffer size configuration. The smallest value the lower latency but too low can cause clicks and pops if the USB bus is too busy. 10ms in my PC is fine (Foobar's buffer is set at 100ms). - " Sample Rate Selector": This only applies to Wave(aka Directsound)/WASAPI input and will tell the Musiland to re-sample everything to the selected value. ASIO bypasses this and sound is sent to the DAC "as is" so if using it this part can be ignored. - "Status": shows incoming format, informational only. - " untagged": Shows incoming sound sample rate and has 2 buttons that switch between "Normal" and "Precision" modes. For best sound "Precision" should be selected, "Normal" will switch faster and be more failure resistant (sync loss). - " Master Volume and Master Mute button": No explanation needed. 2) Blue section "MU-DSP": This area is new to V. 2.0.0 drivers, it is a 5 way DSP based equalizer with user selectable frequency points. The knob or the box underneath it sets the +/- dB value and the bottom box allows to set the target frequency. 3) Gray section "MMDI": This section is only for Musiland's MD11 and MD30 and should be ignored if using any US model. 4) Green sections "Outputs": - Digital: Slide and box are used to set output level from -63dB to 0dB. Buttons SPDIF and MULINK enable each of those outputs (can be used simultaneously) though as of yet there is no device with MULINK input available. - Analog: Slide and box are used to set output level from -63dB to 0dB. "HP" sends output to HP sockets and "Line" to line outs, cannot be used at the same time. 5) Orange sections "Inputs": - ASIO (top to bottom): - Analog/Digital: The 02 only has USB input son only analog works - "Pan" knob and box: are the Left/Right balance control - Slider and box: set the volume of the ASIO input, it is independent of the Wave input. - "M" button: mutes ASIO input - WAVEApplies to all input formats that are not ASIO, Direct Sound, WASAPI, Kernel Streaming, etc. Controls are the same as those of ASIO with the addition of the DSP button to switch on or off the MU-DSP described in the Blue section
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Post by JohnnyBlue on Sept 25, 2011 12:23:20 GMT
Fantastic, Javier, absolutely what I needed. Thank you so much!
I'd begun to work out some of the things, but your clear explanation and colour-coded graphics have saved me hours of messing around.
Brilliant.
Incidentally, you posted earlier:
"Musiland recommend you lower or mute the inputs and outputs that are not being used, for example Wave in (volume slide to min and click M - as in mute - button) and Digital (refers to SPDIF/Toslink) slide also to min. you'll see a MULINK but that is for the MD30 and 03US."
How do you know what Musiland recommend? Have you mastered Chinese? I ask because I've found nothing on the Web in English, at least not from Musiland.
EDIT: Just to deal with a couple of points raised earlier: 1) the Windows 7 laptop does have SP1 installed (must have been done from new, I don't recall installing it). 2) The Aune Mini USB DAC won't play any 24-bit/88.2 or 96 or 192kHz tracks, regardless of whether it's USB or SPDIF input.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2011 20:41:58 GMT
Nope, I wish I did but I can't read Chinese. I use Chrome and it does the translation automatically. It makes quite crappy translations but you get the drift.
I find it quite strange that the Aune doesn't accept any signal through SPDIF higher 16/44.1, you sure you got it connected correctly?
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Post by JohnnyBlue on Sept 25, 2011 21:00:07 GMT
There is only one way to connect the SPDIF out of the 02 US to the SPDIF in of the Aune, so don't know what else to try. The only thing that makes a difference in the 02 US dashboard is the SPDIF button, which turns it on and off. This is from the Aune manual: • Portable 16-bit/48kHz audio upgrade for laptops and desktops. On the other hand, a quick specifications search on the web reveals this: Main DAC chip - Burr Brown PCM1793: - 24bit/192kHz Sampling Advanced Segment Audio Stereo DAC Finally, on the Foobar thread you helped me greatly by stating this: The Aune uses the TI PCM2707 for USB input which is limited to 16bit at either 44.1 or 48KHZ. Both WASAPI and ASIO will give you an error outputting >16bit because that DAC doesn't accept 24bit.
So, the Aune's USB input won't allow 24-bit but perhaps the SPDIF does? Just found this on the web: The Aune supports 16 bit 48 KHz over USB and up to 24 bit 192KHz over SPDIF so you have the portability to play 16 bit 44 KHz sources and the SPDIF available if you need the higher source input.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2011 21:29:31 GMT
Don't know exactly which Aune DAC you have but from what I've gathered Googling a bit they are based on the DIR9001 which should be good up to 24/96. Maybe your model has some other way of limiting input sample rate and bit depth. The PCM1793 does indeed go all the way up to 24/192 and also powers the 02.
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