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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 7:59:55 GMT
US residents may disagree... Americans don't speak English, they speak American! In England someone can innocently say "I love fags, I have 20 a day", it may raise a few eyebrows in the USA though ;D In England football is soccer. Rugby (Rugby football) has more in common with American football. Why do they call it football? Both the English games were created and named long before the American version Don't forget the Aussies have there version too! English know it as "Australian Rules Football", not sure if that is the original Aussie name as well? Take a language, plonk it in a different country/society and it will grow differently, the same goes for Spanish as it does for English.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 8:29:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 9:14:41 GMT
or pass me the rubber. (which the Americans call an eraser) but we'll call the game that we invented what ever we like soooo what if we're not very good at it. take care
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Post by JohnnyBlue on Mar 8, 2012 10:17:58 GMT
Hope I'm not writing too soon, but I think the distraction therapy has worked!
Keep it up, lads!
PS Chris "In England football is soccer." I think you'll find in England that football is football, the Yanks call it soccer!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 11:11:45 GMT
Nope.. I am glad you brought it up. I plan to enlighten myself further about the ins and outs of the J-Play test and will be contacting John by PM in due time. He seems the most knowledgeable factor in the J-Play test and seems serious enough about this subject. Hoping he is willing to answer some specific test related questions in PM's. The problem is the files, ears and gears and participation of those that can hear are essential to advance in this matter. I am afraid the ones that can (easily ?) end ALL of these heated arguements will not co-operate. I hope there will be at least a few of the ones that pass the J-Play test or feel confident enough to help (completely anonymous so no public loss of face). Again there seems to be little 'help' in definitively clearing up the disputed to 'non-believers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 11:29:51 GMT
PS Chris "In England football is soccer." I think you'll find in England that football is football, the Yanks call it soccer!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 11:37:07 GMT
Frans We will not co-operate at this point in time as you are determined to pre-empt the findings of the HFC Investigation. Your motives are transparent to both John and myself.
Keep pushing, and there will be no future co-operation from me. Alex
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Post by JohnnyBlue on Mar 8, 2012 11:52:15 GMT
PS Chris "In England football is soccer." I think you'll find in England that football is football, the Yanks call it soccer! To Chris: Yeah, mate, we all know that, but we don't wanna learn nuffink from dem Oxford toffs, so in current usage, bla-bla-bla... To the others (and you know who you are, you naughty boys!): FFS, let sleeping dogs lie.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 11:55:16 GMT
Hi All I have a suggestion lets wait and see what the Jplay test results turn up and also have a look at MC's findings. it really is a mistake to write of those tests and MC's work until we know the ins and outs of them. and then we have something concrete to discuss and hopefully we can have a meaningful debate on a subject that we all find interesting. then if anyone has any queries re the testing process we can discuss that also in a reasoned way (hopefully). let's look at the number of participants and the results and then if we think that something has been missed we can look at it. for my part i would not care tooo much if i was the only person in the world to hear differences. I've only my own ears to worry about. so lets stop going round in circles it's making me feel dizzy. take care any way back on subject Frans the club is Chelsea
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 12:33:33 GMT
Hi Shaun Just to make one thing perfectly clear. These findings that are being discussed here have come from me. Any possible future co-operation from me , will be on MY terms,and not dictated by somebody with a vested interest in destroying Martin Colloms, John Kenny, and my credibility. In other words, because of continued pressure from Frans,who is not prepared to wait until the HFC results are published , he will not be heading any investigation in this forum that I will participate in. Thanks for trying to calm things down, but I am no longer willing to work with Frans in this matter. I tried numerous times to warn that this was likely to happen. I don't think that I am being unreasonable in not wishing to participate until after the HFC report is published. Alex
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Post by xerxes on Mar 8, 2012 12:45:02 GMT
That's a shame. If you had a similar view of how digital worked AND couldn't hear any difference, would you believe it?
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Post by JohnnyBlue on Mar 8, 2012 13:02:36 GMT
OK, that's it, I've had enough.
Notwithstanding Shaun's attempt at reconciliation, you're all carrying on regardless, so I am forced into locking this thread.
Now, you know what you did and you only have yourselves to blame.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 13:15:46 GMT
Hi All All fair and honest points well received here. i think that if we all take a nice big suck of breath and have a little patience we'll be able to move further down the winding road of understanding. lets wait and see what gives with the tests and then we have something to discuss. IMHO there are no right and wrongs only what works for us individually which sometimes coincides with others views and sometimes not. yup it's been a little heated at times but I've still learned a few things and been nudged into having a good think. so all good take care
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 13:22:33 GMT
Hi All I have a suggestion lets wait and see what the Jplay test results turn up and also have a look at MC's findings. it really is a mistake to write of those tests and MC's work until we know the ins and outs of them. and then we have something concrete to discuss and hopefully we can have a meaningful debate on a subject that we all find interesting. then if anyone has any queries re the testing process we can discuss that also in a reasoned way (hopefully). let's look at the number of participants and the results and then if we think that something has been missed we can look at it. for my part i would not care tooo much if i was the only person in the world to hear differences. I've only my own ears to worry about. so lets stop going round in circles it's making me feel dizzy. take care any way back on subject Frans the club is Chelsea Ah Chelsea... I used to be a 'fan' of Ajax (one had to choose either Ajax or Feyenoord as a kid) This was in the 'Johan Cruyff' and 'Willem van Haneveld' days. You might know these names. Your off-topic comments are noted and the dizzynes will fade as the discussion comes to a single sided grinding stop anyway. Since the willingness to co-operate is suspended one sided (and after this reaction permanently ended I presume) so will this impasse never be laid to rest. So be it. Your suggestion to wait is therefore no longer merely a suggestion anymore but has become a fact of life. The J-Play test nor M.C. s findings have been 'written off' by me. Questioned beforehand at most, for my own reasons. As said previously I am ONLY looking for people that passed the J-Play test and simply do not have acces to M.C. This implies the waiting period on it's own. How well the J-Play test is performed depends on a lot of factors and can indeed ONLY be discussed when all data is present. I am ALL for discussing matters in a reasoned way with arguments. I hope others will do the same and if there are replies from me that warrant further explanation about my 'true motives' or unreasonable behavior I like to be pointed at those so I can improve myself. I agree, it's your ears and you could not care less what other people feel about it. If in your opinion something is correct even when not proven it is your given right to stand behind it and defend it. Stating the same as a fact of life (a given instead of an obsercvation or assumption) instead of an opinion is something entirely different in my point of view and could always be discussed (with ME anyway) in a civilised manner. Even when my 'motivations' and 'mal-intend' is completely unwarranted and taken the wrong way. If something must be researched but ONLY 'selected' people are 'allowed' and is not to be questioned by anyone 'outside' it is bound to raise some eyebrows and questions.The strange part to me is my motivations and opinions MUST be clarified but when someone of the opposing camp is asked a (reasonable) question threads or silence is the answer. I prefer to keep discussions friendly AND in the open, accessable to everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 13:26:51 GMT
Hi All All fair and honest points well received here. i think that if we all take a nice big suck of breath and have a little patience we'll be able to move further down the winding road of understanding. lets wait and see what gives with the tests and then we have something to discuss. IMHO there are no right and wrongs only what works for us individually which sometimes coincides with others views and sometimes not. yup it's been a little heated at times but I've still learned a few things and been nudged into having a good think. so all good take care If only everyone had your vision the world would be a nicer place. Also I hope your wish comes true (football and otherwise). Perhaps you can make it happen yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 13:33:06 GMT
That's a shame. If you had a similar view of how digital worked AND couldn't hear any difference, would you believe it? Owen. No. But I would at least wait until the results of the HFC investigation were published, instead of demanding participation in further tests beforehand. I am not ruling out co-operating in an investigation after the HFC report is published , with somebody else from a suitable background who has a more opon mind on this matter, but not taken sides. Alex
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Post by JohnnyBlue on Mar 8, 2012 13:38:13 GMT
OK, Shaun, now that we've established ourselves as old mates who go way back, I wonder if I could have a little word in your shell-like about your avatar. I appreciate you mean it in a non-footballing way, but really, having a Blues fan with a Red Devils avatar is simply too much. When I frequented the other place, I had a much more appropriate symbol. (BTW, interesting for me to see that that was virtually my last post there, almost three years ago!)
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Post by xerxes on Mar 8, 2012 13:41:45 GMT
OK, I take your point. When are the results from the HFC report due to be published?
Because I think what Frans is driving at is this, and correct me if I'm wrong Frans. Lets say the HFC Report finds that 65% of people can hear an improvement, if we then take some of those that 65% that do hear the improvement and blind test them again we should get near 100%. This would then conclusively prove that there is a difference to be heard and those that can't, have either ears or equipment incapable of detecting that difference. Of course, if the result of the 2nd test is around or below 50%, then we could conclude that differences are likely imagined.
Understand, I'm not interested in petty point scoring, I'm genuinely interested, because I can't hear it and it's counter to my understanding of how digital "should" work.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 13:44:20 GMT
Go for it ! ( if you are able to ! Alex
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 13:50:13 GMT
I was under the impression if a thread is locked the admins and been a whiles were still able to post ?
let's test... I'll lock it for a while see which 'ranks' cannot post anymore. I'll unlock again after a while.
edit: Locked it and can still access.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 14:18:40 GMT
OK, I take your point. When are the results from the HFC report due to be published? Because I think what Frans is driving at is this, and correct me if I'm wrong Frans. Lets say the HFC Report finds that 65% of people can hear an improvement, if we then take some of those that 65% that do hear the improvement and blind test them again we should get near 100%. This would then conclusively prove that there is a difference to be heard and those that can't, have either ears or equipment incapable of detecting that difference. Of course, if the result of the 2nd test is around or below 50%, then we could conclude that differences are likely imagined. Understand, I'm not interested in petty point scoring, I'm genuinely interested, because I can't hear it and it's counter to my understanding of how digital "should" work. Owen The results were expected to be published in Vol 6 no 2 april -jun issue of 2012. There has been no posted mention of any listening session so far under Blind A/B/A 3 minute tests that came out negative. The last mentioned listening session with a different listener was session 6. Links to the various threads are below.Martin Colloms own reports so far, should be easy to find from the additional comments. Alex P.S. Martin has assumed that the files were zipped for transmission . Actually, Filemail provided a Zip of the files that were sent as .wav files.IF the files had been sent as uncompressed Zip files the SQ would have been even better according to recent testing. www.hificritic.com/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=13049#13049 See : Martin Colloms Posted: Monday, 30 January 2012 3:13:48 PM www.hificritic.com/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=733&p=2 See : Martin Colloms Posted: Friday, 18 November 2011 10:36:42 AM www.hificritic.com/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=731 Initial thread. www.hificritic.com/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=897Presently HFC Forum is down quite a bit for maintenance. Attached is a paste and copy from the most recent listening session.(No.6) I doubt that Martin will mind. Martin Colloms Posted: Monday, 30 January 2012 3:13:48 PM Rank: Administrator Groups: Administration , Member Joined: 15/07/2008 Posts: 1,264 we are now on our sixth listener test for the Kethel LOG files A very experienced and fearless pair of ears who can be subjected to such tests and not worry in the slightest. Blind A/B/A 3 minutes of each, knew the track well no problem whatever differentiating, gave a clear and accurate description of the differences and thought the 'better' rip was amongst the best replay he had ever heard of this track on my system his score 35% better than the other choice Astounded that these were zipped files sent from Australia by internet , error checked and unzipped fascinated that audiophile practice for a ripper power supply could be heard in such a remote fashion ! Martin Colloms www.hificritic.com/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=13049#13049
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 14:18:51 GMT
OK, Shaun, now that we've established ourselves as old mates who go way back, I wonder if I could have a little word in your shell-like about your avatar. I appreciate you mean it in a non-footballing way, but really, having a Blues fan with a Red Devils avatar is simply too much. When I frequented the other place, I had a much more appropriate symbol. (BTW, interesting for me to see that that was virtually my last post there, almost three years ago!) Hi Johhny point taken but i just picked an avatar that was closest to my nature from the list. I've no idea how to replace the avatar so some guidance would be nice take care
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 14:49:52 GMT
O.K. Simple test has proven effictive. Conclusion: One can still post when locked. How to shut up this pesky 'solderguy' or whatever he calls himself (other than banning) ? here is a thought... Instead of flinging insults and unwarranted accusations based on 'observations and assumptions' why not ask in a friendly manner. No-one noticed John K. only got some 'normal' answers when the wild accusations were left out ? Give it a try and discover how long a little politeness goes... Shaun, the avatar suits you. I don't think your avatar looks real evil. It enhances your contrary beliefs in a funny way. Provocative towards 'the other side' ... maybe just a tad.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 15:41:11 GMT
Hi All
ahhhhhhh got it
Johhny I've changed my avatar to one that better reflects my attitude to audio,football and life.
nice
take care
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Post by JohnnyBlue on Mar 8, 2012 15:46:46 GMT
To Shaun: Good move, well done!
To The Other Gentlemen: I am a mere underling around these parts; I barely have the status to lock my own front door, never mind a thread on RG!
Jeesh! If only...
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