Miracle Wraps review

[mrarroyo]

I like pictures but do not understand the push for us to post pictures. The pictures I have taken were with a cheap and old point and shoot camera and on the back of a rack with poor lighting. For whatever it is worth go to: picasaweb.google.com/109437154048011247077/MagicWrap#5677093547185797010

[clausdk]

Nov 20, 2011 13:10:20 GMT Chris53 said:

It's strange because there IS a picture at reply 78. Go take a look. There isn't much to see. It's all about the sound

You do not see that it would add to this thread with pictures of gear wrapped in diapers ??

[clausdk]

[clausdk]

remove the s in https then you are able to post your pictures..

[XTRProf]

Nov 20, 2011 11:39:46 GMT Chris53 said:

in fact I took up their offer of a 30 day trial and I paid them!

Woah, now you are the first "official" owner of the miracle at RG. You do believe in God!

[Chris53]

Nov 20, 2011 15:45:10 GMT XTRProf said:

Nov 20, 2011 11:39:46 GMT Chris53 said:

in fact I took up their offer of a 30 day trial and I paid them!

Woah, now you are the first "official" owner of the miracle at RG. You do believe in God!

Actually I don't, but I do know what I'm hearing is real

[leo]

I'd only be interested in reading info how things work, not usually convinced with any wild claims. The most important thing is trying it seeing if it actually works or not. Getting measurements to back up claims may be hard with these things.

Not tried them on the S/PDIF cable yet

Regarding pics theres nothing much more to add to those already posted, it looks like a tampon wrapped around a phono plug

[Deleted]

The RFI claim can be investigated with the right EMI equipment.
Unfortunately the proper test equipment costs literally several tens of thousands Euros .
Pretty hard to come by.
How many audiophiles have that kind of gear at their disposal ?

It is a listen only thing.
Nenno told me he did measure the RFI damping but doesn't feel the need to publish the results as it would not add anything to the story and only the ears tell the story.
This theory holds well with all subjectivists so no need to test this claim.

Another snag in the testing process is the fact that it takes time to start working.
Thus the RFI claim damping does not hold as any ferrite immediatly works and stops when removed instantly. Only the rebalancing thing can explain this (+ another theory)

Since the reported improvements and decrease after some time when removed also shows RFI is NOT stopped instantly so it is NOT a ferrite painted white.
Since the material is not making physical contact either it must be doing something 'remote' as it is near the improved stuff not actually touching it.
Also the improvement is local (at the place of the plug) and the rest of the cable is still 'normal' BUT capable of 'conducting' the improvements made further upstream where the wraps are.
How many wraps are needed (1 or 10) and where must they be placed is yet to be discovered.

IMO 2 'valid' tests remain IF someone is interested to really find out.
Those that have paid for the wraps don't want nor need to find out.
One test was proposed by Chong.
Someone removes and places them in absence of the tester and keeps notes (must be done over several weeks with only 3 or 4 removals placements) and it must be 'covered' in a way the listener cannot see IF and WHEN something has changed and the listener must tell if it sounds good or not.
problem 1: the time frame it takes to activate and de-activate.
problem 2: Sample size... easier to get 3 out of 3 good by accident than 10 out of 10 (flip a coin and test yourself) so tests would take longer than the trial period to give meaningfull objective data.

test #2:
take 2 fully identical sets (amp + player) and 1 headphone and a switch (my AB box is on loan at this moment) and wait 2 days.
Then simply switch between the 2 sets (at equal volume) by having someone plug in the cable to set A or set B and listen blindfolded.
Ahhh too much hassle and who has stuff double and WANTS to find out in a less subjective way ?... no one is going to do that..
So in the end only subjective reports remain.
They are always true.

But in all honesty...
WHO cares if it actually DOES something or not ?
Who cares if the claims are true ?
IF you hear an improvement and it is worth it, why not buy it ?

As Mike says... why spend hundreds on boutique cables or caps but not on this ?
Perhaps Mick 's motto is applicable: You pays your money and enjoy it.
Bringing an offer (paying substantial cash) often helps in getting enjoyment over something.

Having a real timepiece or a Chinese fake that is indistinguishable at first glance on your arm gives another type of enjoyment.
They both keep time pretty well and look the same... but for those that care about watches only ONE of them will give them that 'special' feeling and enjoyment.
Having the wraps and having paid dear does the same.
One is happy wearing the fake the other one can only get enjoyment out of the real stuff.

[Deleted]

I tied a hanky round my head today and after an hour, I found myself thinking much more clearly too.

[Chris53]

Nov 20, 2011 19:54:07 GMT @solderdude said:

Bringing an offer (paying substantial cash) often helps in getting enjoyment over something.

I've had many occasions where "paying substantial cash" didn't help with improving the sound of my system. Years ago I bought Peter Belt stuff, more recently I tried balanced mains and I've had Isotek mains filters. None of them... and some cost considerably more than Miracle Wraps.. made the amount of difference the Miracle Wraps have to the sound of my system. In fact, the Peter Belt stuff made no difference at all.

Maybe I have more of an EMF noise problem than others, I don't know, all I do know know is that the difference is so noticable that I don't even want to try my system without the Miracle Wraps in place.

[clausdk]

Nov 20, 2011 18:11:49 GMT leo said:

I'd only be interested in reading info how things work, not usually convinced with any wild claims. The most important thing is trying it seeing if it actually works or not. Getting measurements to back up claims may be hard with these things.

Not tried them on the S/PDIF cable yet

Regarding pics theres nothing much more to add to those already posted, it looks like a tampon wrapped around a phono plug

I was hoping for threads like the ones by Patrik82 on head-fi years ago..
They were awesome..

who can forget movies like this ??

[Deleted]

Since the reported improvements and decrease after some time when removed also shows RFI is NOT stopped instantly so it is NOT a ferrite painted white.

Or is it a while before our brains realise that there has been a change ?

[clausdk]

or this ??


or this ;D


Those threads were so great

[Deleted]

Nov 20, 2011 20:45:05 GMT @sandyk said:

Since the reported improvements and decrease after some time when removed also shows RFI is NOT stopped instantly so it is NOT a ferrite painted white.

Or is it a while before our brains realise that there has been a change ?

perception ... it's fascinating and much fun once you dive into it.

[Deleted]

Nov 20, 2011 22:49:04 GMT @solderdude said:

Nov 20, 2011 20:45:05 GMT @sandyk said:

Or is it a while before our brains realise that there has been a change ?

perception ... it's fascinating and much fun once you dive into it.

And that's EXACTLY why DBT etc. is not trusted by subjectivists. Changes don't always immediately leap out and grab you by the short and curlies ! It can be a realisation sometime later that something has changed.

[Deleted]

Hi all,

Are these things fire proof?

regards

[Deleted]

Nov 21, 2011 5:18:07 GMT @gregerskine said:

Hi all,

Are these things fire proof?

regards

They look like they may be water proof though. Shame they aren't larger.
Might be just the shot for incontinence ! ;D

[Deleted]

hi clausdk,

Those youTUBE things you posted were great.

I only have one question: Was he serious or taking the p***?

I thought it was a joke to start with but I have come across some strange things in DIY audio.

regards

[Deleted]

I had a friend a few years ago who removed all connectors from his audio system, he claims it made a big improvement. Everything was directly wired, no plugs or sockets. To me this sounded like a good idea but it made adding or removing components quite difficult.

Did you think he achieved that same result as the wraps at a nil cost (actually, it saved him money).

regards

[Deleted]

Did you think he achieved that same result as the wraps at a nil cost

Greg
Many people have reported improvements by direct connections, but the Miracle wraps are claimed to reduce EMI by 70 to 90% in addition.I would love to see scientific proof of the other claims instead of gobbledegook that can't be verified, let alone understood.
Alex

[Deleted]

Miracle wraps are claimed to reduce EMI by 70 to 90% in addition

You realise 90% looks much, but it's only a 9 dB reduction.
Also it is not stated in which band, nor is 70-90% mentioned in the manual or anywhere else publically ?
It can be verified so perhaps why it is not mentioned or why it is chosen not to be published, as I was told it was measured.
And at which impedance (source as well as receiving end)
A half decent simple L or LC filter can easily manage 20 to 40 dB attenuation (in certain RF bands).
Even a ferrite can give more attenuation than 9dB (in a certain band).
The fact that Chris53 already tried P Belts stuff and filters, conditioning and didn't do anything is already 'proof' enough it has little to do with attenuation of RF.

NO... the EMI reduction is NOT what it is supposed to do, nor the main goal.
Acc. to the manufacturer the TTL process (the balancing of conductors) is the real advantage.

I am convinced that any existing measurements can(not) verify it as there simply is no way you can scientifically prove balancing of sub atomic parts.
I bet even research institutes cannot prove nor disprove it.
That's Alex his point as well.

We can measure RF attenuation (common and differential mode), resistance (or conductance) and change in frequency range/distortion.
The claims about balancing and subatomic level changes that take time can never be proven or disproven other than by subjective reports.
Isn't that neat ?

Only above mentioned blind tests can give certainty.
But really no-one that bought this product will ever do this as they already clearly heard improvements so why bother proving what already is very obvious ?
i.e. improved sound quality ?

[clausdk]

Nov 21, 2011 5:36:05 GMT @gregerskine said:

hi clausdk,

Those youTUBE things you posted were great.

I only have one question: Was he serious or taking the p***?

I thought it was a joke to start with but I have come across some strange things in DIY audio.

regards

Scary as it might sounds Patrik is for real, search for "ERS paper" on Head-fi and some of his threads will appear, the pictures are gone so is he, but the text is also quite entertaining..

[PinkFloyd]

Are these things fire proof?

It doesn't mention anything about setting fire to them in the instructions so I doubt they have been tested for this... pretty much a paper type substance and I believe paper is not fire proof. It's all very well having a flame retardant sofa but a lot of use if it is positioned in a library full of wooden shelves and books.... the entire house goes up in flames and all that is left standing is a slightly charred "flame retardent" sofa.

I wonder if anybody has tried smoking them yet? It's only a matter of time... people will do anything to get high these days

[Deleted]

I wonder if anybody has tried smoking them yet?

Mike
Any luck beating the nicotine habit, or is it just too hard ?
Regards
Alex

[mrarroyo]

Just enjoying the improvements in sound, do not want nor wish the test the how/why?