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Post by PinkFloyd on Nov 16, 2011 23:13:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2011 23:29:41 GMT
It would be interesting to put this claim to the test.
Perhaps Ian could try them at a work location ?
A more revealing system usually has far better rejection of EMI and mains rubbish.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Nov 16, 2011 23:52:04 GMT
It would be interesting to put this claim to the test. Perhaps Ian could try them at a work location ? A more revealing system usually has far better rejection of EMI and mains rubbish. Leo is probably wearing them as underpants  |
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Post by leo on Nov 17, 2011 3:02:11 GMT
It would be interesting to put this claim to the test. Perhaps Ian could try them at a work location ? A more revealing system usually has far better rejection of EMI and mains rubbish. Leo is probably wearing them as underpants Not sure if they'd hold my tackle in place   |
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Post by leo on Nov 17, 2011 3:07:30 GMT
On a more serious note Wrapped around the phono plugs (source) and mains cable I hate to say it but these things do seem to make a difference, it was quite subtle but there. Listening with the speakers music seemed a little more relaxed , a little more inbetween the speakers. How did you find the bass Ian? did you find the sound to seem a little slower? I need to listen more to be sure on that. Strange Talk Talk Happiness is Easy seemed a little louder  The initial A and B comparison seemed most noticeable, start from no wraps to wraps was more clear than going back to no wraps and then back to wraps . Maybe it does take a small amount of time for the effect to wear off? What would be interesting is cutting a piece of ERS cloth and wrapping it around the plugs. I know that stuff can be effective at absorbing EMI if used around sensitive circuits, not sure how good it would be just around the plugs though. BTW for the mains lead I think they recommend to use the Miracle wraps around the mains plug rather than the IEC or figure 8 end, bit hard with UK plugs though |
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Post by XTRProf on Nov 17, 2011 4:20:43 GMT
Leo is probably wearing them as underpants Not sure if they'd hold my tackle in place Hey, that's not a correct representation of the product. Now it carries your sweat, body dirt and oil and smell giving it an additional "snake oil". It can sound even better now.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2011 8:56:53 GMT
That's what I found when I sent them to you Leo. Nothing much at first so I thought it must have all been in my head and the next day .... volume up further and as it was imo.
I didn't feel the bass was bloated, but there seemed to be a bit more presence but it wasn't slower for me. I was using the V8 with DT990's. I felt as though my ears were closer to the recording so it seemed more 'there'. The imaging seemed a tad better as well. Voices were smack in the middle of my head and I was aware in some cases of them moving their heads.
Again, I'm just not sure if it was just that I was paying more attention or these things are actually changing the way the system works.
Thing is, would you pay 100 euros for a set? At first, I thought, no way. Mike put the doubt in with 'taking the improvement into account' and I seriously did miss them when I sent them on to you.
Now, I'm still thinking that 50 euros is more of a fair price for what it actually is, although differences are worth what ......
That's where I have a problem with them. How much is that difference worth?
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Post by XTRProf on Nov 17, 2011 10:27:44 GMT
That's where I have a problem with them. How much is that difference worth? Actually, when we talked of worth in hifi, there is actually no value that can be concretely attached to an item. To some, it's so worthwhile an improvement that they can plough much $$$ into it after having chnaged nearly everything. But to others, they will have better priority with that kind of money on other things. For example, if they are not having a DT990 as you, will these people plough $$$ into these accessories? I think buying a "better" headphone will be a better bet. But to those that already have everything to the "best", well the decision is obvious when they have much spare cash. You know, these are the people that will have enough to buy a new car or even an Aston Martin DB9 if they decided to do so. |
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Post by mrarroyo on Nov 17, 2011 11:44:46 GMT
Another person in the "I believe by trying club". I am enjoying reading all the positive reviews the miracle wraps are receiving since they all come from different members/camps.
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Post by XTRProf on Nov 17, 2011 14:21:25 GMT
Another person in the "I believe by trying club". I am enjoying reading all the positive reviews the miracle wraps are receiving since they all come from different members/camps. So what's your review on this? Come on, we are waiting. |
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Post by mrarroyo on Nov 18, 2011 1:44:16 GMT
Another person in the "I believe by trying club". I am enjoying reading all the positive reviews the miracle wraps are receiving since they all come from different members/camps. So what's your review on this? Come on, we are waiting. Did you see posts 67 and 72 in this thread? |
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Post by XTRProf on Nov 18, 2011 4:12:04 GMT
So what's your review on this? Come on, we are waiting. Did you see posts 67 and 72 in this thread? Nope, I missed the 72. I was still at 67 mindset of "I will wait a day or so before I write any observations."  |
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Post by leo on Nov 19, 2011 20:58:14 GMT
That's what I found when I sent them to you Leo. Nothing much at first so I thought it must have all been in my head and the next day .... volume up further and as it was imo. I didn't feel the bass was bloated, but there seemed to be a bit more presence but it wasn't slower for me. I was using the V8 with DT990's. I felt as though my ears were closer to the recording so it seemed more 'there'. The imaging seemed a tad better as well. Voices were smack in the middle of my head and I was aware in some cases of them moving their heads. Again, I'm just not sure if it was just that I was paying more attention or these things are actually changing the way the system works. Thing is, would you pay 100 euros for a set? At first, I thought, no way. Mike put the doubt in with 'taking the improvement into account' and I seriously did miss them when I sent them on to you. Now, I'm still thinking that 50 euros is more of a fair price for what it actually is, although differences are worth what ...... That's where I have a problem with them. How much is that difference worth? Results will definitely vary , obviously the gains will be higher for some more than others. I agree 50 euro's would be more fair especially to those who really like what they do to the sonics. For me I could get bigger gains for the 100 euro price spent on other mods but those mods would require more complex diy. The wraps are dead easy for everybody to try . Shame we didn't know somebody with a few bits of ERS going spare, could easily wrap a small piece around the plugs tied with a piece of string, would be interesting to see how it compares sonically . The ERS was quite effective against EMI, the stuff isn't grounded so thought it may also be absorbing the crap somehow . |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2011 22:18:11 GMT
Well, it's not magic dust so if we can find out what it is, it can be made extremely easily.
100 euros = a pair of headphones virtually or even an amp. The difference is sound would be greater and that is something that the manufacturer perhaps needs to bear in mind. Actually, the 100 euros is an introductory offer. It's supposed to be 120 euros.
Personally, I can't see many being sold at this price and they'll disappear with all the other tweaks we've seen through the years.
If it's just shielding, then amps could be better shielded in the first place perhaps?
Nothing magic or miraculous - it has to be something explainable and once that's out, they'd be worth 5 euros!! There has to be a reason behind it unless we're all having mind jobs done on us!!
If the price was expensive but fairer, I would definitely consider them but not at 100. Too much.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2011 22:35:03 GMT
Attached is another method that MAY help to reduce the veiling effects of EMI/RF. YMMV.  Alex Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2011 8:52:40 GMT
Ah but can those caps do this: (Nenno's claim) What our products makes them stand out is the rebalancing capability offered by the T T L activation. On a molecular level the conductor and the plugs are rebalanced, which greatly benefits the conductivity of the signal. Whether the conductor is copper, silver or gold, the signal will be much cleaner. An other key feature of the T T L technique is the strongly reduced Electro Magnetic Field Noise.
Our T T L activation technique is unique in the world and it is copy-proof. So we are and will be the only suppliers of this kind of audio tweak. Our products do not loose their benefits in time. And besides being easy to apply and use, they are made of organic textiles, so eco friendly.I bet a cap won't rebalance anything. It can ONLY short DIFFERENTIAL MODE interference signals and these are very few. The far more COMMON MODE is NOT affected by a cap and can create even more problems than differential mode signals. The BIGGEST enemy in EMC is using an earthing ground. Unfortunately for safety purposes we HAVE TO when we can touch metalic parts. Especially when the wiring/grounding/decoupling/layout/groundplane/in-output placement is not optimal. Usually in any home made build I have seen on this and any other forum many of these aspects are far from optimal. How do I know ? Perhaps it is related to my daytime job. Wouldn't it be handy to just wrap a wrap and suddenly (after some time) things optimise ? Miracle powder (NOT ferrite as is wrongly assumed) is the key acc. to Nenno and won't disclose what TTL stands for nor does. His claim is clearly that even when you use the same powder it still won't do anything, have NO effect, unless you TTL it. How's that for a marketing scheme ! All the DIY'ers and manufacturers are shoved aside immediatly. Also it is not connected anywhere so the workings (if present) are NOT electrical but on a plane previously undiscovered by science (balancing metals so they conduct even better). |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2011 9:28:29 GMT
Frans You may have noticed that none of the posters appear to have taken too much notice of that molecular claim. As for your comments about those capacitors, I am not overly concerned that you do not believe that I could hear a GENUINE, not placebo, improvement with the +5V JLH PSU after connecting a 470pF 100V across it's 2 9VAC paralleled secondary windings.  Regards Alex |
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Post by PinkFloyd on Nov 20, 2011 10:05:09 GMT
We can have a guess?
Taking The Lager
Treating The Link
Titanium Treatment Lamination
Teaspoon Talcum liberal
Tactical talcum lashings
Tailoring The Link
Total Tampon Lubrication
etc. etc.....
Anyhoo...... Nenno is going to send me some "internal" miracle wraps which I will pass on to the DIY'ers here, there will be cap wraps and a few other types.
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Post by clausdk on Nov 20, 2011 10:35:25 GMT
This thread is worthless without pictures, normally you guy take pictures of everything, but this mod ??
NO PICTURES, did it ever happen ??
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Post by XTRProf on Nov 20, 2011 11:20:13 GMT
TTL? Oh, simple just Talk The Lingo of miracle. Sunday, right? Of course, those not into God need not apply. |
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Post by Chris53 on Nov 20, 2011 11:39:46 GMT
This thread is worthless without pictures, normally you guy take pictures of everything, but this mod ?? NO PICTURES, did it ever happen ?? A strange response. I didn't (and still don't) have a camera handy but I posted a picture (reply78) taken from the makers website. It is pretty much the same as a picture I could take myself. It definately happened in my case and I definately heard a marked improvement to the sound. I am not being paid to say it... in fact I took up their offer of a 30 day trial and I paid them! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2011 12:35:37 GMT
Has anyone tried these on a digital line yet? -------------------------------------- TTL = titanic tit lactation  |
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Post by clausdk on Nov 20, 2011 12:50:56 GMT
This thread is worthless without pictures, normally you guy take pictures of everything, but this mod ?? NO PICTURES, did it ever happen ?? A strange response. I didn't (and still don't) have a camera handy but I posted a picture (reply78) taken from the makers website. It is pretty much the same as a picture I could take myself. It definately happened in my case and I definately heard a marked improvement to the sound. I am not being paid to say it... in fact I took up their offer of a 30 day trial and I paid them! Why is that strange ?? we got so many pictures of just about everything, but a mod that really is worth photografing, there is no pictures?? that is strange.. |
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Post by Chris53 on Nov 20, 2011 13:10:20 GMT
It's strange because there IS a picture at reply 78. Go take a look. There isn't much to see. It's all about the sound |
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Post by PinkFloyd on Nov 20, 2011 13:46:56 GMT
Claus.... you must have missed the annual MWM pics (Miracle wraps meet)........... |
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