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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2010 10:38:52 GMT
That's probably it Frans. I'll have a go with and without in any case. Tell you what, Alex had some STUNNING wavs that were awesome listening. If anything - they had some kind of characteristic that reminded me of a GOOD valve sound. Hopefully, he hadn't equalised them but it's quite amusing that a digital file can actually sound valve-like and many digital people really like it!! I tested the files with guys at work and they were knocked out by the quality - most often said phrase - Beautiful, valve like!!!! If they weren't so damned huge I'd go digital. They are truly stunning. Hi Ian I guarantee that the .wav files you heard had absolutely no equalising or trickery involved. As several members here can verify, this is what you can get when you use a quality CD/DVD or BR writer to rip a CD using EAC into solid state storage with a noise and vibration dampened PC. Well recorded CDs have all the information there on them, you just need to extract it properly.They sound every bit as good, actually better, than the best vinyl recording. At the moment I am getting VERY pissed off with the "experts"in DIYAudio who claim that a CD is alll that is necessary to get the best possible sound due to the limitations of human hearing. These Engineers claim that a CD sounds the same as a high resolution . wav file. Do they all have cloth ears, or use garbage playback equipment ? I have the normal CD of Fleetwood Mac -Rumours , and the DVD-A version with 24/96 resolution. Even these almost 72 year old buggered ears can hear marked differences between them. I also have "Carly Simon-No Secrets"CD, and the 24/192 DVD-A of the album. The difference is like chalk and cheese. The 24/192 tracks are absolutely stunning.Even though my DAC is downsampling these tracks to 24/96. The problem in many cases appears to be the use of network storage , and wireless networks for convenience. They are strangling the music ! If any member here has the Carly Simon album, and the means to properly play back the high resolution 24/192 tracks, I will happily upload your favourite track from this album for you to compare them. In fact, if you have suitable playback gear, I will happily upload both CD track and high res track that you like most from the album. Alex
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2010 10:46:49 GMT
It is a bit worrying that they can't hear it. I heard it from first phrase. I'll be putting them through Mr Panda too!! Feed it a really good signal and see what comes out the other end. I don't know what it is about people not open to listening. They obviously don't hear what you're hearing and then accuse you of telling porkies I suppose. The other thing is then the 'scientific test.' Then you feel under pressure and also, it can depend on exactly what you're listening to. Maybe it also helps if you know what to listen out for? To a lot of people, added depth means more bass, so they listen for more bass which isn't exactly the case. For me, the image was more focussed and the bass had more slam. It also could be played at life volume without turning nasty. It just scaled up. What I can't understand is why measurements aren't showing it. Also Alex, you'll be going up against a BBC recording soon!!! I'll compare that live concert and ask them what they think I've done. Mr Panda is going to get some serious burning in!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2010 10:56:37 GMT
It is a bit worrying that they can't hear it. I heard it from first phrase. I'll be putting them through Mr Panda too!! Feed it a really good signal and see what comes out the other end. I don't know what it is about people not open to listening. They obviously don't hear what you're hearing and then accuse you of telling porkies I suppose. The other thing is then the 'scientific test.' Then you feel under pressure and also, it can depend on exactly what you're listening to. Maybe it also helps if you know what to listen out for? To a lot of people, added depth means more bass, so they listen for more bass which isn't exactly the case. For me, the image was more focussed and the bass had more slam. It also could be played at life volume without turning nasty. It just scaled up. What I can't understand is why measurements aren't showing it. Also Alex, you'll be going up against a BBC recording soon!!! I'll compare that live concert and ask them what they think I've done. Mr Panda is going to get some serious burning in!!! Ian The .wav files you compared were normal CD tracks, not high resolution. The difference was in the way they were ripped, or when they were ripped. The digital 0s and 1s were identical in each comparison set. You would be absolutely blown away if you could properly play back the high resolution tracks that I mentioned. Do you want to compare 2 versions of "Do that to me one more time, -Jheena Lodwick", from Best Audiophile Voices 2 CD? Alex
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2010 10:59:42 GMT
Yet they sound different!!
Of course Alex. Always interested in good recordings!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2010 11:03:45 GMT
Yet they sound different!! Of course Alex. Always interested in good recordings!! Ian I will PM you the link. To these buggered ears, one version sounds more dynamic, and through my Class A HA, it sounds like she is almost having an orgasm ! Alex
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2010 11:10:28 GMT
Yet they sound different!! Of course Alex. Always interested in good recordings!! Ian I will PM you the link. To these buggered ears, one version sounds more dynamic, and through my Class A HA, it sounds like she is almost having an orgasm ! Alex I wouldn't know.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2010 12:09:35 GMT
Ian I will PM you the link. To these buggered ears, one version sounds more dynamic, and through my Class A HA, it sounds like she is almost having an orgasm ! Alex I wouldn't know. I assume we are talking about the same track... To me one sounds very good, a lot breathiness and expression, with well defined instruments BUT the other sounds like she is up close and personal, purring in your ears and the percussion sounds far more real.e.g. on the intro you have that lovely wooden "plock" sound that the other version doesn't quite deliver. (can't remember which number is which though ) Just to give a laugh, I didn't know the song or the artist before, so before I got home I listenend a few times off youtube for familiarity. The difference between that and when I first heard a downloaded version, was of course, casmatic!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2010 12:18:06 GMT
Hi Chris,
This one is more difficult because of the texture of the piece. I got it right thank goodness, but the thing is, if I'm doing it every time, it can't be coincidence. I can hear it.
I hate tests but I am actually getting them in these so there must be some difference.
I'm spotting the differences on shabby gear too. Computer via USB to a Move to a K701. Even on low def equipment I'm hearing differences, so it makes me wonder why the guys Alex is writing to on DIY Audio can't hear it - presumeably on superior equipment? You just have to listen very closely and just relax.
These files will now go through the Panda when it arrives!! That will probably make the differences much more apparent if I can spot it on a Move portable!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2010 12:25:33 GMT
I assume we are talking about the same track... To me one sounds very good, a lot breathiness and expression, with well defined instruments BUT the other sounds like she is up close and personal, purring in your ears and the percussion sounds far more real.e.g. on the intro you have that lovely wooden "plock" sound that the other version doesn't quite deliver. (can't remember which number is which though ) Just to give a laugh, I didn't know the song or the artist before, so before I got home I listenend a few times off youtube for familiarity. The difference between that and when I first heard a downloaded version, was of course, casmatic! Chris Shhh! Frans will send the guys in white coats around to visit you ! Alex
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2010 12:29:47 GMT
Come on Mike ........... Is the lid on? Is the DC off set correct? Is it sounding the same as yesterday? Does it work? I've installed the fan, the triple glazing and the plastic 'sealing' sheets over doors. Thunderbirds are go.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2010 13:04:33 GMT
Come on Mike ........... Is the lid on? Is the DC off set correct? Is it sounding the same as yesterday? Does it work? I've installed the fan, the triple glazing and the plastic 'sealing' sheets over doors. Thunderbirds are go..... If I was waiting for a new toy and watching it come together like you have, I'd also have a straight jacket by now As for the file differences, I agree there must be some sort of denial going on with those who say they can't hear it. I could tell but not focus on, even with the basic kit at work, when I played them at home it was quite easy to pick out what was going on to make the difference.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2010 13:12:39 GMT
It's got worse since it started to really show as a box. Then Mike went all fancy with the knob and wiring and I started to think, 'that can't be real, it's too good.' Then new rca's then new wire, then wired back to front and now I'm going to have to soak in a bath and calm down!!! Believe it or not, I'm currently enjoying a little Morph driving a K701!!! It's crazy - a portable driving them. It's ok - they're listenable as well. Mike is so meticulous with what he does and I know that a lot of care and attention has gone into that box.
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Post by clausdk on Oct 10, 2010 13:27:39 GMT
Where can i get a nice knob for my Panda ??
I also look for feets.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2010 13:28:11 GMT
I believe I have a real soft spot for my AKG280 with the HA INFO NG27, a great listen. I won't stand direct comparison against K701 with AK SCHA but then I haven't met anything that does yet! Of course I have limited exposure to headphone/amp gear compared to many peeps here
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2010 13:37:03 GMT
Where can i get a nice knob for my Panda ?? I also look for feets. Claus, the knob is down to your own taste, maybe an old style bakalite jobby with pointer? For feet I'd go for some wooden draw knobs!
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Post by clausdk on Oct 10, 2010 13:41:22 GMT
Where can i get a nice knob for my Panda ?? I also look for feets. Claus, the knob is down to your own taste, maybe an old style bakalite jobby with pointer? For feet I'd go for some wooden draw knobs! More in the line of where can I buy a nice knob ??
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2010 13:52:22 GMT
Look... this little Panda amp doesn't need a knob.. But wait... what's wrong with it... it doesn't work. Panda takes a look inside. Those .... batteries Non rechargeable .. hey on the inside it doesn't look like a real Panda. it needs a knob too. worthless piece of ...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2010 13:54:51 GMT
I remember those.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2010 13:55:34 GMT
the knob you mean ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2010 14:14:38 GMT
The little box with no volume knob. Fixed gain?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2010 14:27:19 GMT
Don't you hate it when a battery goes dead after you had put the amp away and accidentally left it on or switched it on unknowingly ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2010 14:30:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2010 14:36:16 GMT
more like 1 year.. the battery that is... the little Panda just put his nose in it. Waiting for your Panda is tiring isn't it ... agravating even.. Perhaps in a few days time you can play with your Panda's knob. Have to say.. the thread is drifting a bit
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2010 15:07:26 GMT
Aha .... the beauty of RG strikes again. That's why it's a nice place to be. You're actually allowed to talk and not just bore each other. (Unless you're bored!!) While we're waiting (Like waiting for a baby to be born), I got a seriously nice shock with an IBasso lighter amp. Seriously good amp. Shockingly so for such a daft little device. I'll write a review once I've calmed down. Very different to the Banzai collection and very natural. (Just thought I'd pop that in too!!) Watch this space when the Banzai II appears.......... Fully clothed with it's shiny gold knob ready for its 600 mile journey to meet a nutter in the south of UK. You see, when I see you guys making these things, you all don't realise that I see the talent in you as designers/makers whereas you, like me as a muso, tend to ignore your own talents. It's quite funny really. However, when you meet technical guys with a sense of humour who also speak English and not Techno, it's something not to be missed. You can actually have fun while arguing about amps etc. On another place that shan't be mentioned, you just get slapped in the face for showing human traces. That's why I stay here!! The baby's due on Wednesday as long as there are no complications. I don't want a Caesarean either. natural with no pain killer. Hang on, I'm getting contractions now. Every time I look at the scans that Mike put on the site, I get these contractions .....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2010 15:36:14 GMT
Here's a sneak preview of what to expect on Wednesday Ian...
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