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Post by elysion on Aug 26, 2010 2:06:35 GMT
Got today the Neco portable amp V2 with the 8610 dual amps and the powerful battery and yes it sounds amazing:D. Looking for a better and higher quality soundcard after replacment, because of the faulty behringer uca 202 soundcard.Sound is beautiful and smooth but produces crackling and popping and it goes back to germany fuhr thomann:). Hi uzminiu, I have three UCA222 (very similar to UCA202) and have no problems with them. My UCA222's are only used with OSX. AFAIK rainman uses his UCA222 with Windows XP. Have you tested the UCA202 with other computers or operating systems? In theory, a possibility for that crackling could be a problem with the device driver. Also note that the Neco Portable V2 will begin with crackling when the rechargeable battery has not enough power left for correct operation of the Neco amp. The lower the available power in the battery is, the more crackling you will get. This sort of crackling disappears instantly after a good recharge of the battery or if you are listening with the wallwart plugged-in. Of course, maybe you are right and your UCA202 is a faulty unit. Good you have a warranty. I really like a combo of HD650, Neco Portable V2 and UCA222 (+OSX). I've got great results. The forgiving nature of the nature of the HD650's is the reason why I don't hear any flaws of the UCA222. If I use the UCA222 with my K702's and a Neco Mosfet V2, then I miss some of the resolution that my FCA202 FireWire interface has. I don't hear as much difference with the HD650's. Christian
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Post by UzminiNu on Aug 26, 2010 3:50:01 GMT
Hi Elysion ill trie to install on my netbook the xp drivers if i find them:). The battery is mint a new already precharged powerex batery.they hold the juice for a year.Jusing the Neco amp already for 10 hours and the battery is running like the duracell rabbit. And yes:) the HD600/650/K701 will be the next headphones to get.My Headphoningitis is getting bigger ewery week...have some interest in retro headphones.Must resist...concentrate on the K701... Used previous @work the awfully big 27 inch iMac with OSX snow leopard...the main software i used was excel.It was terribly slow and glitchy one.So i had installed Windows XP on my big shiny desktop Apple computer to correct the poor experience:P. and yes i choosed the behringer uca202 because of the good references of yours uca222:D.first i was looking after the emu0404 but it was a too bulky option for my netbook.it has too much line ins and outs everywhere and it was a kostspieliges unterfangen.now i feel a little bit
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Post by UzminiNu on Aug 26, 2010 4:24:06 GMT
No the drivers didnot help, its sounds really like a faulty device, i think the next uca 202 will be OK.I really like this behringer device.
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Post by elysion on Aug 26, 2010 5:17:52 GMT
AFAIK rainman had also good results with XP, but he asked recently about where to find the custom Behringer drivers. You'll find those drivers at the bottom of this webpages: www.behringer.com/EN/Products/UCA222.aspxwww.behringer.com/EN/Products/UCA202.aspxI have only the UCA222, but based on the information I've found in the internet, the UCA222 should be equal to the UCA202 (beside the software bundle and the case colour). BTW: OSX slow on a recent iMac? I can't really believe this since we have Macs and PCs at work... maybe a problem with your configuration? There are a lot of tricks to squeeze out more speed of the OSX user interface by disabling some of the more useless graphic effects. You should try TinkerTool (free) or Cocktail (shareware) to modify those settings: www.maintain.se/cocktail/index.phpwww.bresink.com/osx/TinkerTool-de.htmlIt's also a good idea to disable all the bells and whistles you don't really need. The OSX Dashboard is a hot candidate. The Dashboard tools are mostly not very useful but they need CPU power all the time. You can disable the Dashboard with TinkerTool. Disabling the stripes in the list view is also a good idea. Disabling the Dashboard alone gives you an instant speed boost that should be noticeable. XP is a 10 years old operating system with a rather simple user interface. If you want to compare user interface speed, you should compare it with Vista or Win7 which use similar techniques for the user interface (not only 2D graphics operations as with the XP user interface). OSX, Vista and Win7 benefit greatly from a good GPU. XP uses almost only 2D graphics operations which is a lot less demanding for the (graphics) hardware.
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Post by UzminiNu on Aug 26, 2010 13:16:58 GMT
Yes i understand very well, simple the office packadges excel software was much slower searching data in the table rows only THIS bottlenecked.So the admin installed a remote XP on the companys server.So this cured the problems using Microsoft Office Excel. And in the end my portable Acer Aspire One 751 with WINXP is the better solution. Once again i say NECO'S portable amp is amazing i listened music till 6.00 morning and had couple of houers of sleep:D
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Post by elysion on Aug 26, 2010 16:19:36 GMT
Yes i understand very well, simple the office packadges excel software was much slower searching data in the table rows only THIS bottlenecked.So the admin installed a remote XP on the companys server.So this cured the problems using Microsoft Office Excel. And in the end my portable Acer Aspire One 751 with WINXP is the better solution. Once again i say NECO'S portable amp is amazing i listened music till 6.00 morning and had couple of houers of sleep:D Glad you like your Neco Portable (I like mine too...). If you really need M$ Office (I know, a lot of business user have no real choice), then OSX is really not optimal. The newest M$ Office for OSX is even slower than the former version (which was PowerPC only). The new intel version works SLOWER on a intel chip than the EMULATED old version... Probably I don't need to tell you how is responsible for this: M$ slows down it's own software on OSX (so they can tell that it runs "much faster" on Windows). If you don't need to consider compatibility, you could switch to OpenOffice (which isn't slowed down artificially and runs equally fast on all plattform as long as the hardware is comparable). I know that a lot if people need that full M$ Office compatibility.
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Post by UzminiNu on Aug 27, 2010 0:39:14 GMT
Dear Elysion this is not a microsoft or pple thread Both companys sucks really bad. I remember the first year of open office.I had a examina writing on this software in the colledge and its crushed whitout errors ;D Nothing is flawless
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2010 1:08:01 GMT
elysion That comment is not only anti Microsoft due to your own personal bias , but almost certainly untrue due to legal ramifications. Please refrain from such comments unless you have absolute water tight evidence of such illegal commercial behaviour on the part of Microsoft, THEN post in a suitable thread in the Computer area. Better still , provide such evidence to the U.S.A. regulators so that legal action can be commenced against Microsoft. SandyK
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Post by UzminiNu on Aug 27, 2010 1:40:06 GMT
Fact IS Office for OSX works really slower than for WINX Fact IS the hardware platform is identical both for OSX and WINX. They simply dont want that the software runs identical on both systems, because they are not related:D.And is it really a illegal commercial behavior? It is the same when a engine producer limits the performance of the motor for different vehicles. Then it is a illegal comercial behavior? Then mayby we should better sue AKG, Audio Tehnica, Bayerdynamic because they rip off us our money selling us their non in Austria,Germany,Wherewer produced and overpriced equipment? Right silly!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2010 2:16:01 GMT
Fact IS Office for OSX works really slower than for WINX Fact IS the hardware platform is identical both for OSX and WINX. They simply dont want that the software runs identical on both systems, because they are not related:D.And is it really a illegal commercial behavior? It is the same when a engine producer limits the performance of the motor for different vehicles. Then it is a illegal comercial behavior? Then mayby we should better sue AKG, Audio Tehnica, Bayerdynamic because they rip off us our money selling us their non in Austria,Germany,Wherewer produced and overpriced equipment? Right silly! PROOF that Microsoft has deliberately slowed down the sotware for OS s other than it's own ? Just because it runs slower on other OSs does NOT prove that it was a deliberate action on the part of Microsoft !!! The U.S. Authorities have already demonstrated that they are interested in pursuing anti competitive behaviour by Microsoft or other large corporations. A couple of members have already recently questioned the relevance of these types of posts in a Forum devoted mainly to Audio. SandyK.
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Post by UzminiNu on Aug 27, 2010 4:07:55 GMT
;D noo comments, i feel im speaking to a terminator from Microsoft... all this microsoft this apple that geblabber is only for a laugh good
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2010 4:14:34 GMT
;D noo comments, i feel im speaking to a terminator from Microsoft... all this microsoft this apple that geblabber is only for a laugh good uzmininu This kind of topic bores the average member shitless ! They just don't want to see endless discussions about which OS is best, and why they should use Linux or some other variety. SandyK
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Post by UzminiNu on Aug 27, 2010 4:42:47 GMT
Yeh Sandyk your right! And because Neco amps sound booth good on every OS is his product the better deal
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2010 4:52:41 GMT
Yeh Sandyk your right! And because Neco amps sound booth good on every OS is his product the better deal I havent heard any of those amplifiers, but I have no reason to doubt that they are both fine amplifiers, as the many positive posts indicate. Also , the majority of members are unlikely to be using them with a computer. SandyK
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Post by PinkFloyd on Aug 27, 2010 12:50:57 GMT
This kind of topic bores the average member shitless ! I'm quite enjoying it..... then again, I haven't ever been described as "average" so what do I know?
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Post by elysion on Aug 27, 2010 17:26:56 GMT
Dear Elysion this is not a microsoft or pple thread Both companys sucks really bad. I remember the first year of open office.I had a examina writing on this software in the colledge and its crushed whitout errors ;D Nothing is flawless uzmininu, I first have to clarify that I wasn't my intention to start a Win/Mac pro/cons discussion. I have only written down a couple of thoughs that I had when I wrote the post. We have already a lot of Win/Mac threads on the forum (mostly NOT started by me) that got already a bit "hot" (I hope you know what I mean). I had recently a discussion with Alex and a few other and the thread also got rather controversial. You are totally right that nothing is flawless. All my computers (Macs and PCs) are not flawless and there's also no OS without flaws. I could also tell of a lot of things that I don't like with OSX (there are quite a few). Of course, I'm on the Mac side, but that's simply because it is the lesser evil for me. It's far from being perfect. The open-source stuff is great, but it really depends on what it is... a lot of projects are still in a very early phase (while others can mess with the best commercial software). Alex, the speed problem with Office for (intel-)OSX is well known. The predecessor (which is PowerPC binary code and need to be translated to the intel architecture) runs faster in emulation on the intel-Macs. The IT business is full of such dirty tricks (Apple is no exception). I'll stop talking about computers in this thread. Not because I don't like (good) discussions like here, but I think uzmininu is right: It's not a Mac/Win thread. We have already a lot of Mac/Win thread there. It's a better idea to continue the discussion there if needed. Oh... and all that because we talked about the UCA202/222 and the Neco Portable... uzmininu: I'd really appreciate if you'd post your findings with the UCA202 in the UCA222 thread. The thread is still lacking thorough information about the use of UCA202/UCA222 with Windows (XP/Vista/Win7). Maybe you can also prove that the hardware of the UCA202/UCA222 is the same (beside the case colour). Opening the case should be easy and shouldn't be a problem for warranty as there is no seal that can be broken. Maybe I should test the UCA222 finally also with a Linux (Ubuntu) box. Then we would have a better oversight what those cheap USB audio interfaces are really worth.
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Post by UzminiNu on Sept 1, 2010 21:40:43 GMT
Additional high capacity battery for the portable is excellent.It is worth the additional 7 pounds.Was driving for 5 days over 12 hours (somedays 20 hours:) and was listening a day whitout a hiss.2 kind of headphones 300Ohm and 62 Ohm...as the battery was very low to empty mark the sound was quite and whit hisses and sparks.I think thats normal.Simply it had not enough power in the end for tonight. Ataching to the heavy charger:).I will try to look how many hours are possible to listen with one charge. ------------------------------------------------- In the end i got 41 hours of listening with the additional battery. 27hours a 300ohm headphone 14hours 62ohm headphone
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Post by elysion on Sept 1, 2010 23:38:22 GMT
The 300mAh battery is really great. Almost no reason to recharge anymore.
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Post by fullhd1080 on Sept 2, 2010 8:20:18 GMT
hi! i would like to replace the opamp ad8160 x2 with another better for Alessandro MS-1. what do you think of these: OPA627/637 or ad843 Thanks for the help!
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Post by UzminiNu on Sept 3, 2010 1:33:21 GMT
I read in the posts that there is a reason why there are 2xad8160's...they are simply more suitable for a battery powered cmoy type amplifier for better sound.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2010 17:23:28 GMT
The 8610 is a fast operator although it can be a bit toppy. It was used by Norman in his old Go Vibes. I think Neco and a pal tested the other op amp it comes with and added the option of the 8610 later after hearing it in comparison to the slightly warmer one of old.
I like the 8610 actually. Especially if you have headphones that tend towards laziness at the top.
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Post by Seamus on Dec 15, 2010 16:03:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2010 17:10:53 GMT
the graphs speak to me..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2010 19:16:20 GMT
What do they say oh Master? ;D Is it good? Will is pleaseth us? Is it worth the dosh?
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Post by elysion on Dec 15, 2010 21:44:47 GMT
Looks like a new real improvement to the Portable V2. Perhaps more an addition than an improvement to the Portable V2. I think both designs are interesting. If this amp is really as good as it looks, then it could end on my wish list for 2011. Maybe the Mosfet amp will be also improved (again). I have two Mosfet V2's. The difference to the V2.1 isn't that big (a few better components and some details are improved, but basically it was still the same amp). I'm curious what effect different opamps would have with the Neco's (other opamps that the OPA134 and AD8160). Israel has tried the OPA627 in his Mosfet V2.1 and he thinks that it sound better than the AD8160 (used with K701).
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