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Post by Seamus on Mar 23, 2010 22:30:05 GMT
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Post by PinkFloyd on Mar 25, 2010 22:36:02 GMT
Seamus, £60 shipped is a SUPERB price for this amp and well worth EVERY penny.... I just modded one this afternoon ( see latest post) I had forgotten JUST how nice these amps sound and you certainly won't get better for £60!! Don't be afraid to hit that "buy now" button, the V-CAN is very "silent" on the forums but I can assure you that it is one very capable amp with the typical MF house sound.... I'm most surprised that there isn't a big following for this amp but, now it's down to £60, it may start gaining popularity (I have ordered another one for myself at that price) even at £100 it was still incredible VFM. Mike.  |
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Post by PinkFloyd on Mar 25, 2010 23:02:02 GMT
By the way...... it worked out at £69 for me (from Superfi) as I live in the Highlands and Islands and they charge a £10 surcharge.... (they use a courier to deliver)
Audio affair post by Royal Mail recorded delivery so their £69 shipped doesn't carry a surcharge as Royal Mail deliver to all of the UK....
Just thought I'd mention this! If you live in Northern Ireland or "islands" then go with Audio Affair as I think Superfi are charging £20 extra to ship to these areas.
I DETEST these "couriers".... if Royal mail can get a package up to me next day "surcharge free" then why can't the couriers?.... a damned rip off and no reason to use these couriers.... RM covers the WHOLE of the UK (islands and Highlands) and charges the same price for all ......
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Post by PinkFloyd on Mar 25, 2010 23:46:00 GMT
Let me go one further..... if you're into solid state, as opposed to glowing bottles, the V-CAN cannot be ignored IMO. It measures up "superbly" has an output impedance of less than 5 ohms and, with a couple of minor tweaks, sounds better than some £500 home grown amps. details here: www.musicalfidelity.com/products/V-Series/V-CAN/V-CAN.aspIt's from Musical Fidelity, one of the most highly respected UK manufacturers, it has a good SOLID 2 year warranty and sounds superb..... I think the "appearance" may have put a few people off but just take a look under the hood (where it matters)..... that's one seriously nice engine and @ £60 a bargain whatever way you look at it! Maybe it's TOO cheap.... that can also put people off.... if they'd pitched it at £175 I think it would have sold a lot more.... trust me, it's a quality / versatile amp and you will be most impressed when you have a listen  Not a design icon like the original X-CANS but it offers "performance in a tin" ..... if you can live with the "appearance" of the V-CAN then you will, sure as hell, be able to live with the sound... it's surprisingly good  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2010 23:51:11 GMT
Let me go one further..... if you're into solid state, as opposed to glowing bottles, the V-CAN cannot be ignored IMO. It measures up "superbly" has an output impedance of less than 5 ohms and, with a couple of minor tweaks, sounds better than some £500 home grown amps. details here: www.musicalfidelity.com/products/V-Series/V-CAN/V-CAN.aspIt's from Musical Fidelity, one of the most highly respected UK manufacturers, it has a good SOLID 2 year warranty and sounds superb..... I think the "appearance" may have put a few people off but just take a look under the hood (where it matters)..... that's one seriously nice engine and @ £60 a bargain whatever way you look at it! Maybe it's TOO cheap.... that can also put people off.... if they'd pitched it at £175 I think it would have sold a lot more.... trust me, it's a quality / versatile amp and you will be most impressed when you have a listen Not a design icon like the original X-CANS but it offers "performance in a tin" ..... if you can live with the "appearance" of the V-CAN then you will, sure as hell, be able to live with the sound... it's surprisingly good Mike Yes, it is great value . Do you have a schematic ?  Alex |
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Post by Seamus on Mar 26, 2010 13:01:49 GMT
I went ahead and bought one. I think you're right about the appearance holding it back Mike, it's up against the shinier boxes of pro-ject and creek, and a lot of people buy with their eyes not their ears ;D
Replacing the stock power supply is the first step. From the pictures I think it's a 1.3mm tip, is it?
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Post by PinkFloyd on Mar 26, 2010 13:24:48 GMT
I went ahead and bought one. I think you're right about the appearance holding it back Mike, it's up against the shinier boxes of pro-ject and creek, and a lot of people buy with their eyes not their ears ;D Replacing the stock power supply is the first step. From the pictures I think it's a 1.3mm tip, is it? Yes, it's a 1.3mm tip  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2010 22:02:38 GMT
Mike,
Unmodded, does it have the volume pot problem of poor balance at low volume? I hear that it suddenly comes on loud pretty low down on the scale so you can't use the full travel of the volume knob
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2010 22:39:33 GMT
Mike, Unmodded, does it have the volume pot problem of poor balance at low volume? I hear that it suddenly comes on loud pretty low down on the scale so you can't use the full travel of the volume knob Ian Also does it have a similar SQ to the V3, even though its not a valve Amp, if so i might give it a go  |
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Post by PinkFloyd on Mar 26, 2010 22:39:56 GMT
Mike, Unmodded, does it have the volume pot problem of poor balance at low volume? I hear that it suddenly comes on loud pretty low down on the scale so you can't use the full travel of the volume knob Ian Hi Ian, Yes... it's pretty "immediate" but EASILY cured by the addition of a couple of resistors..... NOTHING as "immediate" as the Bravo / Indeed but "immediate" compared to usual MF volco settings. This amp is also DEADLY silent across the range of the pot (with no signal applied).... it is "technically" perfect and has "REAL" specs that even Frans would be proud of www.musicalfidelity.com/products/V-Series/V-CAN/vcan_manual_1.pdfSignal to noise ratio: >109db "A" weighted Freq response: 20Hz - 80 kHz 0.005% distortion (20Hz - 20 Khz) Sooooo...... pretty much Frans proof in that respect I haven't "raved" about it because I wanted to see if it found it's own feet in the market...... A "few" owners have been raving about it to me in private but it hasn't attracted a "mass" following...... Just look at the engine, you don't need ME to tell you that the V-CAN is one VERY capable little device |
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Post by PinkFloyd on Mar 26, 2010 23:20:19 GMT
Mike, Unmodded, does it have the volume pot problem of poor balance at low volume? I hear that it suddenly comes on loud pretty low down on the scale so you can't use the full travel of the volume knob Ian Also does it have a similar SQ to the V3, even though its not a valve Amp, if so i might give it a go Mick, I would pitch the V-CAN between the V2 and the V8 in terms of sonic signature. It has the "intimacy" of the V2 but also the BALLS of the V8 (of course I am talking "modded" V-CAN here as I don't have a stock V-CAN available to compare with until the Super-Fi one arrives shortly)..... It is pretty neutral but "neutral" not in the traditional sense..... there is PLENTY of DEEP bass, Mids are jam packed with detail and highs are vibrant and energetic..... each frequency compliments each other and one doesn't dominate another.... so "neutral" in respect to "well balanced". It's NOT an X-CAN but does have that lovely "MF" house sound.... most of their designs are evolution rather than revolution (apart from the enclosures which these days have become revolting) and you will be sure to find similarities in the circuits between all of their X-Series / V-series. The major difference between the original £129 X-CANS and the V-CAN is "no valves"...... this helps the "specifications" and "measurements" .... I could waffle on all night but it won't help you reach that decision "should I buy one?".... only your ears can tell you if it suits you and, if you have £59 going spare, it's well worth a punt IMO Things that piss me off about the V-CAN? all that "text" on top of it..... WHAT were they thinking of when they came up with that bright idea? "I know, let's make it look as pug ugly as possible, with graphics to match" ;D They THEN go one step further and position the blue "on" indicator LED at the BACK of the amp where you will never see it..... WTF is that all about?  I'm not used to craning my neck around the backside of amps to see if they are glowing / indicating "on"...... The FRONT of the amp is where the indicator should reside unless you position your amp arse over tit side up View from the front:  And a real shitty view of the rear (with "on" indicator glowing where you can't see it)  Anyways..... my bedtime now...... But, before I go, £59 is WELL worth the entry fee for a slice of British Headphone amp history.... it may not be the "prettiest" slice of cake but it is still very tasty |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2010 23:47:08 GMT
COST CUTTING, pure and simple ! |
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Post by PinkFloyd on Mar 26, 2010 23:56:12 GMT
COST CUTTING, pure and simple ! Lovely circuit IF populated with good parts though I bet the designer would have loved a "no price too much" build "Cost" and "paring parts down the bone" is always the designers worst nightmare.... I'd like to see just what MF could do with a V-CAN if cost was not an issue |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2010 0:13:41 GMT
COST CUTTING, pure and simple ! Lovely circuit IF populated with good parts though I bet the designer would have loved a "no price too much" build "Cost" and "paring parts down the bone" is always the designers worst nightmare.... I'd like to see just what MF could do with a V-CAN if cost was not an issue Mike Obviously the bean counters even nobbled the X-DAC V3. The rest of the design is very well done, especially around the DAC and oscillator areas, but no designer worth his salt would willingly forgo voltage regulators for the analogue section when using a wall wart !  . Alex |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2010 9:10:32 GMT
Mike, Unmodded, does it have the volume pot problem of poor balance at low volume? I hear that it suddenly comes on loud pretty low down on the scale so you can't use the full travel of the volume knob Ian Hi Ian, Yes... it's pretty "immediate" but EASILY cured by the addition of a couple of resistors..... NOTHING as "immediate" as the Bravo / Indeed but "immediate" compared to usual MF volco settings. This amp is also DEADLY silent across the range of the pot (with no signal applied).... it is "technically" perfect and has "REAL" specs that even Frans would be proud of www.musicalfidelity.com/products/V-Series/V-CAN/vcan_manual_1.pdfSignal to noise ratio: >109db "A" weighted Freq response: 20Hz - 80 kHz 0.005% distortion (20Hz - 20 Khz) Sooooo...... pretty much Frans proof in that respect I haven't "raved" about it because I wanted to see if it found it's own feet in the market...... A "few" owners have been raving about it to me in private but it hasn't attracted a "mass" following...... Just look at the engine, you don't need ME to tell you that the V-CAN is one VERY capable little device Thanks Mike, You certainly know what we are looking for in our questions don't you? You are a very intuitive guy Mike and answered exactly what i was getting at. Thanks for that. I've got one on the way. Been curious about it for a long time and those arses at What Hi Fi put me off if I'm honest. What is it about the Hi Fi press that puts my back up. (The last Hi Fi World one on headphones was poor too!!!) As always, really grateful for your advice. Ian |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2010 9:35:31 GMT
Also does it have a similar SQ to the V3, even though its not a valve Amp, if so i might give it a go Mick, I would pitch the V-CAN between the V2 and the V8 in terms of sonic signature. It has the "intimacy" of the V2 but also the BALLS of the V8 (of course I am talking "modded" V-CAN here as I don't have a stock V-CAN available to compare with until the Super-Fi one arrives shortly)..... It is pretty neutral but "neutral" not in the traditional sense..... there is PLENTY of DEEP bass, Mids are jam packed with detail and highs are vibrant and energetic..... each frequency compliments each other and one doesn't dominate another.... so "neutral" in respect to "well balanced". It's NOT an X-CAN but does have that lovely "MF" house sound.... most of their designs are evolution rather than revolution (apart from the enclosures which these days have become revolting) and you will be sure to find similarities in the circuits between all of their X-Series / V-series. The major difference between the original £129 X-CANS and the V-CAN is "no valves"...... this helps the "specifications" and "measurements" .... I could waffle on all night but it won't help you reach that decision "should I buy one?".... only your ears can tell you if it suits you and, if you have £59 going spare, it's well worth a punt IMO Things that piss me off about the V-CAN? all that "text" on top of it..... WHAT were they thinking of when they came up with that bright idea? "I know, let's make it look as pug ugly as possible, with graphics to match" ;D They THEN go one step further and position the blue "on" indicator LED at the BACK of the amp where you will never see it..... WTF is that all about? I'm not used to craning my neck around the backside of amps to see if they are glowing / indicating "on"...... The FRONT of the amp is where the indicator should reside unless you position your amp arse over tit side up View from the front: And a real shitty view of the rear (with "on" indicator glowing where you can't see it) Anyways..... my bedtime now...... But, before I go, £59 is WELL worth the entry fee for a slice of British Headphone amp history.... it may not be the "prettiest" slice of cake but it is still very tasty Thanks Mike, very informative, just ordered mine, will give it a go. PS.Dare say upgrade kit and Pinkie will be required, when i have saved some pennies. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2010 17:05:59 GMT
Had mine for a day now.
An absolute bargain. What on earth is wrong with What Hi Fi? There's nothing wrong with the V-Can. Nice, mellow amp. It's not exactly what you expect from an SS amp. It's warmer sounding than I expected and has a nice clean sound overall. Not quite as deep as the V2 but it may well need some hotting up.
I can see why the light is on the back. No on/off switch so a blue light could be annoying on the front. The box has loads of white crap written all over it. I'd prefer just a black box if I'm honest.
It's smaller than I thought. Love two outputs - one for normal jack plug and another for mini jack plug. Really good idea. No adapters necessary.
The volume isn't as immediate as I thought it would be. It's further up than I was led to believe by W. Hi Fi review which was the main reason I avoided it before.
It does have an MF warmth to its sound. Again, another good communicator. The volume pot may be a problem with sensitive headphones (portable types via that little socket) because the volume may suddenly jump in but not a problem at all with Senn 600/650 or AKG 701.
This is definitely worth the money that Superfi are asking. It'll get used a lot here!!
Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Apr 1, 2010 19:26:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2010 21:17:05 GMT
Jeez, you've been busy Mike!!
Didn't realise you got another one. Great deal. I told them about this place too since they ask on the site how you got there.
It retains the clarity of the X-Cans but I think the stock version is a clean, middle of the road type of sound. It's nothing like what I read in the What Hi Fi review way back.
They seemed to not like it at all, but I find it very good and surprisingly un - solid state sounding. Not clinical.
Must be the snow up there making you work hard. Saw the news today and it looks terrible.
Having never heard a stock V2, it could be the same with them too! (More middle of the road sound until you 'beef them up)
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Post by PinkFloyd on Apr 1, 2010 21:55:06 GMT
Jeez, you've been busy Mike!! Didn't realise you got another one. Great deal. I told them about this place too since they ask on the site how you got there. It retains the clarity of the X-Cans but I think the stock version is a clean, middle of the road type of sound. It's nothing like what I read in the What Hi Fi review way back. They seemed to not like it at all, but I find it very good and surprisingly un - solid state sounding. Not clinical. Must be the snow up there making you work hard. Saw the news today and it looks terrible. Having never heard a stock V2, it could be the same with them too! (More middle of the road sound until you 'beef them up) Ian Ian....... What you see above takes me under one hour to achieve (the soldering)..... what takes the "time" to get to this stage (knowing what sounds good where) takes the time...... hours and hours spent experimenting with different components / values and hours and hours "listening" to the results. The actual "populating" of the board takes me minutes rather than hours..... for example, mounting that Burr Brown OPA4134 on the Wimslow adaptor takes me about 5 minutes in total.... even though I can hardly see these days I have adapted my technique over the years to ensure my "speed" has remained constant whilst the quality of soldering has improved.... Sooooooo.... I haven't been busy at all, as far as soldering the parts into position is concerned, but I have spent almost a "year" listening to the tweaks I have come up with cross referencing between several V-CAN's..... that's what takes the time I have sent my "reference" modded V-CAN over to Kei in Japan and am awaiting his feedback before I go any further with this amp..... the mods I have shown in this thread are, IMO, the best yet (the OSCONS are Orgasmic organic sounding)..... next up are my "extra capacitance" mods, I have high hopes for them.... In the meantime..... I'm happy to send you the OSCON modded V-CAN so you can compare it to your stock V-CAN.... if you're "up for it" I will send after the Easter holiday. Mike. |
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Post by PinkFloyd on Apr 1, 2010 22:09:51 GMT
It's nothing like what I read in the What Hi Fi review way back. Nothing is Ian..... What Hi-Fi has gone to the dogs.... I wouldn't trust ANY of their recommendations these days..... their "reviewers" are clearly DEAF. Mike. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2010 8:19:50 GMT
Jeez, you've been busy Mike!! Didn't realise you got another one. Great deal. I told them about this place too since they ask on the site how you got there. It retains the clarity of the X-Cans but I think the stock version is a clean, middle of the road type of sound. It's nothing like what I read in the What Hi Fi review way back. They seemed to not like it at all, but I find it very good and surprisingly un - solid state sounding. Not clinical. Must be the snow up there making you work hard. Saw the news today and it looks terrible. Having never heard a stock V2, it could be the same with them too! (More middle of the road sound until you 'beef them up) Ian Ian....... What you see above takes me under one hour to achieve (the soldering)..... what takes the "time" to get to this stage (knowing what sounds good where) takes the time...... hours and hours spent experimenting with different components / values and hours and hours "listening" to the results. In the meantime..... I'm happy to send you the OSCON modded V-CAN so you can compare it to your stock V-CAN.... if you're "up for it" I will send after the Easter holiday. Mike. Mike, Who's Kei? I agree entirely about the experience thing. Goes with a lot of jobs. It takes me ages to really listen/compare rather than just give an initial impression, but that initial feeling can be wrong if you're not careful. One headphone that I'm careful about if I'm honest is the HD600. I often go off to other stuff and after an extended period, go back just to make sure the new stuff is, in fact an improvement. Unfortunatelly, it's often the case that I was wrong!! The HD600 brings me back to earth with a bump and I realise that actually, the 600 is not bad at all. I use that particular headphone as a reference for others if I'm honest. It's easy to focus on what you perceive as the 'obvious' characteristic at first (whether that's good or bad) and then make a judgement. That's why I try to rest with something for an extended period because other things emerge with time. The experience and time that you have put into these things is worth a fortune. (Especially for the companies making the things) I would be absolutely prepared to pay much more for a V2 than it was originally, if it came out sounding the way mine does. That has been an absolute revelation to me if I'm honest in terms of what the original amp cost when it came out and how this one now stocks up against much more expensive things. It really kicks ass!! Also Mike, I think your hearing and tastes are pretty similar to mine so we are both hearing that 'communication' that I find more important than electronics so that you really connect with the music. It is also quite funny that we tend to listen to the same types of music too!! I would love to know how to change electronics to make something better the way you're able to, but I can only do two things: bum around listen/play music. I was shite at school and as I get older, I get to feel of less worth because you start to realise and recognise your own limitations and so I just stick to what I can do which has (to me) little value. When I listen via the V2, I lose site of the fact that I'm listening on headphones because its sound is SO speaker like. The sound doesn't seem to be coming from the headphones. The V-Can shows similar characteristics (I think) but it doesn't have the kick butt sound of the V2 but it is mellow and gives 'air' to the sound which is a really nice quality in a headphone amp. However, once again, the cost of this little amp is low and if it has the potential to touch the V2, then it is outstanding value. I suspect that MF would put it out at a helluva price if it did in fact ship sounding lke my V2. (If they use sound as a guide for pricing) The ability of MF amps to convey 'musicality' is really puzzling to me as well, because I don't know what it is in the sound that gives it out. It's almost like there is something monitoring the music for you and when say, a big bass comes in, someone pushes it in really focussed so it has more impact and yet, if it's not needed it's absolutely absent. I've only ever heard that effect with silly price equipment. If the V-Can is capable of anything like that, then it's an absolute bargain imo. The guys who think I hear things because I know they've been modded are wrong. I compare/blind test and take stuff into guys at work with massive experience who also listen. MF should be paying you for development Mike. They'd have killer amps if they did!!  I would LOVE to hear what you've done with it Mike. These amps are great. Ian |
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Post by PinkFloyd on Apr 2, 2010 20:53:45 GMT
Ian, I have hit the jackpot with the V-CAN! My idea of "more" capacitance has paid off big time Further to yesterday's "OSCON / 2134" mods I have today fitted out my second "stock" V-CAN with a totally different kettle of fish. Here is a pic of yesterday's OSCON /2134 modded V-CAN alongside the other stock V-CAN which I was working on today:  John Sampson (Chief Musical Fidelity service engineer) once told me that it wasnt the "quality" of the capacitance inside a V2 but the "amount" that made all the difference with "more" equating to better, if he'd had his way there would have been 33,000 uF inside a V2 instead of the stock 10,000uF.... "cost cutting" and the "compact size" of the enclosure dictated that this would never be.... the V3 went on to address this and carried over 22,000uF on board.... Anyways, and I digress, The V-CAN is very much a "budget" design with as much crammed in as the manufacturing budget can afford (the circuit itself is EXTREMELY good though!).... it does what it does quite well but just "what" can it do with some better quality / higher rated caps? Well.... I think I have answered that question. A few well selected / employed components TOTALLY transforms the V-CAN from "OK" to "absolutely stunning". You mentioned the modded V2, let me assure you this is in a different league, sonically, than the V2.... Bass? The bass on what I call the "X-CAP V-CAN" (X-CAP standing for "extra capacitance") is absolutely astounding.The soundstage has been transformed from "in your head" to "totally out of your head", the sheer scale of the event has gone from jazz club to arena, the weight has gone from bantam to heavyweight, the detail has gone from reading with a magnifying glass to 20/20 vision, the drive has gone from 1,000cc to V8.... it is quite simply stunning. I will say no more and will let the music do the talking. I will send you my X-CAP version of the V-CAN next Tuesday (after the holidays) to compare against your stock V-CAN and I would like your honest opinion.... if you think it's crap then please say so.... I know what I think which is why I am so confident you will cream your pants when you hear this. OK, for V-CAN owners who would like to know what the X-CAP mods consist of here goes..... It's not "all" about capacitance by the way. First off, let's get the case grounding optimal.... the ground tag fits between the rear plate and the enclosure.... the enclosure is coated with a thick layer of paint... where the ground tag meets the enclosure, scrape the paint off:  It may "seem" like a minor point but, trust me, nothing is minor when it comes to extracting the best performance from an amp.... every little bit helps the overall picture. Next up.... the capacitors..... replace the 2 x 1000uF at the DC input with 16V / 2200uF types. Replace the 100uF which sits next to the opamp with an 1800uF type (2200uF / 16V will also do the trick nicely.... I didn't think to do that and will fit a 2200uF / 16V in that position tomorrow) The rest of the 100uF caps, replace with 470uF / 16V types.... if you don't mind "funky angling" then you can fit 1000uF / 16V instead. I have used 1000uF / 35V Panasonic NHG for the output caps (sound better than FM / FC in this position) The 2 x 4.7uF caps, replace them with 16V / 10uF types. For the 2200uF and 470uF caps I have used SAMWHA VA series (135C rated, they will last forever and sound very good into the bargain) For the 10uF caps I have used Sanyo OSCON types. To adjust the gain it's a simple case of removing R8 and 108 and replacing with a 5K resitor. You will also need to remove the 100pF ceramic cap from C8 and C108 and replace with a 220pF type (I chose to use a WIMA polyproplylene film cap) C2 and C102 can be removed (just jumper over the pads) if there is no DC present on your source output.... this, again, brings about a noticeable improvement. The diode next to the DC input (D1) is a reverse polarity protection diode... as long as you are certain you will always use a centre tip positive supply you can remove this and jumper over with a wire link.... I choose to fit a radial ferrite inductor as I'm a belt and braces type person and actually "believe they help keep out nasties even though the "measurement brigade" claim they do nothing.... one thing's for sure, a ferrite inductor in this position certainly will do no harm. Finally, to the "engine". I have chosen the Burr Brown OPA4134 as A: it is generally available, B: it is reasonably priced, C: It requires no further optimisation in this circuit and D: It sounds absolutely SUBLIME in this application. I have tried several quad opamps in the V-CAN and the Burr Brown OPA4134 is, by far, the best allrounder to "my" ears..... of course, you can experiment with alternative opamps but the OPA4134 is a hard one to better in "this" application. That's about it..... another "little" thing you can do is to suck off all the unleaded solder and replace with good quality 60/40 solder. I have only bothered replacing the solder on the caps, Phono sockets and headphone sockets but, if you have the time, it's well worth replacing ALL the joints with good old fashioned unleaded solder.... no doubt about it, it sounds better than the unleaded crap (it's all down to chemical composition and I am NOT going there in this thread! Just believe me that "leaded" solder sounds better ) OK.... enough of me waffling on, I will send the X-CAP V-CAN around the Rock Grotto circuit so other "ears" can have a listen. First up is IanCraig, it will be with you next week Ian, please let me know via PM if you would like a listen. Mike. A few pics of the X-CAP V-CAN:              |
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Post by clausdk on Apr 2, 2010 21:15:52 GMT
Does it still fit the enclosure ??
With all those towers standing there
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