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Post by elysion on May 23, 2011 19:31:00 GMT
The HF in the HD560 OvII's is almost totally gone. "Almost" means that not all HF is gone. It's MUCH better now though.
I hope additional experiments with damping materials will kill the remaining HF.
The HD560 OvII's are useable for me know. They are not the kind of 'phones I'd wear during a whole weekend (prefer HD650/K702 for this purpose), but I don't put them away after half an hour because of the pain in my ears. I guess I'd survive an evening without problems and pain in the ears. Can't comment after longer sessions with the HD560 OvII's so far.
The soundstage was very compressed with the stock HD560 OvII's. The greater distance between ears and drivers when using AKG pads is very beneficial here. The soundstage has noticeable increased. Bass is pure fun, but midrange is more dominant. Still a bit too much treble IMO.
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Post by elysion on May 24, 2011 1:22:44 GMT
Now I know something more: The HF problem of the HD560 OvII's has a relation to the loudness. HF is no problem at low volume, almost not noticeable at moderate volume, but still a problem at higher volumes. Still very usable at the moment. They sound great a low to moderat volumes. Sometimes you just need the extra oomph and it could be unpleasant here.
I think the damping could be optimized to be within the normal loudness range you are listing. Since I put the K240 velours pads on it, it's a totally different headphone now. They wouldn't be the only headphones which sound only really good at certain volume levels.
I'll try more/other damping materials soon.
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Post by johnwillett on Jun 29, 2011 13:37:03 GMT
Any of you know which Sennheiser headphones are supposed to replace HD 250 II linear? HD-280 Pro? HD-380 Pro? There is no replacement at all for the HD 250 I helped to develop the HD 250 back in 1986 when I used to work for Sennheiser UK. The original HD 250 was replaced by the HD 250 II, which many thought was not quite as good as the original. It was discontinued and replaced by the HD 265 which was even worse (certainly for professional use) so Sennheiser bought the HD 250 II back again and it remained in production until about 2006 I think. There is no Sennheiser closed headphones currently available that I would use over the HD 250. I am just praying that they use the technology of the HD 800 and bring out a top class pair of headphones with the ring driver technology. Until then I am sticking with My HD 250 and HD 25-1 (both Mk.I versions).
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Post by elysion on Jun 29, 2011 18:13:00 GMT
Any of you know which Sennheiser headphones are supposed to replace HD 250 II linear? HD-280 Pro? HD-380 Pro? There is no replacement at all for the HD 250 I helped to develop the HD 250 back in 1986 when I used to work for Sennheiser UK. The original HD 250 was replaced by the HD 250 II, which many thought was not quite as good as the original. It was discontinued and replaced by the HD 265 which was even worse (certainly for professional use) so Sennheiser bought the HD 250 II back again and it remained in production until about 2006 I think. There is no Sennheiser closed headphones currently available that I would use over the HD 250. I am just praying that they use the technology of the HD 800 and bring out a top class pair of headphones with the ring driver technology. Until then I am sticking with My HD 250 and HD 25-1 (both Mk.I versions). A very interesting post. I don't have a HD250, but I'd like to hear one somewhen. I have a HD25-1/II though – and I like it. Welcome on the forum John!
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Post by colinb on Jul 9, 2011 21:06:52 GMT
I personally don't like the HD250 MK1s I've had (I've heard 4 different pairs). They were much less dynamic sounding than a decent sounding HD250II and too bright. And the bass was nothing like as good, - just not in the same league at all. Another guy in this thread bought a pair of MK1s and was not impressed either. His impressions were similar to mine. Like I've said many times before, my experience with the HD250 II (I've heard around 15 pairs) is that the sound always varies from example to example. I have never heard two pairs that sound exactly the same. Some sound quite poor IMO and others excellent, with variations in between. So buying a used pair is a bit of a lottery. Mike experienced this as well, - the one he bought from Russia sounded terrible compared to his other pair. The difference is down to the drivers, as both I and Mike investigated this thoroughly by looking inside the headphone and exchanging parts etc. I am not sure in what way but there must have been manufacturing variations with the drivers, - perhaps tension and other factors. I suppose the same thing might be the case with MK1s, - perhaps you had a "good" sounding pair/pairs?! When you say: "I am just praying that they use the technology of the HD 800 and bring out a top class pair of headphones with the ring driver technology." I assume you mean closed headphones?, - I couldn't agree more. When/if that headphone gets made I will be queuing up to buy it. Just hope they tighten up the production standards and get some consistency. I've heard too that the HD800 can vary quite a bit from sample to sample as well! I would not want a overly "bright" sounding one! I've never heard a HD265 funnily enough. I have no doubt its nothing like as good as the HD250 II but I would be interested in hearing one to see what it sound like. I gather it used the same 150 ohms drivers as the HD565 in a closed back shell. Cheers, Colin Any of you know which Sennheiser headphones are supposed to replace HD 250 II linear? HD-280 Pro? HD-380 Pro? There is no replacement at all for the HD 250 I helped to develop the HD 250 back in 1986 when I used to work for Sennheiser UK. The original HD 250 was replaced by the HD 250 II, which many thought was not quite as good as the original. It was discontinued and replaced by the HD 265 which was even worse (certainly for professional use) so Sennheiser bought the HD 250 II back again and it remained in production until about 2006 I think. There is no Sennheiser closed headphones currently available that I would use over the HD 250. I am just praying that they use the technology of the HD 800 and bring out a top class pair of headphones with the ring driver technology. Until then I am sticking with My HD 250 and HD 25-1 (both Mk.I versions).
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Post by johnwillett on Jul 12, 2011 10:48:06 GMT
When you say: "I am just praying that they use the technology of the HD 800 and bring out a top class pair of headphones with the ring driver technology."; I assume you mean closed headphones?, Yes Just hope they tighten up the production standards and get some consistency. I've heard too that the HD800 can vary quite a bit from sample to sample as well! I would not want a overly "bright" sounding one! The 800s are pretty consistent as were also the 650 and 600 and also well matched. But the 800s are basically hand built - but all headphones are within the stated spec. Some differences may be due to how much burn in they have had and they do show up deficiencies in the reproduction chain. So you can't compare HD 800s unless they are compaired with exactly the same equipment. I've never heard a HD265 funnily enough. I have no doubt its nothing like as good as the HD250 II but I would be interested in hearing one to see what it sound like. I gather it used the same 150 ohms drivers as the HD565 in a closed back shell. Yes, but the damping would have been different for closed cans.
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Post by funk1969 on Jul 13, 2011 18:16:18 GMT
I had the HD265 once. That headphone lacked the transparency my K240DF had and if it had been transparent Sennheiser would have delivered a close to perfect headphone. After that I skipped on the HD565, HD600 (auditioned) and HD650 (auditioned) and skipped Sennheisers all together.
There is a HD250 II I can pick up for not too much. Is it worth the gamble and not the terrible thing the HD265 became? If not that one I might pick up a HD25.
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Post by johnwillett on Jul 14, 2011 19:12:57 GMT
I had the HD265 once. That headphone lacked the transparency my K240DF had and if it had been transparent Sennheiser would have delivered a close to perfect headphone. After that I skipped on the HD565, HD600 (auditioned) and HD650 (auditioned) and skipped Sennheisers all together. There is a HD250 II I can pick up for not too much. Is it worth the gamble and not the terrible thing the HD265 became? If not that one I might pick up a HD25. I got rid of my HD 265s pretty quickly and kept all my HD 250 and HD 250 II. I do also have the HD 25-1.
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Post by funk1969 on Jul 14, 2011 22:51:53 GMT
I guess I will skip the HD250 II then...
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Post by colinb on Jul 15, 2011 23:48:21 GMT
Did not see this. Yes you should buy that HD250II if its reasonable. Its definitely worth a shot. If it sounds good then great, if it doesn't then you didn't spend much.
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Post by colinb on Jul 15, 2011 23:54:37 GMT
Hi John, Thanks for the info. Yes you are right about the HD600/HD650s. I've heard quite a lot of different pair of them too and different examples do sound far more consistent than HD250IIs do. I take what you say about the HD800 burn in. I have yet to try a pair, but will do soon. But like you, what I'm really after is that special high end closed Sennhesier phone with the ring technology. Might be waiting a while though I guess! Cheers, Colin When you say: "I am just praying that they use the technology of the HD 800 and bring out a top class pair of headphones with the ring driver technology."; I assume you mean closed headphones?, Yes The 800s are pretty consistent as were also the 650 and 600 and also well matched. But the 800s are basically hand built - but all headphones are within the stated spec. Some differences may be due to how much burn in they have had and they do show up deficiencies in the reproduction chain. So you can't compare HD 800s unless they are compaired with exactly the same equipment. I've never heard a HD265 funnily enough. I have no doubt its nothing like as good as the HD250 II but I would be interested in hearing one to see what it sound like. I gather it used the same 150 ohms drivers as the HD565 in a closed back shell. Yes, but the damping would have been different for closed cans.
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Post by funk1969 on Jul 17, 2011 10:04:44 GMT
HD250 II on the way...
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Post by funk1969 on Jul 20, 2011 13:48:28 GMT
HD250 II is in, I am pleasantly surprised. Pretty efficient too...
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jul 21, 2011 21:48:57 GMT
Any of you know which Sennheiser headphones are supposed to replace HD 250 II linear? HD-280 Pro? HD-380 Pro? There is no replacement at all for the HD 250 I helped to develop the HD 250 back in 1986 when I used to work for Sennheiser UK. The original HD 250 was replaced by the HD 250 II, which many thought was not quite as good as the original. It was discontinued and replaced by the HD 265 which was even worse (certainly for professional use) so Sennheiser bought the HD 250 II back again and it remained in production until about 2006 I think. There is no Sennheiser closed headphones currently available that I would use over the HD 250. I am just praying that they use the technology of the HD 800 and bring out a top class pair of headphones with the ring driver technology. Until then I am sticking with My HD 250 and HD 25-1 (both Mk.I versions). Hi John, Nice to see you on the forum. You probably don't (or maybe do) remember me..... I was "that" guy who was constantly asking you questions about the lifespan of a driver I remember you VERY well from your days with Sennheiser and you were ALWAYS happy to help (well, you did your best to sound happy )..... It's an honour to have you here and I hope you can learn as well as share your knowledge. All the best, Mike.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jul 21, 2011 21:51:14 GMT
HD250 II is in, I am pleasantly surprised. Pretty efficient too... Question is this...... do you have a "good" pair that reproduce "bass" in a subterranean fashion (you will know if they do) or one of the shite pairs that just "do" bass?
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Post by funk1969 on Jul 23, 2011 8:32:09 GMT
Right: -Low end is lean until more extension is required from the recording. -Midrange is good although slightly limited. -Highs have a sharp yet well behaved edge. -Sense of space is outstanding for a closed headphone. -Transparent yet 'fun'.
This is a chameleon type headphone.
Set up: Philips CD690 + Little Dot Mark V (20/100)
You can almost feel the bass notes without losing the mids-highs while using Tool's "Lateralus" as a test track.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2011 9:44:30 GMT
That's exactly it. I never knew how much I missed the 250 II until mine met their end. I have another one, but as Mike said, they can be a bit variable. Be careful of albums like 'Laterus' though - heavy compression giving the impression!! I really wish that practice would lessen in CD production but that one (along with others) are good examples of how desperate some producers are to get noticed by being loud. Worst example - All of Eminem's stuff. Crap quality. The compression is so bad on 'White America' that it almost sucks the air out of my ears on bass beats - almost as though the headphone is working backwards. It sucks instead of blows. ;D Ian
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Post by funk1969 on Jul 23, 2011 10:03:37 GMT
Just so you know. When I just received the Sennheiser it already sounded good to begin with. I then warmed it up with Dream Theater on repeat and Dream Theater sounded very good after which I tried Kodo. The taiko drumming is a pleasure to listen too.
Kodo's "Kuyurage" is now playing...
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Post by naruto on Jul 23, 2011 23:28:15 GMT
found this thread while trying to find a pair of 250-II to buy, found a pair on amazon but not sure if I should go for it? Can't find them anywhere else but seems a bit more expensive than I wanted to pay. www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00009QH7A
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2011 6:53:22 GMT
That's too much. Someone is taking the.Mick.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2011 7:56:53 GMT
That's too much. Someone is taking the.Mick. Ian Ian Just be thankful that Miguel's present avatar hasn't received the same treatment ! Alex
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jul 24, 2011 7:58:51 GMT
found this thread while trying to find a pair of 250-II to buy, found a pair on amazon but not sure if I should go for it? Can't find them anywhere else but seems a bit more expensive than I wanted to pay. www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00009QH7A That is a ridiculous price!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2011 8:47:17 GMT
That's too much. Someone is taking the.Mick. Ian Ian Just be thankful that Miguel's present avatar hasn't received the same treatment ! Alex Yes, well mine is making me dizzy!!! Miguel's just makes me stare intently. However, my comment was aimed at the price of the Senns!! did you see how much? Just for info: Brand new - they used to retail around £175. Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jul 24, 2011 9:35:26 GMT
Ian Just be thankful that Miguel's present avatar hasn't received the same treatment ! Alex Yes, well mine is making me dizzy!!! Miguel's just makes me stare intently. However, my comment was aimed at the price of the Senns!! did you see how much? Just for info: Brand new - they used to retail around £175. Ian They actually retailed at around £129 IIRC
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2011 18:13:31 GMT
Oops. Shows how much I'm in contact with prices. Never realised that they retail that low.
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