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Post by PinkFloyd on May 15, 2014 19:26:45 GMT
It can be bastard confusing so I will take some more shots of the pre-made conversion and upload them..... I'll do it tomorrow (in good light) for sure.... "H" is "H" it doesn't matter what leg connects to the "H"... as long as both "H" legs are connected to the corresponding "H" positions on the conversion socket..... all of the other pinouts MUST be as per the diagram / mirror image etc. etc.
Took me 30 minutes to work it all out so you guys should have no bother as I have the attention span of a gnat.
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Post by tripwr1964 on May 16, 2014 2:55:40 GMT
thks for the clarification.
i would agree that getting those little guys on the conversion socket is not much fun, but worth it! also i didn't cut the leads short enough for my X-10D, so had to bend them over a bit to tuck them in. gave dire straits, brothers in arms a listen tonight before my girls went to bed... found these tubes very detailed, airy, and punchy. they seem to have all the bases covered. very enjoyable. they are my favorite x-10d tube so far!
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Post by jc on Jul 4, 2014 16:30:58 GMT
Piggin' 'ell! I completely forgot about these I found the valves while sifting through my at-work "goodies box" that was tucked away before my hols. The valve savers arrived while I was away so I knocked these up today. Hopefully I'll get a chance to listen to them in the XCanV2 sometime soon (Assuming I've got the pinning right )
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Post by jc on Jul 10, 2014 21:03:48 GMT
7963 VALVES <Part 1> Mike sent me some of these a while ago which I eventually got around to installing into my Musical Fidelity X-CanV2. This has had many of the modifications performed on it that have been detailed in numerous threads on this forum. All of these have proven to be beneficial along with the addition of a Little Pinkie PSU. Only source in this listening session, a Meridian 506-24. I am very accustomed to the combination of said amplifier (with "EB" valves fitted) with my Sennheiser HD600s. So out with the EBs and in with 7963s. These are soldered to a valve saver to allow for the valves pins to be reassigned to the correct designations of the amplifier design. In my case I allowed to much length on the 7963 pins and therefore had to further bend them to lower the valves sufficiently to fit inside the X-Can casework. I only allowed 30 minutes cooking time before curiosity got the better of me and I had to have a listen. Popping in some favourite tunes and well, I think the best way of putting it is, it's like having transistors replacing the valves! Maybe some transistors masquerading inside little glass tubes. The bass is much tighter, no valve bloom but at the same time very expressive with plenty of power and punch. The midrange also seems to be opened up, voices appearing more intimate and acoustic instruments more "live". The whole comes over as fleeter of foot, revealing a few more nuances that were maybe glossed over by the EBs. The valves were left burning in over several days with the odd sneak listen here and there until I felt they were well bedded in. Last night I settled in for another session of good tunes. None of my previous impressions were changed at all, the plus points were all still the same with just a tad more lucidity. I was now, however, noticing a slight over exuberance at the top end on certain recordings. On well recorded music I think it is just a tad more prominent that perhaps it should be, certainly more than I am used to from any of my equipment. On lesser recordings it can intrude to the point of needing to drop the volume level a notch or two (maybe not a bad thing in my case!) below my normal listening level. I can best liken the difference, for this artifact only, to that from switching from AKG K550s to 701s. So, would I switch back to the EBs or are the 7963s keepers? I'll tell you in part 2! TBC
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Post by jc on Jul 11, 2014 23:30:08 GMT
Oh btw, when sorting out the pinning all I did was; With the diagram Mike posted, have the valve base up in front of me and assign the legs as shown in that diagram. Then bring the valve saver to it, rather than the valve to the saver as you then have to think in mirror image. Much easier. No <part 2> for a while folks. The village feria where I live is on all this weekend. To avoid the all night poor music at 5 million dBs; not being able to enter my own drive or even park near my home; if having managed to sleep, being woken up at dawn with head splitting banger rockets; having a terrorfied dog; etc. etc. We have elected to rent an apartment within spitting distance of work for the duration of said festivities.
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Post by jc on Jul 22, 2014 14:04:00 GMT
OK, Ive had time to make sense of it!
<Part 2> I was going to try and keep this short but it seems my notes, taken over several nights to catch my own changing moods and broaden the musical spectrum, have run away on this one so I’m trying to condense as I go! Part 1 was the early-ish stage of listening for what the 7963 brought into the mix, Part 2 is an expansion on that coupled to seeing what the “EBs” brought when refitted. So firstly my summary of what I thought after listening with the 7963s for a substantially longer period on both the HD600 and the K701. One of largest areas of difference here is in the way the valve-swap effects bass. With the 7963s in and using the HD600s, bass is noticeably more tuneful, things like bass guitar scales were far more vivid to follow, being underpinned by the hike in speed and attack. The K701s also managed to define the same tunefulness but lost a little of the very low end, as is their way on most amps. For head staging the HD600 felt like the music was a little wider than the cans themselves. The K701 were a tad wider still but also displayed a greater homogony to the overall sound-scape at the same time. The mid range was open and airy, male voices are well expressed with believable tone though sibilant tendencies were slightly exaggerated. The 701 built on this with improved tone. Female voices could get a little shrill which was peeled a layer deeper by the 701. The high frequencies in general, on good or better recordings, were very clear but a touch too sharp at times. Strangely, overall, the 701 did a better job here, I’ve been used to this being the opposite, except when using the AKClassA. An easy sense of rhythm is evident, probably due to that mid to upper bass tunefulness and resolution. On the 701 this was a little less “stand-out” clear but there a plenty. Acoustic instruments were very realistic, you can really hear the different materials used in their design/construction . Small nuances were very audible. This again was favourable on the 701 with a surprisingly fuller tone where the 600 could get a little scratchy at times. For me the combination was definitely preferable when using the 701, which seemed to lean in the same direction of sound presentation as when driven by the awesome AKClassA, though not pushing them to quite that far up the performance scale. Switching back to the “EBs” (which was done multiple times) bass instantly reverted to the more typical warm valve sound, almost to the point of being boring by comparison. Staging was narrower, pulling in more to ear level. The midrange now seemed muddled, male voices could become either boomy or “stringy” depending on the original perceived depth of tone. Female voices were just....”smaller”. Generally the HFs now seemed curtailed, unnaturally. The sense of rhyth was vastly reduced, that open clarity and attach had gone. Acoustic instruments were darker, the different materials used far less distinguishable. Those lovely nuances were more hidden or glossed over. Overall the EB valves were preferred using 600 rather than 701. By now you have probably guessed my conclusions. The 7963 are keepers! They are still not perfect, with that slightly hot HF, but far preferable, on balance to the EBs.
A great find Mike, well done!
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 10, 2021 9:46:18 GMT
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