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Post by bravotwohero on Sept 28, 2011 22:28:50 GMT
Thanks for the reply, i think i may just have to get my own and see if your right (like i needed an excuse) Now all i need to do is sell my V3 and maybe a kidney or two and im away
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Post by jokelo on Sept 29, 2011 15:38:07 GMT
r how loud (or quiet) I push them they just deliver music clearly. It is easy to see A1 is designed T1 in mind after you listen to that combo awhile. First I didn't quite found any differences but the sound was different. Soon I began to notice improvements. And every time I fire it up I still get that wow feeling. For me, A1 was worth the money. But as many have said, A1 is just an amp with basic functions. But what it does, it does it extremely well. No it is not the A1 was around years before the T1, I do not say they are not a good match, it could be the other way round.. Oh I thought A1 was released at the same time with T1. Well, anyway... They are a perfect match.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Sept 29, 2011 23:19:35 GMT
Thanks for the reply, i think i may just have to get my own and see if your right (like i needed an excuse) Now all i need to do is sell my V3 and maybe a kidney or two and im away I don't understand your strange question /statement? It would appear you have already made your mind up. Let us know what your decision is. Mike.
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Post by leo on Sept 30, 2011 15:42:35 GMT
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Post by elysion on Sept 30, 2011 19:27:30 GMT
Doesn't look too bad, does it? The opamps are socketed which is almost a guarantee to have fun with it. My problem with it is the price point. I don't think the innards look like 900 Euros. It suprises me a bit since Beyer sells a couple of 'phones that have an aggressive price. I'm not (only) thinking of the DT 990 Pro's here. If the price would be substancially lower, I'd give that amp a try somewhen. But 900 Euros? I guess there are alternatves around that deliver similar cababilites than the A1. Beyer sells also a few amps that are able to simulate surround with headphones. These amps could be also very appealing, at least for watching films.
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Post by clausdk on Sept 30, 2011 20:14:41 GMT
Doesn't look too bad, does it? The opamps are socketed which is almost a guarantee to have fun with it. My problem with it is the price point. I don't think the innards look like 900 Euros. It suprises me a bit since Beyer sells a couple of 'phones that have an aggressive price. I'm not (only) thinking of the DT 990 Pro's here. If the price would be substancially lower, I'd give that amp a try somewhen. But 900 Euros? I guess there are alternatves around that deliver similar cababilites than the A1. Beyer sells also a few amps that are able to simulate surround with headphones. These amps could be also very appealing, at least for watching films. You can get a copy in China for about 150€..
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Post by XTRProf on Sept 30, 2011 22:03:31 GMT
Out of curiousity, is the T1 as good as the Senn HD800 or better? If "better" in what ways? Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2011 0:40:09 GMT
Hi Leo A strong family resemblance , except for the JLH, hasn't it ? Regards Alex
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Post by elysion on Oct 1, 2011 10:33:05 GMT
I like Chinese copies. Where can I get them? Hi Leo A strong family resemblance , except for the JLH, hasn't it ? Regards Alex Maybe also a reason to have a closer look on the SCHA. IIRC, SCHA means DIY and soldering. I'm still a total soldering noob, but at least my soldering iron is here since a couple of days. Perhaps I will remember the SCHA in 2-3 years – at least if I was able to get basic soldering skills. Keep your fingers crossed! Unfortunately, (spare) time is a limiting factor for me and I need to search a workshop for doing soldering first. My apartment is absolutely the wrong place for soldering.
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Post by clausdk on Oct 1, 2011 10:49:09 GMT
Try exploring this thread ..
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Post by elysion on Oct 1, 2011 12:51:34 GMT
I've found it. I didn't remember that the link was already at the beginning of the thread.
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Post by leo on Oct 1, 2011 17:42:27 GMT
Hi Leo A strong family resemblance , except for the JLH, hasn't it ? Regards Alex Hi Alex, Yes, more like the stock version, would be very interesting to compare sonically the A1 against a JLH SCHA or a Panda Regards Leo
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Post by pandapops on Oct 1, 2011 17:56:37 GMT
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Post by elysion on Oct 1, 2011 18:10:07 GMT
Maybe. But the chance that more than one RG user will buy the A1 is unlikely. The price is just too high for many RG users.
As long as we talk about A1 clones (at not all Chinese clones in general), I don't see a problem to discuss it in this thread. This also because many want to know how the original compares to the clone.
So far no one here has compared the A1 with other potent solid-state amps. A1 and X-Can V3 are different beasts.
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Post by funk1969 on Oct 2, 2011 16:02:20 GMT
Even if I could buy an A1 I wouldn't do it. For what it offers you simply pay too much.
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Post by FritzS on Oct 2, 2011 17:42:58 GMT
The amp-part (not the PSU) of the A1 looks like similar to the WNA-MKIII an OP input stage, than a diamond buffer as power stage, current sources are made by constant current source diodes. In some german forums, T1 become very good criticism, .. but A1 are surpassed by HA's from Jan Meier, Norbert Lehmann, Lake People (Violectric), etc www.meier-audio.de/www.lehmannaudio.com/www.lake-people.de/
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Post by pandapops on Oct 16, 2011 22:52:41 GMT
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Post by jokelo on Oct 17, 2011 5:56:22 GMT
Clones, clones.... I'm not saying those are bad but... This is just why every manufacturing company is outsourcing their products to China or Taiwan or whatever. No one is willing to pay more for a product quality made. Everyone wants the cheapest possible product. Clones are of course interesting if you want it cheap, but don't expect any quality products. And yes there must be good products too made in china, but this kills companies that try to do their stuff on their own. For example I have had three cheap washing machines that all lasted about two years before dying. Then bought one that is made in Germany (those bloody Germans that cost four times more than rivals made in whatever country. It has lasted 5 years for now and still going strong. Optical media products are the same, I still have CD-R's that were made in Japan, burned 10 years ago and still fully working no errors whatsoever. Today when you buy CD-R, they most are same crap made in a same company no matter what the brand is. And I have had CD's that last only few months before they got bronzed and rotted with millions of errors. Usually these cheap CD's last about few years, but don't expect them to last like 10 years anymore. Don't mean to start any war here, just my thoughts.
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Post by clausdk on Oct 17, 2011 11:14:41 GMT
Clones, clones.... I'm not saying those are bad but... This is just why every manufacturing company is outsourcing their products to China or Taiwan or whatever. No one is willing to pay more for a product quality made. Everyone wants the cheapest possible product. Clones are of course interesting if you want it cheap, but don't expect any quality products. And yes there must be good products too made in china, but this kills companies that try to do their stuff on their own. For example I have had three cheap washing machines that all lasted about two years before dying. Then bought one that is made in Germany (those bloody Germans that cost four times more than rivals made in whatever country. It has lasted 5 years for now and still going strong. Optical media products are the same, I still have CD-R's that were made in Japan, burned 10 years ago and still fully working no errors whatsoever. Today when you buy CD-R, they most are same crap made in a same company no matter what the brand is. And I have had CD's that last only few months before they got bronzed and rotted with millions of errors. Usually these cheap CD's last about few years, but don't expect them to last like 10 years anymore. Don't mean to start any war here, just my thoughts. Funny thing you mention a washing maschine, I have always bought good european brands, that are quite expensive, but thay also break down and repairs are insanely expensive, in Denmark you are 100£ down just for them driving to your house then comes the wages and spareparts... Our last one broke down after 6 years, but the price was 4 times the chinese ones that you say break down in two years, so it is hard to choose, what is better, the chinese are the best for your wallet, but I am not into all this buy and throw away thing on the other hand I do not want to throw good money out the window.. So this time I got me an Korean one from LG, it was not as cheap as the "good" brands, which BTW mostly are made in, well you guessed it China, but it it more expensive than the cheap brands.. If my choice is right only time can tell.. About the amps. well nobody will ever be able to convince me that the A1 is 6-7 times better than the hlly one and 6 of the cheap ones will, I am almost sure, outlast one A1.. I can not tell about the sound of them, I loved the A1 which I heard at our last danish meet, but it has an insane price, when you look at how much (or rather little) there is inside of it.. I am thinking about buying the clone just to test it up against the real thing at our meet next month, but it is a lot of money just to test things..
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Post by pandapops on Oct 17, 2011 14:24:54 GMT
At £80 the clone become like a kit to be modified, the original is just its highly priced self with its bog standard PSU.
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Post by jokelo on Oct 17, 2011 19:21:35 GMT
I really would like to hear opinions how these clones perform versus the original, if you do get one, clausdk. I suppose there shouldn't be any sonic differences as it is a clone, right? Shouldn't be, or then it just ain't a clone.
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Post by pandapops on Oct 17, 2011 20:15:06 GMT
I really would like to hear opinions how these clones perform versus the original, if you do get one, clausdk. I suppose there shouldn't be any sonic differences as it is a clone, right? Shouldn't be, or then it just ain't a clone. A bigger budget should buy better components and quality control: audio grade transformer vs standard that does the job; matched original philips output transistors instead of first of out of the box generics; fancy resistors, to be fair it looks like the clone has Dale resistors; better electrolytic caps, the ones in the clone look like £10-£20 quids worth at retail prices if original. The clone box does look big enough for a dual JLH if anyone has one.
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Post by jokelo on Oct 18, 2011 3:38:55 GMT
I really would like to hear opinions how these clones perform versus the original, if you do get one, clausdk. I suppose there shouldn't be any sonic differences as it is a clone, right? Shouldn't be, or then it just ain't a clone. A bigger budget should buy better components and quality control: audio grade transformer vs standard that does the job; matched original philips output transistors instead of first of out of the box generics; fancy resistors, to be fair it looks like the clone has Dale resistors; better electrolytic caps, the ones in the clone look like £10-£20 quids worth at retail prices if original. The clone box does look big enough for a dual JLH if anyone has one. So you are saying clone has better components than original A1? Just wondering when looking at the clone... In specs it says "2 sets of line-in selectable on the front panel" and "1 set of line-out can be used as a pre-amp output". Where? In pictures there is only one line in, no selectable switches for it and no line out. Picture is misleading if those specifications are correct. Also when compared to original those specs differ quite a bit. Clone : Frequency Response: 10 Hz (-0.3dB) ~ 35kHz (-1dB) Signal to Noise Ratio: >95dB (0dB) Distortion: <0.001% (6 mW/300 Ohms) Input Impedance: 47 kOhms Output Impedance: Line-out 60 Ohms, Phone-out 5 Ohms Output Power: 200 mW/300 Ohms, 400 mW/60 Ohms Power Support: AC 220-240V/100-120 Front Panel Color: Black Weight: 2 kg Device Dimension: 240 x 120 x 52mm A1 : -Input impedance……………………………50 kΩ -Maximum amplification…………………18 dB -Frequency response………………………..1 Hz – 100 kHz (-1 dB) -T.H.D……………………………………………….0.001% at 170 mW / 250 Ω -Channel separation………………………...>89 dB -Output power………………………………… 100 mW / 600 Ω, 170 mW / 250 Ω, 150 mW / 30 Ω -Unweighted signal-to-noise ratio……>100 dB -Output impedances: ……………………….100 Ω headphone output, Line Out (depending on the connected device) -Power consumption………………………..<15 W via internal, controlled power pack -Audio connections…………………………..Headphone socket, 1 Line output, 2 Audio inputs (gold-plated RCA sockets) -Dimensions……………………………………. 250 x 225 x 50 mm -Weight…………………………………………….approx 2.3 kg To be honest, there are many things here I don't understand a crap... Maybe someone could explain.
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Post by pandapops on Oct 18, 2011 4:23:12 GMT
The original should be better made with no risk of fake components and has more connection options.
The one thing I can see by picture is the brown Dale resistors, these are so common in the chinese ebay stuff that I suspect they are being churned out, that said the Panda doesn't sound like it has standard metal film resistors. My guess is that in stock condition the original beats the clone, but that an intelligently upgraded clones beats the original at a fraction of the cost, I've heard what upgrades do across numerous designs and they work.
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Post by jokelo on Nov 5, 2011 14:47:09 GMT
bravotwohero, did you get your A1?
Would like to hear how you like it if you did.
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