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Post by krisno on Apr 3, 2009 14:00:34 GMT
 The Burson HA-100 just arrived. Completly discreete. It might be a bad buy if it is just a copy of GDC amps. I don't know... Anyways. just straight out of the box, using the same nos dac source. It is smooth, not edgy or screaming like the modded V2. Really is smooth. Other than that it is the same solidstate vs tube difference. A bit better bass, not as laid back, and lots of details. But I honestly have to say, the Opamp based 2134 Yulong amp + this DAC was the most fun and intense experience I have ever had with my AKG's. This Burson can't even match that really.... It really shocks me. The only other difference with this setup is some more expensive signalcables, but I can't belive they make it sound worse. Anyways... much smoother than V2, but V2 has more realistic presentation I guess. But this is not bad.. maybe it becomes more open after a 100hour use. K |
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Post by krisno on Apr 3, 2009 17:45:38 GMT
I have to say, the V2 keeps up... The Burson Ha-100 is not at all worth the money, I don't find it that much more detailed either. But probably the burson needs burn-in. It is though a little smoother. It's completly non-fatiguing.
Also, it might be difficult to hear the potential of the burson as the DAC might be the limiting point here. PC audio should never be done without a pacecar ! hehe.... We will see when I solder inn the obbligato's. atleast they will be better than the russians.
The V2 does though, as the burson is now, bring me closer to the music... With the right source, maybe vinyl. I guess the V2 is hard to beat.. But the V8 is alot 'tubier' amp, alot lusher...
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Post by leo on Apr 3, 2009 21:40:15 GMT
Give it some time to run in, if you still don't like it maybe you can send it back? How about some internal pics?  |
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Post by krisno on Apr 3, 2009 21:47:13 GMT
You guys must never ever order Burson.
It is twice the size as stated in the specs!! This is way over 4.4cm tall and 11.0cm wide.
There is a noise in the amp, hissing sound, even if everything is disconnected at low volumes. If I turn the volume knob to 3/4 full, the hissing is gone.
The x-can v2 is just as good an amp, but the DAC might be holding this burson down.
I owe you all guys a big apology. Because, even though this Burson is somewhat smoother, not by much, it shows that the russian tantalums in the DAC are the Funking problem.
The thing is that the Yulong which used a 2134opamp at the input, and transistor output, probably as you say, masked the deficiency of those bright damn tantalums. These are going to be replaced now with Obbligato's, but still, then I could have saved 850 AUD, and just kept the little X-canV2.
Actually the V2 seems to have better bass than the Burson, and it has the same details. But the Burson seems a tad more 'transparant' and has more 'space' or how you say it. But V2 is more realistic... To bad I don't have a Meridian CD player to really test these two...
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Post by PinkFloyd on Apr 3, 2009 22:03:30 GMT
Stop wasting your money. Step back from the machine, go out and see a live band, interact with people... when you return you'll expect your machine to recreate that event.... it NEVER can.... you are looking for something that does not exist.... condition YOURSELF to embrace what you have before you.
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Post by krisno on Apr 3, 2009 22:23:11 GMT
well said.... so I will have to choose then. Keep V2, fix that dac, or sell V2 and keep the burson. I allready have a buyer for the V2.
But you guys really should try it. AKG K 701 with a OPA2134 based amp + nos dac. It is the most fantastic experience I have ever heard in my life. The music really stood out in the room. This can't be experienced even with this $1000 burson
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2009 22:43:41 GMT
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Post by robertkd on Apr 3, 2009 22:50:14 GMT
well said.... so I will have to choose then. Keep V2, fix that dac, or sell V2 and keep the burson. I allready have a buyer for the V2. But you guys really should try it. AKG K 701 with a OPA2134 based amp + nos dac. It is the most fantastic experience I have ever heard in my life. The music really stood out in the room. This can't be experienced even with this $1000 burson some people just don't get it ;D rockgrotto.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=chitchat&action=display&thread=3621&page=1 |
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Post by Spirit on Apr 3, 2009 23:39:04 GMT
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Post by leo on Apr 3, 2009 23:43:00 GMT
Is the Yulong really a clone of the Lehmann Black cube?
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Post by krisno on Apr 4, 2009 10:58:00 GMT
Yes, Jaycar might be the solution with the AKG. The problem is the AKG you know... never get those headphones since you will never ever be pleased.
The yulong has the same design. Burr Brown 2134 input stage, discrete output stage. But if its the exact clone I can't answer. But on the AKG, the 2134 + nos dac. It is the most intens experience I have had in my life. But damn Burson. They are really luying on their specs. I didn't ask for a shoebox sized amplifier. It's supposed to be half this size according to their specs. It is hell to ship it back to aussie. hehe.
I am running the V2 on the output from a ipod now(running on battery power). It is not that bad, but on the AKG's it's still on the brighter side of things. It's not as lush as the V3 was. I don't know why and I can't answer. Is a tube swap all that is needed? A shame to sell this baby, as spend so much time. but well, wtheck.
Lehmann Rhinelander anyone heheheh..
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Post by robertkd on Apr 4, 2009 11:19:33 GMT
Yes, Jaycar might be the solution with the AKG. The problem is the AKG you know... never get those headphones since you will never ever be pleased. K I don't think my AKG702's are a problem, nor my modded SC HA nor either my PCM1793 DAC nor my 8 stacked TDA1543 DAC now I know you can solder for an absolute fraction of the cost you might be pleasantly surprised.. anyway if you had of asked me I would have told you not to buy that over priced amplifier ;D |
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Post by PinkFloyd on Apr 4, 2009 13:20:34 GMT
Try sex...... it's even better ;D
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Post by dejanm on Apr 4, 2009 15:05:41 GMT
Try sex...... it's even better ;D This post is getting better and better ...  |
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Post by krisno on Apr 5, 2009 10:12:01 GMT
Sex is not much fun Mike if it is the same old wife ... somebody on this thread ought to know.
The amp is not bad, and its half the price of rudistor and atleast as good I guess.
But guys, it seems the interconnect is some of the problem. I changed back to hise über cheap distorting hissing extremly bad cable, and if I manage to listen don't minding the 'hiss'. The drive is back. My god, expensive interconnects really ruin the experience.
Maybe my best solution is. Return the Burson, take the 'hit' and keep the V2 and just get me a pair of Senneheiser HD 595! Then I would get tube sound, but it will not be fatiguing as the HD 595 is worse set of headphones, it will mask some of it. Probably Hd 595 is darker than AKG.
The problem all the way might have been the AKG, also they eat up the top of my skull...
I need to get this sorted. I want to watch movies and have some nice music from time to time on my computer with headphones. Some of the 'shrill' will be sorted when swapping out those output caps.
That jaycar kit is excellent. But I won't spend time building one
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Post by robertkd on Apr 5, 2009 11:02:37 GMT
Sex is not much fun Mike if it is the same old wife ... somebody on this thread ought to know. why not your the same old husband aren't you? here is where one of the biggest snake oil subjects takes root, myths abound, IMHO there are krap cables then there are good cables anything after that then your ears are ruled by how much you payed. moot point comes down to personal preferences, the spin of the earth and what works for you. now that is disappointing so much to be gained for so little effort ;D Well we can only spoon feed so much, sooner or later you will need to walk, learn and be informed. Robert |
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Post by krisno on Apr 5, 2009 11:29:51 GMT
haha... You spoon fed me the X-canV2!! It's intereseting how you people are not open for discussion. I have spend 2 days listening to Burson vs modded V2 with little pinkie.
The V2 is not bad, but the Burson is better.
I am really amazed that this Signalcable actually almotes mutes the music, but its a bit less shrilling with those cables vs the cheap ones.
But probably, my main problem is the AKG's. It's impossible to get them organic sounding, its like metallic. The V8 + AKG is the most lush experience I have had. Burson + AKG is the second best in that regard. The opa2134 + nos dac + akg is the most fun package I have ever heard in my life. The music just stood out in the room. Its like you saw the music... amazing stuff.
But yes, need to scale this operation down. Hd595 would be an easier headphone to live with I guess. Who here uses the AKG K 701 as your standard headphones? What are your favorites?
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Post by robertkd on Apr 5, 2009 11:51:24 GMT
haha... You spoon fed me the X-canV2!! It's intereseting how you people are not open for discussion. I have spend 2 days listening to Burson vs modded V2 with little pinkie. The V2 is not bad, but the Burson is better. no such thing K, I made no recommendations regarding your purchases it was your choice. that's interesting, again there is a lot of snake oil associated with interconnects organic you say, mmmm I wonder might be worth investigating an OPA Earth, just a thought. whet your appetite here rockgrotto.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=audiogdhdammodules&action=display&thread=3970&page=4well technically I do my k702's are my standard, for me they are my passport to Audio Zen oh any my SC HA  Robert |
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Post by Spirit on Apr 5, 2009 12:02:41 GMT
The opa2134 + nos dac + akg is the most fun package I have ever heard in my life. The music just stood out in the room. Its like you saw the music... amazing stuff. And you won't build an scha why? I'd be willing to bet that the 2134 amp has nothing on a JLH'd SCHA.... |
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Post by PinkFloyd on Apr 5, 2009 12:14:56 GMT
For the type of sound you're looking for Kris the Sennheiser HD-600 are the ones to go for. The HD-595 are horrible things IMO, cheaply made and quite a toppy sound... the HD-600 are velvety, dark and organic, I'm sure you'd like them a lot especially with the v2.
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Post by krisno on Apr 5, 2009 13:56:11 GMT
V2 and sennheiser 650-600 .. probably a match made in heaven. And i guess both v2 and v3 was made for sennheiser's in mind.
Robert.... the Burson is OPA based, but maybe the sun variant.
The 650 headclamp is the worst I've ever felt, so it sort of rules them out...
Is the HD-600 a better choice?
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Post by robertkd on Apr 5, 2009 14:07:11 GMT
Robert.... the Burson is OPA based, but maybe the sun variant. I believe so, Audio Gd make the modules, maybe not OPA Sun, if your wanting organic I think OPA Earth, for me it's more organic and a damn good listen Senys well I can't help you there but would think HD600's read many good reports but also good reports on HD650's maybe you could audition the HD800's ;D Robert |
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Post by PinkFloyd on Apr 5, 2009 14:45:53 GMT
V2 and sennheiser 650-600 .. probably a match made in heaven. And i guess both v2 and v3 was made for sennheiser's in mind. Robert.... the Burson is OPA based, but maybe the sun variant. The 650 headclamp is the worst I've ever felt, so it sort of rules them out... Is the HD-600 a better choice? The HD-600 really do "loosen off" after a while and become the most comfy 'phones to have on your head... from new they are a bit "tight" but everything relaxes nicely once they bed in to your noggin  V2 + Hd-600 IS a match made in heaven, correct! |
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Post by krisno on Apr 5, 2009 15:06:27 GMT
But I allready promised to sell the V2. But how can a dark headphone + tubes be a good combination for anything than jazz?
I have to say.... V2 vs discrete Burson, not much difference. V2 is more 'edgy', more 'shrilling' 'smaller soundstage' and a bit less refined. But that's about it really... So either discrete really sound like tubes, or the v2 really sound like solidstate but with the tube faults ...
Gunshots etc are more realisitc on tubes though. That wallwart on the x-canvs really annoy me. Why they can't start incorporating a torroidal in their amps, incredible...
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Post by krisno on Apr 5, 2009 15:30:59 GMT
Which solidstate amp is the best one for HD600 then which is not too expensive. That jaycar thing, is it 2134 on the input and discrete output?
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