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Post by pagan on Oct 14, 2012 11:42:27 GMT
oohms
i would pull the speakers out of the corners and move the chairs that are in front of them.
The corners will be en enthesizing the bass and the soft chairs in front will be absorbing the highs.
Just my thoughts
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2012 20:30:02 GMT
oohms i would pull the speakers out of the corners and move the chairs that are in front of them. The corners will be en enthesizing the bass and the soft chairs in front will be absorbing the highs. Just my thoughts Allan I agree with Allan. I am not sure which model VAF speakers Sydney member Greg Erskine has, but they sound very good indeed when properly positioned. Alex |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2012 21:08:23 GMT
Alex do you mean.......emphasizing?  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2012 21:34:26 GMT
Alex do you mean.......emphasizing? Hi Alan Allan meant that, but I didn't feel like nit picking his spelling.  Regards Alex P.S. Spell check wanted to change your name to dumdum ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2012 22:02:58 GMT
Funny how the brain likes to fill in what the eyes ain't seen and jumps ahead of it's self. I reckon it also read Alex for Allan. A bit like expectation bias in audio.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2012 22:33:43 GMT
Sounds more like a problem due to advanced age. BTW, the spell check suggestion was for your username. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2012 0:04:25 GMT
drymdrum.....Humdrum...........................Ho! hum! reckon your eyes are shot. G'nite Alex  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2012 0:31:32 GMT
drymdrum.....Humdrum...........................Ho! hum! reckon your eyes are shot. G'nite Alex G'nite Dumdum ;D Attachments:
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Post by pagan on Oct 15, 2012 8:22:09 GMT
Alex do you mean.......emphasizing? Yes  I've been corrected for literacy by a Scot My Dad would have a field day with this..... ;D Allan |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2012 17:30:07 GMT
Since I haven't tossed, traded or sold off anything in quite a while....I've got a few.
2 computer stations with..1. Radio Shack Minimus 7 w/4in mid..25mm tweeter in sealed metal box, "made in Japan" speakers with an Energy 8inch sub, amp is a Qinpu A-3. 2. Radio Shack Pro X-33AV..sealed 3inch mid/19mm dome tweeter, Diamond S2 8inch sub/amp combo box.
Big room...ATC SCM12SL(bi-amped) or Morel Octave (in Ferrari Red of course, but not bi-amp-able). Amplifier...2XRoksan Caspian stereo amps, "M" series to woofers, Mk.I to tweeters. Preamp...Croft Micro Basic+ line stage with Telefunken smooth plate ECC-83 or G.E. 5 Star 5751 (or one of a dozen other variants)
Small room....Pick 'em...Monitor Audio Silver S-1, Triangle Titus XS, Triangle Stella, DIY w/Morel drivers (old car audio 4 ohm 170mm bass/mid and MDT 105S 6ohm tweeter) sealed 17 liter MDF box, simple x-Over w/Hovland cap on tweeter, bass/mid voice coils wired direct to amp, which is a Croft Polestar w/Mullard 12AT7 (1957) or CBS 7728 tube. Preamp is AudioNote M2-B with Amperex 6922's and Reflektor 6X5GT tubes. Sub is MA FB-110.
Sources vary.
Most favorites are the ATC's in the big room and the Monitor Audio S-1's (with port "bung" in) + FB-110 sub in smaller room. British speakers just get the acoustic instruments "right"...imho...violin, cello, piano, etc. Just have to make sure to "warm up" those C-Cam drivers in the MA's for 10 minutes or so, before believing what I'm hearing. I know, $6K worth of preamp and amp and $600 speakers (+ sub =$1400), but, AudioNote+Croft+MA Silver's is quite the beautiful experience....MA fast & detailed and yet Croft sweet and AudioNote BIG. Molto bene!
Oh...almost forgot about my circa1970's KEF Corelli's awaiting their T-27 repair that I keep putting off. Voice coil replacement. BTW, here in the States the KEF reps here offer the voice coil replacement for the T-27...isn't that cool...after all these years.
No home theater just stereo, even with the NAD T-585 universal disc spinner that'll play multi-channel DVD-A and SACD. I just don't get the acoustic "feeling" of multi channel playback. Stereo is just fine. I don't want to feel like I have to "shush" the guy behind me with the bronchitus during a quiet passage in a Boccherini piece, whilst sitting in my living room, ya know?...
I've also experimented and added a tweeter "lens" to most of my speakers. It is a rubber washer about 3 to 4 inches in diameter with either a 1 inch or 1 1/4 inch hole in the middle that I blu tack to the baffle board and that exposes the tweeter dome behind the 1/16 inch or so thickness of the rubber washer + blu tack adhesive. Some call it a "focus ring" or some such thing. I've found a more focused sound between the speakers and less "splashiness" of the dome. A sort of horn loading, but less and more. I prefer the effect, myself.....cost is about $2 per washer per tweeter, purchased from the hardware store in downtown Plymouth, Michigan....J
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Post by madmac on Oct 14, 2013 17:57:52 GMT
Going to revive another thread ! Wharfedale Modus six:  These are huge, about 1,25 meters I think. At a certain point when I had started working, I was actively searching for a decent set of speakers. I went to stores and shows and listened to B&W 580's  Quadral Rubin: (loved their sound)  JBL's, Jamo's, Magnat: And totally unaware of their sound I discovered these, Whafedale Modus Six:  They are basicly two-in-one speakers: The top section is one 17 cm woofer with the rotating tweeter on top. It has it's own bassreflex at the back. The bottom section in one 17 cm woofer in a devided enclosure with that huge bassreflex port underneath. Once I did a test with a Philips test CD and these produce audible frequenties as low as 25hz, even 20hz was still audible, but weak. As being a UK brand these have, what we mainland people call, "the British sound". That means recessed mids. Deep, non punchy bass, lots of highs (good highs) but because of the absence of a midrange speaker they lack some midrange. I have these for 18 years now and they still amaze me. "The British sound" is also what a B&W sounds like. We also spoke of "The American sound" which was more mid-enhanced. Best example were the JBL speakers, but also German brand Quadral sounded more "American" to us.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 15, 2013 20:27:25 GMT
I started life with a pair of KEFKIT 1 back in the mid seventies..... they were smallish KEF kit speakers and my Dad built them up for me. That was my first real taste of "proper" sound Since then I've had tons of the damned things go through my hands.... at one point in the 80's I became a speakerholic, always chopping and changing, buying the "flavour of the month" what Hi-Fi types and then selling them and repeating the same for a good few years! I finally stuck with one pair of speakers for over 4 years and they were the Monitor audio MA14 MKll Gold..... nothing special about them but they really suited my Audiolab Pre / power combo and Rotel RCD 965 LE / discrete CD player. Propbaly my favourites were the pair of Wilmslow Audio Vogue floorstanders I built myself, they were absolutely built from the ground up with every little attention to detail..... the best polyprop crossover caps, cabinets damped with dedshete, filled with long hair sheep's wool... the works. About 15 years ago I went off speakers altogether and was getting more and more into sitting in front of a computer than sitting as part of a perfect triangle in a dedicated listening room...... the listening room ended up being converted into a bedroom and I sold off all my Hi-Fi Gear apart from my CD player (which was then a Marantz CD17ki sig)....... I bought this funny little thing called an X-CAN V2 and a pair of Sennheiser HD-535 and listened to the headphones (CD17Ki source / V2 amp) whilst surfing the (then) very slow (dial up 56kbps) internet. It felt very strange, almost like being strapped into a torture device but I soon became used to listening to headphones whilst "surfing" the net. I went on to experiment with the V2 and try different headphones but that's another story. Currently I've got an absolute Mish Mash of "random speakers" peppered around the joint and the only ones I listen to, on a daily basis, are a pair I "literally" knocked up in one day..... I had a few sheets of MDF, a couple of 8 inch Wharfedale drivers and a couple of Wharfedale tweeters...... the crossover is basically a polyprop between the bass / mid driver and the tweeter....... As they were going to be for workshop duty I didn't even bother applying a finish to them..... over the years I have randomly "wiped" off my brushes on them after doing any painting about the place..... they've been abused, they are fed with orange lawnmower cable BUT they sound great (purely as casual "listening whilst you work" type devices): One up in the rafters:  The other on top of a tall cabinet:  The powerhouse being a little NAD amp, a TEAC tuner (roof mounted aerial) and an old Marantz CD52MKll special edition:  I've got more junk kicking about in the workshop: A pair of wharfedale diamond 9.1  A pair of JBL control 1, "another" NAD amp and "another" Marantz CD52MKll:  All pretty much shite and I really need to clear it out..... I have a further "four" Mint condition Marantz CD52 MKll SE in boxes somewhere Bedroom rig is still running a pair of Mistral DT-307 rockgrotto.proboards.com/thread/7144/fantastic-little-mistral-dt-307s?page=3#page=1 I've got a pair of Tannoy "Red" monitors packed away somewhere, I must look them out with a view to selling them. I don't have an actual listening room these days...... the closest I can come to a listening room is where I dump any guests who may appear at random. Speakers used in that room are Tannoy Eyris and Acoustic energy woofers...... The neon light and "head" on top of the woofers are affixed with butyl rubber tape so they don't "dance about" (BTW!)...... another mishmash of gear but anyone who has listened in there has come out with their jaws open (and toenails curled)       I also have a "room" dedicated to vintage radios, a cupboard dedicated to vintage valves and a loft that is absolutely overflowing with random "audio" related devices...... the vintage radios have always been a passion of mine, if anybody shares the passion I am willing to "divulge" my stash Latest in is a KB FB-10 "toaster" radio..... absolutely "as new", it even came in it's original box! I won't even mention "RC helicopter / Drone" room..... that's a very private place and GPS / NAZA "come home" has been achieved with the Bumblebee A lot of you consider me a piss artist, ask yourself this simple question..... can a drunk man post so many pictures? Can a drunk man have so may interests? |
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 15, 2013 20:58:42 GMT
Please don't ask where I keep my headphone amp / headphones stash...... I'll upload a photo, prepare to be shocked  Madmac..... one thing is for certain, I'm into my music and I'd like to think I know one end of a headphone amp / headphone from another Mike. I'll shut up now as this is a "speaker" related thread |
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Post by madmac on Oct 16, 2013 5:07:49 GMT
Hey Mike, I remmember those Wharfedale Diamond speaker getting all sorts of rewards, mostly as being the best bang for the buck. And I had to smile when I saw your livingroom, the fireplace is the center of your listening area  |
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Post by outdoorguy on Dec 1, 2013 17:21:31 GMT
 My audio budget is extremely tight so I make do buying mostly used, or beer priced overachievers, and doing my research. As you can see, it serves double duty as a home theater. NHT 2.5i speakers, bi-wired and driven by an Acurus a200 amp, Marantz sr8500 as preamp/processor, Pioneer dv414 source. Sub duty are 4 15' infinite baffle Dayton's driven by a Behringer pro amp, in an infinite baffle array +/- 1.5 db from 21hz to 80hz, IIRC, -3db@16hz. The NHT's are sort of a jack of all trades, master of none. My listening taste runs the gauntlet, 80's hair band, dubstep, anything classical, everything except gangsta rap and the kind of country music they play in bars, hence the jack of all trades requirement. Image depth is good but rarely much wider than the speaker, mids are fairly uncouloured, treble is a touch bright, which doesn't make for the perfect match with the Acurus, bass they do well, even with no sub. Fairly revealing speaker, they do need plenty of power to sound their best, the Carver av705x@125 watts runs out of steam, even the Acurus strains at neighbor warfare levels. It took a while to decide on the Marantz. Got to know one of the salesmen at the only local, somewhat hi-fi shop around. In home demo'd Sony es, Yamaha, Denon, Pioneer elite, before deciding on the Marantz. The Pioneer elite was a very close runner up while the Denon sounded more like the Sony, cold and uninviting, which is strange since Denon and Marantz are from the same company. The Pioneer dv414 just sounded right, had a good picture to boot. It was a no brainer. The infinite baffle sub array...guys, if you can, this is something you need to at least listen to. It's not your typical box/sub kind of sound. Clean, low, tight/articulate, powerful, while blending very well with the mains. It took a while to get them dialed in but well worth the effort. Nothing like feeling the power of Bach's Fugue without sacrificing quality. Cables are mostly budget priced AudioQuest, and IMO, they tend to the bright side, not the perfect match for an amp/speaker all ready on the bright side but the salesman is very happy to let me in home demo gear so concessions are sometimes made for what they sale. Speaker cables are handmade woven out of cat5e. Took two weeks to weave two 10' pairs. I have several of the less expensive types of AQ, demo'd their more expensive stuff, some of the bargain priced Tara labs stuff, even some extremely expensive Nordost cable and interconnect. I'm ok with the cheap DIY speaker cable. DIY room treatment. Did frequency response measurements manually with the RadioShack spl meter, sweep tones and a note pad from the listening chair. There was a huge in room hump @100hz, with the proper size/location/thickness/density of trap it was possible to tame that hump with very little effect on other frequencies. It's amazing but you can actually measure the difference it makes moving a trap in or out from a corner or wall. The traps on the front wall helped tame the treble. All traps have since been painted flat black to blend with the front wall. The speakers stand on 1x4's glued and bolted to the concrete floor. Other speakers that take their turn: RadioShack prolx-4, bookshelf speaker- if only that wonderful film tweeter had been mated to a better woofer... NHT super zero, small bookshelf- similiar sound to it's bigger brother, very large yet pinpoint accurate soundstage, no bass at all, must be used with a sub crossed over fairly high. Mirage sb-1, small floorstander- $300 on closeout form AudioAdvisor, really like these, can't believe they get so much right with so little. Easy to listen to for long periods, image well, clean midrange, maybe a bit rolled off in the top, easy to drive, sound good with cheap electronics, clean deep bass belies it's size. Klipsch sf-1, medium floorstander- sorry not a fan, not a fan of the corner horn either, guess I'm just not into the Klipsch sound. Note to self, need to put on Craigslist and get rid of. Wharfedale opal 30, medium bookshelf- did not impress me right away but the more I listen the more I realize how much they do right, image well, easy going highs, good mids, just a tad boomy in the mid base, not the most revealing, bass roll off early buy gentle, easy to listen to for long periods. I've had a terrible time finding any information on the net about these, anybody??? Apogee Caliper sigs., full size planar- what can I say, anyone that has heard an all planar Apogee knows the sound. I find them very hard to listen to, my brain tells me the sound is coming from the speaker, my ears tell me the sound is coming from everywhere, including outside the walls, some kind of conflict going on in my head saying this just isn't right. Unfortunately one bass panel has a semi break, I can see it light up like a Christmas tree when the lights are low, I'm afraid the repair cost is going to be around $3k and that's just no doable on my wages. |
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Post by puffin on Mar 1, 2014 18:10:53 GMT
I am trying some vintage Jap speakers (Technics, Kenwood etc) which can be picked up for not a lot of money. IMO they are surprisingly good.  |
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Post by covenant on Mar 2, 2014 20:52:29 GMT
I use Vandersteen 1c's in my hifi. No point in posting a picture 'cos there just four poles covered in acoustically transparent cloth with a bit of wood top and bottom. They are about 20 years old and the thing they do really well is imaging or soundstage. Every now and then I think I should upgrade but I think I would need to spend serious money to get better.
Have to keep the cat out of the room though as they would make lovely scratching posts.
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Post by puffin on Mar 3, 2014 19:09:45 GMT
[quote author=" covenant" source="/post/133547/thread" timestamp="1393793549" I think I would need to spend serious money to get better. [/quote] I heard the Vandersteens years ago at a Hifi show. I remember that they sounded good (or it may have been that I liked what they did) I have been trying some vintage speakers and have been surprised at how good they are for little money. However if you buy from ebay or similar then you are buying blind and will not know what they sound like until they are in your system. If they are cheap, then IMO it is a bit of fun and you might get a blinder. |
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Post by Vallejos on Aug 12, 2014 21:12:11 GMT
Today I got my new (second hand) speakers, Mårten Design model Monk (Thelonious Monk). Just afraid my cats will find the woofers and tweeters nice to sink their claws in... Happened with my old speakers, but that was when the oldest of my cats were young. So perhaps they are mature individuals that never would come up with such a stupid idea as destroying my new speakers :-)  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 21:45:09 GMT
2 generations of cats have used my DCM QED speakers as scratching posts, and their socks have been almost totally destroyed. Unfortunately, they don't improve with maturity in this respect.
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Post by jc on Aug 12, 2014 23:16:01 GMT
Simple answer, shoot the cats!  At least I would if the little buggers (dog in my case) damaged something of value in the house. Having said that I'm really not keen on cats anyway.  BOT, I'm trying to sell my speakers due to the imminent move, one of the downsides but hey-ho.  p.s. if my dog misbehaved I could plug her into an amplifier and turn her into a woofer! Yep, getting my coat now..... |
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Post by Vallejos on Aug 13, 2014 8:01:41 GMT
Well as seen the woofers are cat-protected from start. And since the top of the speaker cabinet is at an angle and not comfortable for a cat, the tweeters got a better chance at surviving :-D First night all right, hope this is a continuing story :-)  |
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Post by Vallejos on Aug 14, 2014 8:18:05 GMT
Damn one of my cats have sink her claws in one of the tweeter! Fu*k a duck! I thought this might work and that they did not pay any notice and attention to the new speakers since the old and destroyed ones was left alone the last three years.
Must find some sort of metal net/grille to put over the tweeters. Just don't feel like attaching the metal grille with screws.... Would be great if it worked with double sided tape.
Any ideas? Or if possible use the fitting screws for the tweeter as fastening point for the grille. Maybe with som sort of inserts to put distance between the tweeter and the grille...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 10:45:12 GMT
You need 2 infra red beams at different heights across the doorway. The lower one would be close to the floor, and the one above it at a height greater than the cat. If only the bottom one is triggered, it sets off an alarm, or a sound that will frighten the crap out of the cat.
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Post by Vallejos on Aug 14, 2014 18:00:06 GMT
You need 2 infra red beams at different heights across the doorway. The lower one would be close to the floor, and the one above it at a height greater than the cat. If only the bottom one is triggered, it sets off an alarm, or a sound that will frighten the crap out of the cat.
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Hehehe, that would be something to see, a black missile out of the room This is my solution. The cat's got to be a Houdini-cat to get to the speaker membrane.  |
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At least I would if the little buggers (dog in my case) damaged something of value in the house. Having said that I'm really not keen on cats anyway. 
