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Post by XTRProf on Jul 25, 2012 0:37:33 GMT
Someone directed me to this as I'm interested in how to build and the minmum specs required for a good dedicated computer AV. Just for a good read and many of the things you may already know. But take note it's just good enough for computer audio only. As I needed a dedicated computer for AV + gaming, this is definitely not enough for me. I will pick up the pieces of what I can use though. Enjoy the read: www.computeraudiophile.com/content/405-computer-audiophile-pocket-server-caps-v20/
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2012 1:31:00 GMT
Someone directed me to this as I'm interested in how to build and the minmum specs required for a good dedicated computer AV. Just for a good read and many of the things you may already know. But take note it's just good enough for computer audio only. As I needed a dedicated computer for AV + gaming, this is definitely not enough for me. I will pick up the pieces of what I can use though. Enjoy the read: www.computeraudiophile.com/content/405-computer-audiophile-pocket-server-caps-v20/Chong Re this section: "Audiophile Add-ins The next two pieces of the C.A.P.S. v2.0 puzzle will never be found in an off-the-shelf Dell, HP, Apple, etc..." IMO. It isn't doing any more than several of us at RG are already doing with our external JLH PSUs and USB cable mods at a much cheaper cost due to DIY. The earlier posted DIY C-L-C. will also give similar results when fitted inline with an internal Optical device. BUT , the 1s and 0s are still the same !!! Why on earth do people fit these SOtM devices if they firmly believe that "bit are bits"? Fitting a SOtM Fan Filter PCB is a different matter, as it reduces background noise from the fan itself. A couple of days ago I fitted a new version of the DIY C-L-C filter inline with the power for both my "C" and "G" HDDs. Don't tell Frans and Christian etc. , but it actually improves rips done in W7 Safe Mode to a Corsair Voyager used as Ready Boost, because it reduces noise and EMI from the HDD that the OS is using during ripping to .wav files. Alex
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Post by elysion on Jul 25, 2012 1:55:26 GMT
No need to tell it to me. I've already read it. Still looking to find a few bars with bits on them for you. BTW: Have you ever measured the temps of your northbridge (the IC under the large heatsink just beside your CPU socket). Yours is an i965. I have a very similar board here which is using an i945. Even the i945 gets damn hot. The southbridge (the other big IC somewhere near your expansion slots) has no heatsink at all in stock condition. I've glued a passive heatsink on my ICH7 sounthbridge months ago. This thing is still getting very hot. Overall, the i945, i955, i965 and i975 northbridges and the ICH7/8/9/10 southbridges are always on the hot side. I prefer the newer chipsets which aren't getting this hot (northbridge is integrated on th CPU die of the i3/i5/i7 series anyway).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2012 2:05:00 GMT
Christian The present PC when working with XP was able to use the special Intel Utility, and back then, that temperature, although higher than I would have preferred was well within limits. (65c?) The M/B was typically around 40 to 45c though. Alex
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Post by elysion on Jul 25, 2012 2:17:59 GMT
The M/B temps of the i945 are also in this range. Even slightly higher since this M/B is using an "evil fekking CPU" (Pentium D 830 with 130W TDP). I've prepared 40mm Papst fan for additional northbridge cooling today. It's now in the same range as yours. In the last few days, I've optimised the cooling of this mainboard/CPU combo. The CPU is still very hot, but I was able to stabilise the temps. The Pentium D 830 is a real beast. 130W TDP is more than one of the top-of-line AMD FX chips is dissipating. It's even up to par with intel's SandyBridge-E LGA2011 plattform. Beside the fact that SandyBridge-E has much better power saving techniques and runs usually much cooler. This computer is just for my personal fun. I have enough time to optimise it at the moment. Otherwise, I have absolutely no need to use it really since I have a whole bunch of much better/efficient computers around.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2012 2:28:24 GMT
Mine is using an Intel Core 2 Duo E6600
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Post by elysion on Jul 25, 2012 2:42:34 GMT
Beside that the Core 2 Duo E6600 is much faster than the Pentium D 830, it has "only" a TDP of 65W. I.e. it uses only half as much power as the Pentium D 830 under full load. In idle, it's an even greater difference. The Pentium D 830 uses at least 84.8W in idle (!!!).
That Pentium D 830 system is running outside the competition. It's more like a joke than something serious. It was one of the worst intel CPUs ever regarding energy efficency. But it is fun to make experiments with it.
The overclocked i5-2500K in my flagship rig is running very cool in idle mode. Usually not more than between 30-35°C. Even cooler if the ambient temperature drops in the winter. It's possibly to reach close to 25°C. This with a clock speed of 4.2GHz (900MHz faster than the base clock an still 500MHz faster than the stock turbo clock). It's still an air cooled rig, but it has a really massive Noctua top-down CPU cooler with two 140mm fans and also some very powerful case fans. Under full load, it usually gets not beyond 45°C.
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Post by elysion on Jul 25, 2012 2:44:37 GMT
I was "able" to get up to 80°C temp with the Pentium D 830 with the stock intel CPU cooler. At 80°C the processor is "throttling" down to prevent overheating. When "throttling", the CPU is actually getting slower than it could with appropriate temps.
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Post by elysion on Jul 25, 2012 3:03:50 GMT
Someone directed me to this as I'm interested in how to build and the minmum specs required for a good dedicated computer AV. Just for a good read and many of the things you may already know. But take note it's just good enough for computer audio only. As I needed a dedicated computer for AV + gaming, this is definitely not enough for me. I will pick up the pieces of what I can use though. Enjoy the read: www.computeraudiophile.com/content/405-computer-audiophile-pocket-server-caps-v20/It don't see much in this article what would be worth to copy. Basically, he's using a CRAP motherboard (=> Jetway YUK!) in a VERY expensive Origen-AE enclosure and is tossing out a lot of money for overpriced components. The used SSD is also from the crap department (just like the used Transcend memory). The SandForce controllers aren't know for good reliability and this one isn't even a current model with good speed. It makes no sense to use a real fast SSD with a mainboard that is so slow. Even seen from an audio only viewpoint, the system is too slow. It's too slow to enjoy W7 for example and also not much fun with fully fledged Linux distros. The external PSU is still a SMPS and not even a good one. When going the external way for the PSU, a linear PSU would be IMO a better (and possible) choice for such a small systems. This is certainly one benefit of using an Atom based rig: The lower power demands would allow the use of a linear or toroid PSU. The only ingredients that are special are the filters and the special PCI card with the USB ports. If those additions make a difference is an entirely different question. IMO a bit senseless to go for filters and special PCI cards while feeding a crap mainboard with an ordinary external SMPS. You can have much better (audio) computers for a lot less money.
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Post by elysion on Jul 25, 2012 3:14:23 GMT
A bunch of overpriced crap IMO. Did someone notice what he has paid for the SOtM tX-USB? The Origenae M10 is also extremely expensive. 320$? This must be a joke... A very bad joke IMO. The guy that was building this computer has IMO no real IT knowledge. Otherwise, he would have selected better components. I'm not referring to the filters and the SOtM tx-USB here. Even when going the Atom route, there are much better boards aroud for this purpose. Instead of buying an expensive SOtM tx-USB and attaching some external USB audio interface/DAC, it would be a better option IMO to go for a really good audio card from the Xonar series. Also no need for filter there since the better Xonar cards already have filters and are shielded well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2012 3:29:40 GMT
Why don't you become a C.A. member and tell the owner of that forum with around 130,000 members that he has NFI ? ;D
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Post by elysion on Jul 25, 2012 3:33:47 GMT
Why don't you become a C.A. member and tell the owner of that forum with around 130,000 members that he has NFI ? ;D Simply because I don't spend my time with idiots like those on C.A. Period. BTW: Facebook has more than 900 million members. Are you thinking that these guys are very intelligent?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2012 3:55:56 GMT
I wouldn't build one of those either, but Mac owners seem easily led. Hell, some of those appliance operators even like valves !
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Post by elysion on Jul 25, 2012 4:29:37 GMT
Don't worry, Chong. It will be quite easy for you to get a better system than described in the article.
I'll help for sure. And Alex and the others like Javier, Marc, pagan etc. probably also.
A note regarding the OrigenAE cases: These cases are known for looking very good. But they cost an extreme amount of money. The displays in the frontpanel is probably a cost factor, but below the line it's still a rip-off. They sell other cases for even more money. I don't say that OrigenAE makes bad cases. But they are not good value IMO. There are good alternatives around.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2012 5:29:10 GMT
Presently, the only thing through my main system that does it justice, is Allan Pagan's little media PC with a Corsair plugged in. My Oppo 981 and Samsung BluRay player, even with a few improvements are the weak links in comparison with my PC Audio. I am not willing to move my PC to my listening room, and I don't wish to degrade what I have with a Network of any kind. Perhaps Allan can give more info on his present setup ?
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Post by XTRProf on Jul 25, 2012 6:34:55 GMT
It was dismantling time a few days ago to get ready for a new young at heart inside. In other words, turbo charged it under the pretax of a Mr Bean's car. So the star here from the operation taken ................ The old hat from more than 10 years ago. Well, still have some hope for this faded old clanger. Faded away but just wouldn't die in the garbage. More of her in all ways possible except the exciting bottom. Well, the hole was for this. It will be discarded as it's an IDE bay. Big enough from all the years with her, eh? More .......... Strip tease time!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2012 6:41:46 GMT
What kind of gaming are you interested in Chong? hi Rez FPS? role? strategy?
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Post by XTRProf on Jul 25, 2012 6:43:05 GMT
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Post by XTRProf on Jul 25, 2012 6:56:27 GMT
What kind of gaming are you interested in Chong? hi Rez FPS? role? strategy? All sorts as long as it's nice. Must be able to take Battlefield 3 though. Obviously in hirez, if possible, as I have the screens for it.
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Post by XTRProf on Jul 25, 2012 7:19:21 GMT
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Post by XTRProf on Jul 25, 2012 7:35:04 GMT
It's an Intel, man! But it will be discarded. The heart and probaly still functional. A good heart and never gave me much problem. The PC kaput was due to not booting up 2 years ago. The PSU still boot up thru the Intel board except Win XP booting up, no video and can't shutdown on pressing the off button again, if I remember correctly. Maybe one of the RAM card kaput. Ah, the Pentium 3 800 Mhz CPU will be kept, cleaned and boxed for memory of the 10 years ago milestone in my personal computing at home.
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Post by XTRProf on Jul 25, 2012 7:52:19 GMT
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Post by XTRProf on Jul 25, 2012 8:06:51 GMT
Well, game over and end of strip show. Now complelely bare all ............. These PATA ribbon cables will obviously go and replaced by SATA cables. Btw, is there any difference in cables between SATA 1, 2 and 3? Or it's just the chip interfaces that change all things fast or slower. Ah, obviously, these will be kept although the diskette drive wouldn't be used anymore. But how we know. All will be changed to SATA bridge interfaces. Although the diskette was long obsolete, but surprisingly it's still openly sold new at least locally.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2012 8:25:20 GMT
What would be your budget for the new PC?
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Post by XTRProf on Jul 25, 2012 8:26:54 GMT
There are areas that need maintenance and they are identified as: 1) Aiyah, the screen rusted! So in the list. 2) Rusted and dusted too and if kept .............. So in the list. 3) You see, you see. Yellow, yellow. dirty fellow. So in the list. All yellow, yellow, dirty fellows will be in th list. 4) All intake and outtake fans will be cleaned, oil and regreased if kept. 5) Last but not least, the casing internal needs to be dusted and cleaned too.
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