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Post by UzminiNu on Apr 10, 2012 1:06:03 GMT
Damn i bought a D1100 tonight...i think i shall stop now...
The reflections are "tasty" compared to other "reflecting" cans. Honky mid's? People tell stories about poor fit and squeaky hinges. Bullshit. For me the comfort trumps all they audible nuances, and they reasonably priced:D. Excellent for late night listening. And nobody gets disturbed by violent loudness.
How is the comfort compared to the D2000?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2012 5:51:54 GMT
Damn i bought a D1100 tonight...i think i shall stop now... The reflections are "tasty" compared to other "reflecting" cans. Honky mid's? People tell stories about poor fit and squeaky hinges. Bullshit. For me the comfort trumps all they audible nuances, and they reasonably priced:D. Excellent for late night listening. And nobody gets disturbed by violent loudness. How is the comfort compared to the D2000? eh? The a 500 I felt was a bit honky. You've changed model number. The D1100 is quite bassy I think.
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Post by UzminiNu on Apr 10, 2012 7:42:52 GMT
Nah i was talking about the A500. And meanwhile i was thinkering about the A500 "accidentally" bought the Denon D1100. Was it the wine or the other addiction .
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Post by XTRProf on Apr 10, 2012 7:48:55 GMT
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Post by UzminiNu on Apr 10, 2012 8:41:40 GMT
Yes, the D1100 are lower priced, 65 GBP from amazon. D1100 have 50mm angled drivers, the D1001 and Aurvana 40mm and are completely different. There are 2 kind of people out there, some say the D1100 are great the other say they no good. 100% sure the D1100 are not as good as the D2000 in terms of detail, balanced sound and are bass heavy, entertaining. Probably will use the D1100 as semi-portable headphones if i get tired of in-ears.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2012 9:05:50 GMT
Kaspars, I'm absolutely delighted with the D2000. From what I've heard, the 1100 is a bit metallic in the top with a fatter and woolier bass.
I know it's a lot more but in the long run .........
The D2000 really gives a different perspective on recorded music and if it shows this weakness in the cup join, I'll be quite upset because they are a really nice headphone.
In fact, my hd650 is having a holiday for a while because the D2000 is just more entertaining and is still very revealing.
Mine have been running for about 50 hours now. I'm absolutely hooked on its sound.
The Neco Mosfet is a cracker amp with this headphone. It produces a lovely 'vibrancy' in the treble and a really nice clear cut bass line. The Neco is really nice actually and doesn't seem to be put off by a 25 ohm headphone whatsoever.
I'm hearing much bigger contrasts between amps than I'm used to. The differences are much more clearly defined with the D2000 than any other headphone that I have. I'm not sure whether it's because they are such low impedance headphones and some amps just don't like that kind of load on them or whether they are just a more revealing headphone. I'm finding myself being more fussy about the amp with them.
You may not like the D1100 Kaspars. BTW - has the HA10 amp gone off to Jeff yet?
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Post by UzminiNu on Apr 10, 2012 21:58:53 GMT
Will send it tomorrow as i have a day off.
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Post by XTRProf on Apr 10, 2012 23:31:55 GMT
Ian,
As a point fo reference, how far away from the PS1000 is this D2000 when using the same amp as you used for the D2000? Also, which you prefer? The Grado or the Denon sound wrt to Live feed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2012 7:42:06 GMT
I don't know Chong. I borrowed the PS from Mick when he (really generously) sent them for me to hear when he bought them. Such a kind man - I never got over that!!!
The PS1000 was really good but a very different sound sig I think. The Denon sounds 'fatter' but I remember the Ps had a lovely clarity.
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Post by XTRProf on Apr 11, 2012 8:03:31 GMT
The Denon sounds 'fatter' but I remember the Ps had a lovely clarity. Ah, you heard it too. The Grado sound! So I'm not hallucinating and can go to sleep with a peace of mind after that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2012 17:40:42 GMT
I went down to Brighton today and went into HMV. Same headphone £249. Yet the HMV in Lakeside was selling it at £199. Something not quite right with HMV pricing here. Oh well, mine was £120 below the dear price. However, iot is on the internet for £180. My opinion is that this is a bargain price for it. Left on my hit list for audtion but verging on silly prices....... AT 1000x & 5000x Senn HD800 Cheaper - AKG K550. (Would LOVE to hear them now!!) Now .... the more expensive Denons as well, I think. Add that lot up and it's a lot of money. Maybe I'll out all the headphones I rarely use to pay for a K550. Trouble is, I like them all for different reasons. Oh ... Kaspars, I listened to the D1100 today. It's OK. Not brilliant. Still has a big fat bass but treble isn't as refined as the d2000. I compared them directly with each other - they were side by side in the shop. The treble had a different quality - a kind of shhhh sound instead of ssssss in cymbals. Just not quite as clean souding. Comfortable though. Build not brilliant but OK. Worth the money imo. BTW, those ones you ordered on Amazon take 3 - 5 weeks to deliver. That's a long wait. Another bargain: (D1100) slrhut.co.uk/product/ID39C29/google
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2012 19:39:14 GMT
Hi Ian, you can play with mine if you like (HD800`s that is!!) cant help with the others on your list. Pleased your enjoying your Denons, sounds like you got yourself a great listen at the price you have paid!!. You will find the 800`s totally different to the Denons, and indeed the PS1000`s, but they certainly have something magical about them. Headphones are the most frustrating musical devices ever invented in IMHO. Don`t have the same issues with David Clark headsets!. Just purchased the DT 1350`s. Now, on all "electronica" type music which i really like (your fault ;D) they are just awesome for a small portable HP. However, on male voice i`m finding them totally frustrating, most of the time. Just don`t sound right to me, no matter what they are fed by, much prefer my Portapros for all round music satisfaction( which incidentally are far superior to a pr of standard ones i now own, perhaps i just got a great sounding pr of ltd edition ones.... i don`t know!!.) Frans loves his 1350`s, and i really like mine, but for only one genre of music at present, horses for courses as they say: . However all is almost forgiven when i donn the HE-6`s driven by the EF5 (MK 11) which i now have. These just blow me away do very little wrong musically to my ears in all genres of music. These are now MY reference pr of HP`s. Mick.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2012 20:16:28 GMT
Hi Mick, I forgot about the DT1350!!! I must admit, I'm curious about them too but the fit bothers me. I can't wear 'on ears' for very long. I have the Fanny Wang things which are 'low fi' for sure. Kind of similar to Dr Dre's. I can only wear them for 30 minutes to an hour. Same with Senn HD25 but I don't tend to use them for long periods of time - just as a quick monitor. The closed headphone market is the difficult one for me. There's not one that I think is 'right' for me. The D2000 isn't what you'd say is 'closed'. It lets a lot of sound through but it has the bass traits of a closed headphone with a treble like an 'open' headphone!! You know, the Portapro does it for me too!! Funny isn't it? A cheap little headphone like that. It took me a long time to accept that headphones are just not 'flat' so it's more a question of suiting your head and taste in sound and accepting that it's just not flat!!!! More and more these days, I'm looking for musical entertainment rather than 'flat and accurate.' Once you settle for that, you become musically satisfied I think...... I use voices as a pointer for headphones. With men and womens' voices, you often hear a bias very quickly. It's a question of how much 'bias' you can accept and settle with. Do you find that with your more discerning headphones' that differences in amps become larger? I am. With the Denons, I'm much more aware of what the amp does and so far, the Neco Mosfet has really showed itself to be a good match with the D2000. It sounds rich, but the 'harmonic' content seems more lively so bass strings have a lovely 'twang' in them. Also with time .... I feel the need for bass. Not only more quantity, but a cleaner type of bass. The other thing I've noticed is that the Denons can produce bass similar to the DT770 in quantity, but it's more 'tuneful' and in control so although it's strong, it doesn't take over. The other problem, I'm afraid, is that it points out valve amps starkly. (Not V2 though) You really can hear that you are listening to a valve and it is giving me some problems in the HF. I'm much more aware of it and the Bravo for instance, sounds awful. The headphones seem to highlight the shortcomings of valves; or maybe cheap valves, I should say. I haven't had any other headphone that starkly shows what valves do like these. It has also made me feel slightly unconvinced by them with better headphones. Great with others, but the Denons are telling me something that I'm not too happy about with valves. I (think) I can hear grunge in the top register and it kind of masks the treble extension for me. It's not awful, but I am aware of it much more now than I have been before. Many headphones seem to do a great 'masking' job. I'm not certain what it is, but there is a skew that I 'hear' or 'perceive' in FR on valves. So, the better the headphone, watch out for the amp behind it, I guess. It could cost a lot of money. I do now feel the need for a higher quality amp. As far as 'Elecronica' goes, Mick - I always need a harmonic rich sound for it. I often find recordings dull because the rich 'harmonic' sound that I hear live is missing from recordings. It brings back the rows of the 80's with engineers regarding how sounds ended up. I was assured they were there in the recording, but I'm blowed if I could hear them!!! Modern recordings are much better in that respect and people like 'Shpongle' sound excellent on disc. I guess the tech guys are more on the ball now. It was possible in the 70's and 80's though. I remember hearing 'The Who Live at Leeds' when it came out and was gobsmacked at the rich, fruity harmonics in the recording, coming from the bass. The better cartridges produce that richness while others boomed away or others (like many Ortofons) squeaked away. I never forgot a lovely Koetsu cartridge that was just awsome for richness and harmonics, but the price ......... and in those days ... Maybe I'm just too fussy!!!
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Post by Alberto01 on Apr 12, 2012 4:43:48 GMT
Has anybody here tried the Technics RP-DH1200 or the PIONEER HDJ-1000? How do they compare to the DENON AH-D2000 in sound quality?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2012 7:41:42 GMT
Technics RP-DH1200 and the DENON AH-D2000 are completely different sounding headphones. (never heard the PIONEER HDJ-1000) They are intended for totally different target groups (DJ or wannabe DJ and HiFi lover) Whether one considers the Technics RP-DH1200 or DENON AH-D2000 as better sounding depends on personal factors and perhaps even music type. Some even like Fanny Wangs while owning a D2000 ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2012 7:57:32 GMT
;D I know, it's shameful isn't it? Actually, they mask problems better. The Denons highlight them. Anyway, we all have out addictions. (cough - Portapro )
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2012 9:11:17 GMT
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Yes i find choice of Amp does make a contribution to the end result, but relatively small, if you are happy with the general SQ of a particular HP. This can be a positive or negative influence of course.
I find that i`m drawn to using the PS1000`s with the V3, producing best results to my ear. I vary the choice with my HD800`s, different amps have more influence on those, however, i do think they work extremely well with the CH Amp with 100 ohm setting. Of course the HE-6`s only work as they should on the EF5 or equivalent out-put Amp, as they require A LOT of power to perform correctly. Patiently waiting for Frans and Jeremy to come up with their high power alternative to try.
I used to think that the bass on the HD 250`s was pretty good, but after the HE-6`s, i`m afraid it was no longer the case, so i sold them.
No HP i have ever heard, other than the LCD3 comes even close to the bass line on the HE6-`s its superb, plenty of depth and so tight. The LCD3`s had perhaps a tadd more depth, but not as tight to my ear. In fact all departments of the HE-6`s are superb IMHO.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2012 9:25:53 GMT
Maybe the HE6 is the way for me to go as well, Mick.
I haven't realised for a while how little bass I get at home. Trouble is that cheaper headphones that produce bass don't give a 'good' bass. It thumps and takes over whereas a cleaner bass is much more 'hear through' and doesn't take over in spite of being strong.
The Denon is capable of giving dt770 quantities on some stuff, but it's much more transparent as well so it gives the same impact with clarity above.
It kind of makes my HD650 seem dull and lifeless as well. It just seems to draw more detail out of the music if I'm honest.
Go to a cheap headphone that also produces bass (Like the dreaded Fanny Wangs) and you realise that a lot of these cheap headphones do produce quantity of bass but at the expense of clarity in the top. Maybe that's why so many headphones don't actually produce a full, deep bass?
I tried raising it on the K701 and K601 and they don't improve at all. They can produce bass but they also don't sound quite right and not as balanced as they do without it.
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Post by gommer on Apr 12, 2012 9:51:57 GMT
Ian,
Do you care to comment more on isolation? You've said isolation could be better.
But... How much do they leak to someone 2 to 3 m away in a quiet room? Would you be able to listen to music close to a TV set playing next to you?
Hard to answer, but could you please give us some impressions in this regard?
TIA, Marc
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2012 10:01:22 GMT
Hi Marc, The isolation I would say is poor with regards to sound coming in. Not sure about coming out. I'll try it. I use them as open headphones really and resort to the DT770 for closed. Therefore, I'd still like a really good closed headphone. Of course, if you turn them up, you can sit in a room with the tv on, but the Beyers or AT M50 are better. I use those two because they give a good solid bass which I now miss when I'm not using the Denons. For the moment, the Senn HD650 is having a holiday. The pads on the Denon are really soft and comfy and look like they'd seal really well. However, there is a 'sound balance' thing where they join the cups which lets sound in. It's something to do with optimising the sound for your head I think. Ian, Do you care to comment more on isolation? You've said isolation could be better. But... How much do they leak to someone 2 to 3 m away in a quiet room? Would you be able to listen to music close to a TV set playing next to you? Hard to answer, but could you please give us some impressions in this regard? TIA, Marc
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2012 11:29:48 GMT
Yes i totally agree Ian, ridiculous isnt it, never get tired of them, no matter what mood im in ( the way your feeling always plays a part in what your hearing) and i always just listen to the music instead of the HP`s with these little gems. Mick.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2012 12:07:44 GMT
My Senny HD238 fulfil that role for my ears and only cost slightly more.
Just a quick juggle to hit the sweet spot and I'm set.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2012 14:24:59 GMT
Maybe you all need a Fanny Wang. There's a funny comparison - Fanny verses Porta. Does a Wang beat a Pro?
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Post by gommer on Apr 12, 2012 15:00:19 GMT
Cheer Ian (for the isolation perspective). I was afraid that you would say what you did. I guess I'll be on the lookout for a RG review of the K550's now.
Marc
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2012 15:14:48 GMT
If I sell my headphones, I'll be reviewing it. I can't stand it ........... I'm listening to some orchestral stuff on the Denons now and imo, they are really close to real noises!! The bass completely disappears until a timp goes off and ... wham. Bass drums ...... Boom!!!! These are unbelievably good headphones. I hope that the weak joint doesn't rear its ugly head. I REALLY like this headphone a lot.
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