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Post by PinkFloyd on Sept 1, 2011 8:39:50 GMT
Well, your Sunrise sounded terrific, Mike. I wonder what's been done to them to reduce noise. I'll put it in a biscuit tin with holes punched in the top!! Or nick a colander from the kitchen. Tell you what - no chance of interference on Herm Island. It's only one and a half miles long and a boat ride for shopping. Electricity is too expensive to be wasted on interference!! Ian Make a Blue Peter style bacofoil hat for it mate
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Post by PinkFloyd on Sept 2, 2011 19:27:19 GMT
Unless things improve in the next couple of hours that Electro Harmonix 6922 will be thrown in the bin..... It's only been going for about an hour but sounds SO vague, it's like listening to shmaltz city a very "lardy", thick presentation with tubby bass.... holy crap, Ian, if you heard this you'd think I was having a joke with you I'll give it the benefit of the doubt, though, maybe it just needs a bit of cooking ( I have experienced this before). When is it you are back Ian? The heatsinks aren't here yet (hopefully tomorrow) but everything else is ready to go.... if the EH valve doesn't shape up by tomorrow I'll retrofit the 1969 6N23P.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2011 20:32:59 GMT
I was due to be back Monday, Mike but the sick guy has offered to come back today so I'm going home tomorrow night.
Booked flight and we're off!
I've had a multitude of accidents today (nothing serious) ending with a fish scaring the crap out of me so I need a rest!! A great big friggin' bass nearly took me to France.
No hurry, Mike. I thought I might be doing another week but I'm outta here!!
What does the Sunrise ship with? Bog standard 6922? it sounds to me like your tube tester is really refining the toob work.
No worries, I trust your lugs entirely! ;-)
Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Sept 2, 2011 20:49:07 GMT
No valve included Ian but I believe Jeremy ships the "full" kits with JJ electronics 6922 valves.... (current production things) they sounded like rubber bands twanging together (to my ears) 11 years ago www.rock-grotto.co.uk/valvetest.htmI REALLY must update that SWAMP of a website..... ELEVEN years ago? Seems like yesterday
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Post by PinkFloyd on Sept 2, 2011 20:54:00 GMT
Holy crap! Look at the prices eleven years ago... a "tenner" for a PAIR of JAN Philips 6922
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Post by PinkFloyd on Sept 2, 2011 21:19:08 GMT
As long as you are ok is the main thing Ian.... after slicing clean through my finger nail with a Gustav Emil blade I went one further..... I was listening to the new Aune X-Series Mini Dac a couple of nights ago, stood up to go to the toilet (forgot I had headphones on my head), tripped over the cord, fell over and "broke" my fall with my R/H thumb..... hand has been throbbing ever since and I put a Pinkie together today with my left hand..... No fish involved (although, Derek Dick played Thurso last night..... Fish of "Marillion" fame).... I was invited along by a local girl but declined (Fish was never my cup of cod at the best of times) and was not FIT to go out anyway! Left index finger without a nail, three teeth out, right hand out of action (throbbing like hell) and the idea of being subjected to "FISH" warbling out all his crap for three hours was never going to happen. We don't get ANY mainstream musicians up here (this far North) and there was a BUZZ in the town anticipating the arrival of "FISH"..... I'd rather fire staples into my nuts than listen to that type of crap.... anyhoo, each to their own I love the way that the John O' Groats journal "caps" locked the word ROCK A ROCK star! www.johnogroat-journal.co.uk/News/Thurso-gig-for-Scottish-rock-star-Fish-24082011.htm as if this was some MAJOR event Last time I saw "FISH" (ROCK STAR) was at knockhill (Fife, Scotland) when Knockhill was renamed "Rockhill" for the day.... top of the bill were the QUO.... he was absolutely DIRE, resplendent in a kilt (and a pair of boots) he was cringe worthy BAD "but" the locals loved him.... "Kayleigh" (altogether now / clap your hands you bastards type thing)....... I declined "Fish" last night as I KNOW I would have been quite "loud" in the audience ("Oi Dick head!) and would have possibly been thrown out of the door head first..... I am too fragile to endure further injury
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2011 23:27:19 GMT
Just as well you didn't fall over on the dangly bit !
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Post by Garage1217 on Sept 3, 2011 0:46:22 GMT
Sunrise will be shipping as of September 3rd with 6N23P russian valves built at the reflector plant / reflector logo stamped. I figured she needs to ship with a killer valve out of the box! These are more current 6n23p's with chrome pins which are excellent no doubt but for the absolute cream of the crop, Mikes vintage - nos matched 6n23p's are are the cats meow! Once you listen and really get time to know the sunrise, I definitely recommend picking up one of his select valves as your first tube to roll. Only bad part of that is, you will be disappointed in most others after you sample one lol. Have been waiting for them for a month and a half and they finally came in so have been testing them to make sure they are good. I can say out of ALL of the tubes I have rolled into Sunrise, without question the russian 6n23p's are the clear winner. I actually have not found anything that they perform poorly at. Definite thanks to Mike for turning me onto them. When I get time, I will put up a list of all I have personally used in Sunrise so far and it is not a small list so that says a lot about the russian 6n23p. To sum up a Russian 6n23p...- Very dynamic with no fatigue - Tight, detailed and DEEEEEEPPP bass. Bottomless is a better word - Mid and top end resolution and detail is simply perfect - Overall about as musical as it gets I was due to be back Monday, Mike but the sick guy has offered to come back today so I'm going home tomorrow night. Booked flight and we're off! I've had a multitude of accidents today (nothing serious) ending with a fish scaring the crap out of me so I need a rest!! A great big friggin' bass nearly took me to France. No hurry, Mike. I thought I might be doing another week but I'm outta here!! What does the Sunrise ship with? Bog standard 6922? it sounds to me like your tube tester is really refining the toob work. No worries, I trust your lugs entirely! ;-) Ian
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2011 6:37:05 GMT
Hi Jeremy,
The 6n23's certainly kick it out. I have 'eb's in my X-Cans and you get the same there.
Mike modded a V8 for me and a valve change on top with a Little Pinkie power supply kicked a lot more life into what I felt was a weak watery sound.
I'll have my own Sunrise soon!! :-)
Ian
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Post by geetarman49 on Sept 3, 2011 18:33:16 GMT
greets Jeremy, both you and Frans have confirmed that 6n1p works (how does it sound tho?), but what about 6n6p and 6n2p? i received my genuine '69 NOS 6n23p from Mike (thnx again, Mike) but haven't tried it out yet ... need to replace my vol pot first. Sunrise will be shipping as of September 3rd with 6N23P russian valves built at the reflector plant / reflector logo stamped. I figured she needs to ship with a killer valve out of the box! These are more current 6n23p's with chrome pins which are excellent no doubt but for the absolute cream of the crop, Mikes vintage - nos matched 6n23p's are are the cats meow! Once you listen and really get time to know the sunrise, I definitely recommend picking up one of his select valves as your first tube to roll. Only bad part of that is, you will be disappointed in most others after you sample one lol. Have been waiting for them for a month and a half and they finally came in so have been testing them to make sure they are good. I can say out of ALL of the tubes I have rolled into Sunrise, without question the russian 6n23p's are the clear winner. I actually have not found anything that they perform poorly at. Definite thanks to Mike for turning me onto them. When I get time, I will put up a list of all I have personally used in Sunrise so far and it is not a small list so that says a lot about the russian 6n23p. To sum up a Russian 6n23p...- Very dynamic with no fatigue - Tight, detailed and DEEEEEEPPP bass. Bottomless is a better word - Mid and top end resolution and detail is simply perfect - Overall about as musical as it gets I was due to be back Monday, Mike but the sick guy has offered to come back today so I'm going home tomorrow night. Booked flight and we're off! I've had a multitude of accidents today (nothing serious) ending with a fish scaring the crap out of me so I need a rest!! A great big friggin' bass nearly took me to France. No hurry, Mike. I thought I might be doing another week but I'm outta here!! What does the Sunrise ship with? Bog standard 6922? it sounds to me like your tube tester is really refining the toob work. No worries, I trust your lugs entirely! ;-) Ian
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Post by whiteghost on Sept 4, 2011 15:22:42 GMT
greets Jeremy, both you and Frans have confirmed that 6n1p works (how does it sound tho?), but what about 6n6p and 6n2p? i received my genuine '69 NOS 6n23p from Mike (thnx again, Mike) but haven't tried it out yet ... need to replace my vol pot first. What's wrong with your vol pot ?
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Post by Garage1217 on Sept 5, 2011 1:38:59 GMT
^ Shipping damage, sent another to him.
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Post by geetarman49 on Sept 7, 2011 17:42:52 GMT
correct ... thnx Jeremy.
have spent the greater part of the last 4 wks not listening to anything, fixing anything, or modding anything ... (that will come) ... just researching tubes for sunrise and experimental amp and t50rp mods.... when i'm done it will be sunrise/t50rp and kicking everything else out (hfi700/780, k701, hf-2).
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Post by Garage1217 on Sept 8, 2011 1:38:26 GMT
Yes, it does work spec wise, have not listened to one however greets Jeremy, both you and Frans have confirmed that 6n1p works (how does it sound tho?), but what about 6n6p and 6n2p? i received my genuine '69 NOS 6n23p from Mike (thnx again, Mike) but haven't tried it out yet ... need to replace my vol pot first. Sunrise will be shipping as of September 3rd with 6N23P russian valves built at the reflector plant / reflector logo stamped. I figured she needs to ship with a killer valve out of the box! These are more current 6n23p's with chrome pins which are excellent no doubt but for the absolute cream of the crop, Mikes vintage - nos matched 6n23p's are are the cats meow! Once you listen and really get time to know the sunrise, I definitely recommend picking up one of his select valves as your first tube to roll. Only bad part of that is, you will be disappointed in most others after you sample one lol. Have been waiting for them for a month and a half and they finally came in so have been testing them to make sure they are good. I can say out of ALL of the tubes I have rolled into Sunrise, without question the russian 6n23p's are the clear winner. I actually have not found anything that they perform poorly at. Definite thanks to Mike for turning me onto them. When I get time, I will put up a list of all I have personally used in Sunrise so far and it is not a small list so that says a lot about the russian 6n23p. To sum up a Russian 6n23p...- Very dynamic with no fatigue - Tight, detailed and DEEEEEEPPP bass. Bottomless is a better word - Mid and top end resolution and detail is simply perfect - Overall about as musical as it gets
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Post by whiteghost on Sept 8, 2011 16:10:27 GMT
Just tried to compare the E88CC Siemens Halske 62 NOS vs the 6N23P selected by mike...
The E88CC sounds good but it's too microphonics and noisy... you can throw it in a trash...
The 6N23P sounds really better !! and without noise, thanks again mike !
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Post by mrarroyo on Sept 8, 2011 22:34:10 GMT
^ If the E88CC Siemens is NOS it may get better after 20 - 25 hours of use. Another option is to use a high temperature o-ring to reduce micro-phonics.
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Post by whiteghost on Sept 10, 2011 13:11:07 GMT
^ If the E88CC Siemens is NOS it may get better after 20 - 25 hours of use. Another option is to use a high temperature o-ring to reduce micro-phonics. Perhaps but, now i've done other A/B tests, mike selected tube is far better than the E88CC Siemens... This vintage 6n23P has an excellent bass, with great quality, details and texture, and a tremendous extension : Not deep but abyssal... the 6N23P will stay in the Sunrise now Thanks for your input mrarroyo, i think i will try the o-ring, but not at this time, i don't have the time...
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Post by mrarroyo on Sept 10, 2011 14:45:02 GMT
I do not dispute that Mike's tube selection is better. I was hoping the Siemens valve would get better so it would not end on the trash bin.
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Post by whiteghost on Sept 10, 2011 15:32:10 GMT
Perhaps it was a BAD valve... (something broken inside, or not really a nos)...
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Post by whiteghost on Sept 13, 2011 8:56:14 GMT
are theses valves suitable for the Sunrise ? -ECC86 -ECC83 -ECC85
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Post by elysion on Sept 13, 2011 11:32:11 GMT
To add my two cents:
I've got EXCELLENT results with the vintage Philips E88CC SQ (Special Quality) tubes. These are made in the early 60's by Philips in Heerlen. The Amperex Buggle-Boys have also been made by Philips Heerlen.
If you get a chance to buy NOS Philips E88CC SQ's for a fair price, then I really can recommend them. These tubes have great bass, which is IMO better than that of the Russians, and the treble is really soft, but still very detailed. The overall sound signature is warm.
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Post by whiteghost on Oct 8, 2011 11:44:02 GMT
Hello, somebody gave me a tube which is an ECC86 (6GM8) : www.r-type.org/exhib/aaa1161.htmit seems that it's a 6V tube but it's specific for low voltage use, do you think the 13.5V Bias value is suitable for the ECC86 ?
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Post by 55dsl on Oct 8, 2011 14:35:23 GMT
This tube is really good, very open, clear, precise low and not too dark. Configuration with 10ohm HD650. The reflector is very good but more profound. Should I try a 990 Beyer I don't know where it was produced and the date
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Post by whiteghost on Oct 8, 2011 16:32:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2011 18:42:57 GMT
Hello, somebody gave me a tube which is an ECC86 (6GM8) : www.r-type.org/exhib/aaa1161.htmit seems that it's a 6V tube but it's specific for low voltage use, do you think the 13.5V Bias value is suitable for the ECC86 ? ALL tubes in the Sunrise should be adjusted to 13.5V
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