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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 7, 2009 20:22:57 GMT
I've always been curious about these purposeful looking 'phones so have, finally, pulled the plug and ordered both.... I figure, if I like them I'll keep them but, if not, they will be easy to sell on... both pairs should be here either tomorrow or Friday so I'll start off with an "out of the box" pictorial to get this thread started
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 9, 2009 19:43:57 GMT
Both pairs arrived today! The DT-100 in white and the DT-150 in black. First impressions? These things are built like Panzer tanks! As solid as a rock.... you could take a hammer to these brick shithouses and it would just bounce off... seriously well made Almost every part is user replaceable from the headband to the earpads to the drivers to the cable.... well, everything.... these are the best built headphones I have ever seen without a shadow of a doubt. I've started off with the DT-150 and they are bedding in as I type. Straight out of the box they sounded like absolute TURD and I thought "oh no!" but 6 hours down the line they have come on song and I just know I'm gonna love these bad boys! The presentation is fantastic with a very wide soundstage for a pair of closed 'phones.... the detail retrieval is pretty spectacular I can hear things on certain recordings that just didn't appear to be there before, you can really get into the mix listening to these, no wonder the recording studios love them. The bass is lovely and ripe, quite tight and fast.... it integrates well with the informative midrange and sweet treble and all this through the little NG27 amplifier.... I will have to power them with something a bit more serious to really get these babies to sing to their full potential but, for the time being, the NG27 is doing a fine job. Comfort levels are good which isn't surprising as these are designed for the rigours of the recording studio.... you look like a total dickhead with them on so they definitely are not for portable duty unless you want people to throw stones at you Forget all this "Hi-Fi headphones" BULLSHIT..... I have been listening to them for years and the best headphones I have ever heard lately are so called "pro" headphones..... I don't know why it's taken me "this" long to discover that they beat the pants off these so called "Hi-Fi" headphones and they're a damned sight cheaper and better built into the bargain! The biggest let down with open backed "Hi-Fi" headphones has always been the bass (or the lack of it).... not the case with these "pro" closed back 'phones.... there's bass in spadeloads..... PLUS the midrange detail retrieval from these 'phones absolutely craps all over most "hi-Fi" variants. It wasn't too long ago I was trumpeting the ATH W-1000 as the best things since sliced bread, they really were the best I'd heard at the time..... the DT-150 crap all over them from a great height, sure they don't have a nice wooden finish but my god they beat them hands down in the sonics dept. more depth, more width, more detail, truckloads more bass..... A lesson well learnt.... things labelled "Hi-Fi" doesn't always mean "best" sound quality and things costing a lot of money sometimes don't sound as good as things costing little..... Hell, ask yourself the question..... "why do all the recording studios, radio stations, outside broadcasts etc,. use 'phones like the DT-150?" because they sound crap? NO! because they sound bloody accurate! I am a convert to the "pro" arena and will be ebaying all my "hi-Fi" 'phones very shortly.... AFAIAC the likes of Senn HD-250ll linear, Senn HD-25/1 (for portable use) and Beyer DT-150 are the way to go if you want to hear everything on the recording the way it was intended.... the "Hi-Fi" 'phones are way too pastuerised and anemic sounding, I just can't listen to them anymore. I will report back when these have got a good few hours on them and once I have amped them with something a bit more meaty than the NG27...... I'll crack open the DT-100 tomorrow and give them a good workout on the receiver out in the workshop. In the meantime..... a few photos
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 9, 2009 21:43:28 GMT
Oh hell..... just fired the DT-100 up and they are AWFUL!! ZERO Bass, Tinny and anemic sounding.... these are going back, the worst pair of 'phones I've heard in a long time
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Post by merton on Oct 9, 2009 23:42:07 GMT
can you post a pic of how deep the dt150 cups are?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2009 1:16:34 GMT
can you post a pic of how deep the dt150 cups are? T ???hey sure aren't a 38D cup !
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Post by merton on Oct 10, 2009 1:43:02 GMT
and can you post a pic of them on your head too? i've gotta see!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2009 9:04:54 GMT
Oh hell..... just fired the DT-100 up and they are AWFUL!! ZERO Bass, Tinny and anemic sounding.... these are going back, the worst pair of 'phones I've heard in a long time Could that be the impedance difference? The DT100's are 400 ohm I think, to be compatible with studio setups. A lot of cameramen use them but maybe they like the tinny sound for vocals? It's funny 'cos my 150 oozes bass and you'd think the DT100 has a lot in common. Maybe a DT770/880 thing - opposites almost!! Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 10, 2009 10:52:55 GMT
can you post a pic of how deep the dt150 cups are? Sure, will get camera out later on.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 10, 2009 10:55:08 GMT
Oh hell..... just fired the DT-100 up and they are AWFUL!! ZERO Bass, Tinny and anemic sounding.... these are going back, the worst pair of 'phones I've heard in a long time Could that be the impedance difference? The DT100's are 400 ohm I think, to be compatible with studio setups. A lot of cameramen use them but maybe they like the tinny sound for vocals? It's funny 'cos my 150 oozes bass and you'd think the DT100 has a lot in common. Maybe a DT770/880 thing - opposites almost!! Ian I've since tried the DT-100 with a couple of "meaty" amps Ian and they are fckin' AWFUL..... hardly any bass at all, shrill and tinny.... I've put them back in their box and will be returning for a refund.... it's a pity because I prefer the white finish to the black of the DT-150 ;D
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 10, 2009 10:57:06 GMT
and can you post a pic of them on your head too? i've gotta see! NO way!
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 10, 2009 11:17:32 GMT
They appear to do a 16 ohm version of the DT-100 which may give better results?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2009 11:32:30 GMT
and can you post a pic of them on your head too? i've gotta see! NO way! Mike Wise move. Your face could have ended up featuring in one of MERTON's canvas "masterpieces " Alex
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2009 12:09:59 GMT
They appear to do a 16 ohm version of the DT-100 which may give better results? Pity about the 400 ohm version. I was looking forward to your comparison 'cos you are honest about what you hear and don't give a monkeys about new toys. It may be something to do with input/output matching cos I know a lot of people use them. Looking forward to your impressions of dt150. Fantastic for working with because they would stand a bomb attack. I've sat on them, dropped them, soaked them, swung them and the bastards just don't break!! The Dt100 16 ohm version are gonna soak up current and produce a lot of noise. I've seen them advertised but not heard of anyone actually using them. You gonna go for it? Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 10, 2009 14:27:06 GMT
They appear to do a 16 ohm version of the DT-100 which may give better results? Pity about the 400 ohm version. I was looking forward to your comparison 'cos you are honest about what you hear and don't give a monkeys about new toys. It may be something to do with input/output matching cos I know a lot of people use them. Looking forward to your impressions of dt150. Fantastic for working with because they would stand a bomb attack. I've sat on them, dropped them, soaked them, swung them and the bastards just don't break!! The Dt100 16 ohm version are gonna soak up current and produce a lot of noise. I've seen them advertised but not heard of anyone actually using them. You gonna go for it? Ian Since my last post I have tried the DT-100 with SEVEN of my amps and they are the shittiest pair of headphones I have EVER heard without a shadow of a doubt.... It's honestly like listening to those earplugs that come with cheap transistor radios... HORRIBLE! I assume these people that rave about the DT-100 must either be stone deaf or are listening to speech.... there is absolutely NO bass at all.... no amount of tweaking or amping will make these things sound anything other than TURD. I will not be trying the 16 ohm version, once bitten twice shy..... the freq response of these DT-100's is 30 - 20,000Hz, the DT-150 are 5 - 30,000 Hz.... The DT-150 are continuing to bed in and they are bloody lovely sounding 'phones for the money.... not as energetic and vibrant as the Superlux 681, more on the warmer side of neutral, but still a good, honest sounding pair of cans
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Post by merton on Oct 10, 2009 17:36:10 GMT
NO way! Mike Wise move. Your face could have ended up featuring in one of MERTON's canvas "masterpieces " Alex hush!
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 10, 2009 19:10:36 GMT
Merton.... when you say "depth of the cups" what do you mean? The distance between the front of the pads and the back of the cups or a picture facing "into" the cups?
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 10, 2009 20:53:06 GMT
Pity about the 400 ohm version. I was looking forward to your comparison 'cos you are honest about what you hear and don't give a monkeys about new toys. Thanks Ian. I have no reason other than to be brutally honest.... I certainly don't hold onto crap gear and try and convince myself, and the rest of the world, that it's "good".... nope, if it sounds like turd then I call it turd and do my best to get a refund! There's no point me waffling on about the DT-100, they are absolutely, by far, without a shadow of a doubt the most anemic and flat out TINNY pair of, so called, headphones I have ever had on my head..... they may be perfectly good for voice (and probably are) but for music duty they are absolutely attrocious with a capital A. Distance selling regulations are a good thing cause I'll get a full refund, so no harm done.... I would REALLY hate having to be stuck with these lemons. As I said earlier, pity the DT-150 didn't come in white..... I really like the white finish on the DT-100.... oh well, you can't have your cake and eat it ;D 24 hours in and the DT-150 have blossomed in the mids ever so slightly.... Listening to the carpenters (don't shoot me!) out of the little NG27 amp and feel like I'm in the studio with them sitting at the mixing desk " jambalaya and a crawfish pie and fillet gumbo" Yeeehaw! Did I mention these DT-150 are intimate and revealing? beautifully balanced too.... the bass is slightly wooly in places but I'm hoping it blooms with a few more hours of usage.... I just get the feeling that everything is holding back slightly and that's usually indicative of virgin drivers that haven't fully loosened up. They may be 250ohms but are pretty easy to drive even sounding VERY respectable out of the head out of an ipod.... they won't blow your head off with volume but moderate, meaty levels can be achieved at 3/4 ipod volume.... you'd look a bit of a pratt out and about with these 'phones on your head but I thought I'd mention it anyways They seem to have particularly good synergy with the X-Can V2 and can be driven to quite tooth loosening levels if required.... they are also particularly good with the Mr. DouDou... as previously mentioned, excellent with the Ha Info NG27..... I have yet to try the Graham Ike range of amps (sorry, Graham "Slee")...... I'll hook them up to the Solo, Novo and Voyager tomorrow. No doubting the bullet proof design of these, I stood up earlier and the cable was trapped under my foot..... it just popped out of the headphones and no damage was done The cable comes with a securing screw which fixes the cable to the headphone housing but I'd recommend you don't fit it.... the connection is tight enough without the screw and if the screw had been in place earlier on the cable wouldn't have popped out and could have possibly damaged the cable. Ian, I don't know what you get up to when listening " I've sat on them, dropped them, soaked them, swung them and the bastards just don't break!" but you are obviously a more "active" listener than I am..... I doubt I will EVER break the DT-150, they are built like the battleship Bismark.... I mostly listen sitting on a chair, away from water and don't have any inclination to "swing" them about..... I do get pissed occasionally and may "trip" on the cord, but I've addressed that one already Soooooooooooo...... what more is there to say about this bullet proof, relatively cheap "pro" 'phone? Not a lot, really, except don't hesitate to include it on your short list of "Hi-Fi" 'phones.... it'll beat the pants off most of them SQ wise and will DEFINITELY beat them, hands down in the BQ dept. (build quality) It won't compete with them in the BS dept. though.... the "Hi-Fi" 'phones are light years ahead of the DT-150 as far as BS is concerned " Calling occupants of interplanetary most extraordinary craft" I never knew the Carpenters sounded this good!
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 10, 2009 20:57:51 GMT
Interesting to see the plug having 6 pins, wonder why that is so? Well....... they are "pro" mate.... six is twice as much as three..... it's much the same as the "eleven" position on the volume dial (one more than 10)...... you only get this with pro gear...... "11" and "six pins" means you are a PRO! I'll get my multimeter out and see exactly what these 6 pins are doing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2009 21:31:20 GMT
2 dead pins I think? I've dropped beer on them and they survived. Don't use them at home. Only at work so I'm accustomed to how they sound there. They are also connected with a very long lead to the outputs so I'm listening from afar. I'll have to bring them home to listen on hi fi now, (Thanks to Pinkie) or buy another pair since mine are old and abused. Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 10, 2009 21:36:46 GMT
Only at work so I'm accustomed to how they sound there. They are also connected with a very long lead to the outputs so I'm listening from afar. What, if you don't mind me asking, do you listen to Ian?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2009 22:09:00 GMT
Only at work so I'm accustomed to how they sound there. They are also connected with a very long lead to the outputs so I'm listening from afar. What, if you don't mind me asking, do you listen to Ian? Myself!! Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 10, 2009 22:18:02 GMT
What, if you don't mind me asking, do you listen to Ian? Myself!! Ian Better than listening to a nagging woman I suppose ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2009 22:24:23 GMT
Better than listening to a nagging woman I suppose ;D LOL. Good song title there! Trouble is, with my music, I know what shit's coming next whereas ...... No better not say it. ;D Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 10, 2009 22:53:26 GMT
Better than listening to a nagging woman I suppose ;D LOL. Good song title there! Trouble is, with my music, I know what shit's coming next whereas ...... No better not say it. ;D Ian Why not "say it"? Why should we be in fear of what a "nagging" woman should have to say? To hell with them..... they are a pain in the arse.... constantly moaning, constantly trying to get us to conform to their ways..... BOLLOCKS! I am a MAN and can easily live without a vagina (they are over-rated) I'm sick of women telling me how "they" think "I" should behave..... sod the lot of them!
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Post by merton on Oct 11, 2009 0:19:18 GMT
Merton.... when you say "depth of the cups" what do you mean? The distance between the front of the pads and the back of the cups or a picture facing "into" the cups? Mike. distance between the front of the pads and the back facing at an angle into the cups.
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