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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2009 8:07:16 GMT
LOL. Good song title there! Trouble is, with my music, I know what shit's coming next whereas ...... No better not say it. ;D Ian Why not "say it"? Why should we be in fear of what a "nagging" woman should have to say? To hell with them..... they are a pain in the arse.... constantly moaning, constantly trying to get us to conform to their ways..... BOLLOCKS! I am a MAN and can easily live without a vagina (they are over-rated) I'm sick of women telling me how "they" think "I" should behave..... sod the lot of them! OMG!!! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_vaginaIan
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2009 8:18:10 GMT
Why not "say it"? Why should we be in fear of what a "nagging" woman should have to say? To hell with them..... they are a pain in the arse.... constantly moaning, constantly trying to get us to conform to their ways..... BOLLOCKS! I am a MAN and can easily live without a vagina (they are over-rated) I'm sick of women telling me how "they" think "I" should behave..... sod the lot of them! OMG!!! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_vaginaIan Ian But does it come in Yello ? Mike has been creaming his pants over Yello ! SandyK
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2009 8:20:49 GMT
Ian But does it come in Yello10SandyK This site just cracks me up. I often print out stuff for the guys at work 'cos there's a script in here. I think it comes in squeaks. Ian
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2009 14:58:46 GMT
Yes we are a bunch of dirty old man! Wouldn't have it any other way. Hang on a minute. You bunch of perverts have been following us around. I've just twigged....... OK you guys ... buy the new Yello album and listen to it on the DT150. The bass is sublime and the 150's will shake yer bones. Ian
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2009 15:35:25 GMT
I have yet to try the Graham Ike range of amps (sorry, Graham "Slee")...... I'll hook them up to the Solo, Novo and Voyager tomorrow. My experience so far with the DT770/Solo isn't so good Mike. The Solo sucks the mids out and seems to emphasise sibilance. In fact, the DT770's sound better on cheap portable amps. I'm going to have to delve into a valve amp some time or maybe modify the amp. I'll bring my DT150's home and try them as well. Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 11, 2009 21:44:54 GMT
I have yet to try the Graham Ike range of amps (sorry, Graham "Slee")...... I'll hook them up to the Solo, Novo and Voyager tomorrow. My experience so far with the DT770/Solo isn't so good Mike. The Solo sucks the mids out and seems to emphasise sibilance. In fact, the DT770's sound better on cheap portable amps. I'm going to have to delve into a valve amp some time or maybe modify the amp. I'll bring my DT150's home and try them as well. Ian DT-770? The is the DT-150 thread ;D I tried the DT-150 with the Novo earlier but it made them sound kinda bright..... nice but "bright".... I didn't leave them connected for long, I've gone right off that kind of presentation these days, preferring a full bodied type of thing with plenty of grunt in the lower regions..... I'll pull the Solo out one of these days, give it a dust off, and see if it fares any better
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2009 16:50:35 GMT
My experience so far with the DT770/Solo isn't so good Mike. The Solo sucks the mids out and seems to emphasise sibilance. In fact, the DT770's sound better on cheap portable amps. I'm going to have to delve into a valve amp some time or maybe modify the amp. I'll bring my DT150's home and try them as well. Ian DT-770? The is the DT-150 thread ;D I tried the DT-150 with the Novo earlier but it made them sound kinda bright..... nice but "bright".... I didn't leave them connected for long, I've gone right off that kind of presentation these days, preferring a full bodied type of thing with plenty of grunt in the lower regions..... I'll pull the Solo out one of these days, give it a dust off, and see if it fares any better Sorry Mike, just wondered about the Solo doing the same thing with the DT150 since there's a kind of kinship with these two for me. We had some perverts earlier on in the thread as well, but hey, that's what I like about this place. You can talk a load of bollocks and then suddenly, someone comes out with a gem. (Even about the topic being discussed!!) I'll bring my DT 150's home and see if they do the same thing. The Solo and Beyers are not quite right for me which is why I was talking about the 770. Lots of top, a bit more 'thud' but the middle seems to go on vacation. I'm going in tomorrow, so I'll try them with the Solo too. Ian
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2009 18:30:48 GMT
Well, I brought them home. Had to change the lead 'cos they have two separate connectors at work for each side (XLR's). What surprised me about the spare lead that I have is that it has a dual plug so that you can use a normal jack or a mini-jack. I thought that a bit odd on a 'studio' headphone, but then again, maybe a lot of hi-fi people are buying them for Ippd use? (Weird)
Anyway, it seems way more veiled via the Solo. The trouble is that I am used to them on a different set up where it seems to be more focussed.
Changing to some portable amps that I have around, the bass became slightly more 'lumpy'. I'll try my Presonus (Which I have a soft spot for) and the Headfive but I don't think it'll make a huge difference to the tone.
Maybe the answer is to go balanced or maybe as I said before, it's something to do with an impedance mismatch. It's makes me want a tone control that affects the mids only in order to get its 'presence' more focussed.
It's not unpleasant, but it doesn't sound like it does at work for sure. It just seems 'darker' and not as light on its feet as I normally hear it. It's going back to work before I start trying to buy another amp.
I don't know why, but I am becoming increasingly less satified by the Solo.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 13, 2009 20:48:37 GMT
I don't know why, but I am becoming increasingly less satified by the Solo. I tend not to comment much on the Solo these days cause Graham takes great offence if you dare to criticise it (he even accused me of trying to "ruin his business" when I remarked that it was a bit bass shy).... we are all supposed to think it's the only worthy amp on the planet and he is the only designer on the planet..... Anyways, I agree with you Ian, it leaves a lot to be desired (especially with tricky to drive 'phones) it has a tendancy toward brightness, doesn't always have the necessary grunt to do the job and can be bass shy..... I won't mention names but a very well known recording engineer tried one and e-mailed me asking "is this guy serious? I get better quality straight out of the mixing desk"....... quite possible depending on the headphone load he was using..... No, it's not all Graham cracks it up to be and quite overpriced for what it does..... the Little NG27 amp / DAC does a much better job of driving the DT-150, I think you'd like it a lot. Are you powering your Solo with that silly little "green" wallwart? If so, replacing it with a good regulated PSU will help slightly (a tad more punch, clarity and soundstage) you could also experiment with different opamps like the LM4562
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2009 21:18:06 GMT
I have had the Solo looked at by the guys I work with and I've never mentioned that in case of offence. The funny thing is that I would have thought that other owners would be offended - not the maker. Just because of the cost.
I have been growing increasingly frustrated by what I perceive as an edgy sound with some whack down below but need to turn the volume high in order to get presence. That always makes me suspect that something is not quite right in the mids. I never get that at work. I seem to get a full, satisfying sound without too much volume there and have always put it down to the ridiculously expensive gear and separating the left and right signals from each other.. I've long suspected that maybe the amping at home isn't quite matched with the headphones that I use. The Beyers seem to have more of a problem with it which is why I don't use the DT150 at home actually.
It is a bit silly that a cheap crappy little Presonus just feels more comfortable with the Beyers than the Solo. It even seems to actually enhance the strengths of the Beyer's bass while also helping the mids so that they produce a really pleasing sound.
Certainly the value for money is brilliant in comparison to the Solo and that's where I'm also a bit at odds with it as an amp. The sound even gets fuller with the old Meier portable amp. (Although that doesn't have the whack in the bass that the Presonus has)
Maybe time for a change of amp. I was looking at the Xcan V8 but once bitten ......
Until I hear it, I ain't spending more.
Well, for me, Beyer and Solo aren't particularly good. It's OK. That's about it. Maybe that's why I hated the DT880 so much too. I virtually gave them away in disgust.
DT150 is a great workhorse. Full bodied and well focussed if it's on the end of something that matches its needs.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 13, 2009 21:47:42 GMT
I have had the Solo looked at by the guys I work with and I've never mentioned that in case of offence. The funny thing is that I would have thought that other owners would be offended - not the maker. Just because of the cost. I have been growing increasingly frustrated by what I perceive as an edgy sound with some whack down below but need to turn the volume high in order to get presence. That always makes me suspect that something is not quite right in the mids. I never get that at work. I seem to get a full, satisfying sound without too much volume there and have always put it down to the ridiculously expensive gear and separating the left and right signals from each other.. I've long suspected that maybe the amping at home isn't quite matched with the headphones that I use. The Beyers seem to have more of a problem with it which is why I don't use the DT150 at home actually. It is a bit silly that a cheap crappy little Presonus just feels more comfortable with the Beyers than the Solo. It even seems to actually enhance the strengths of the Beyer's bass while also helping the mids so that they produce a really pleasing sound. Certainly the value for money is brilliant in comparison to the Solo and that's where I'm also a bit at odds with it as an amp. The sound even gets fuller with the old Meier portable amp. (Although that doesn't have the whack in the bass that the Presonus has) Maybe time for a change of amp. I was looking at the Xcan V8 but once bitten ...... Until I hear it, I ain't spending more. Well, for me, Beyer and Solo aren't particularly good. It's OK. That's about it. Maybe that's why I hated the DT880 so much too. I virtually gave them away in disgust. DT150 is a great workhorse. Full bodied and well focussed if it's on the end of something that matches its needs. Ian I am glad that you have mentioned the "price" of the Solo Ian.... Graham seems to think it's relatively "cheap" / "affordable" and he trumpets this, making out he's "for the people" and making good audio at "affordable prices"..... BULLSHIT! £500 GBP is a helluva lot of money (to some people it's a "car") for a mediocre headphone amplifier.... it's not "cheap", it's not "affordable" it's bloody expensive! I have no experience of the presonus but I can tell you that the £50 HAinfo NG27 does a much better job of making music AND it has an integral DAC!!.. The Solo "was" a bloody good amp a few years ago but things have moved on since then.... there's no point in mincing words, you can get a hell of a lot better for a lot less money these days if you don't mind buying Chinese. I don't want to turn this into a "best amp for the buck" thread but we are both batting on the same wicket re: the Solo Ian..... I'm just glad I never had to pay £500 for any of my Solo's (or pay "anything" for that matter) I would have been royally pissed if I had
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2009 15:50:58 GMT
The Solo's shipped across the pond must get better w/ the salt in the air cause mine sound pretty darn good. No shrillness I can detect. Cheers. Hi Miguel. Do you use the Solo with Beyers? It's fine with the Senn 650 and 600 but I find it quite different with Beyers. It's not 'harshness' but toppy with the middle slightly sucked away. The DT150 on a cheap amp has less extension than the Solo but seems easier on the ear. If I could fit a tone control that boosted the middle, I'd be happier. The result is that I want to listen to Beyers loud in order to get 'presence', by which time, the bass is rattling my teeth. They're not so good at lower volumes via the Solo. That's why I'm surprised that I just prefer the sound of a Presonus which is a cheap 4 out amp that delivers a sound that seems to match the Beyers quite nicely. Then again, it could be a case of the amp blames the headphone which blames the amp!! They just don't go. (For me anyway) Honestly, the Beyer DT150 is a different thing entirely for me at work than at home. That's why I feel that the amping just isn't right for them. EDIT: I even get a slightly better 'tone' via the Headfive. I've put the Solo and Headfive together so I could quickly go from one to the other and there are slightly less mids on the Solo. It's much more noticeable at low volumes. Is it an easy job to whip out the opamp in the Solo and change it? This may be the answer. Ian
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2009 20:39:06 GMT
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 14, 2009 21:05:21 GMT
Ian, the Solo is a no no with the DT-150, I tried it earlier this afternoon and it sounded shite compared to the NG27 amp.... "sucked out mids" is a polite way of putting it The Solo just doesn't cut the mustard with these 'phones. El Cheapo NG27, X-Can V2 and AUNE drives the DT-150 SUPERBLY.... I find them very hard to fault and stick by what I said... they are phenomenal 'phones for the money and blow the HD-600 "etc." into the dust.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2009 21:20:43 GMT
Ian, the Solo is a no no with the DT-150, I tried it earlier this afternoon and it sounded shite compared to the NG27 amp.... "sucked out mids" is a polite way of putting it The Solo just doesn't cut the mustard with these 'phones. El Cheapo NG27, X-Can V2 and AUNE drives the DT-150 SUPERBLY.... I find them very hard to fault and stick by what I said... they are phenomenal 'phones for the money and blow the HD-600 "etc." into the dust. Thanks Mike. I thought it was me for a while. I am trying to be polite if I'm honest 'cos there are a lot of (probably) happy owners. Also, I may be hyper-critical I suppose but I use the DT150's a lot and they don't sound like what I'm hearing at home. (Using the same recordings as well) It almost sounds like you're listening in a vacuum via the Solo so if the DT150's have been tried on this type of combo, people probably feel that it is a crap headphone. The description above of it being dull also doesn't tally with how I hear it at work. For me it is a rich, detailed listen that produces bass so close to big speakers it's unbelieveable. It lacks the sibilance that I hear with many headphones and you really can hear the 'pitch' of a cymbal crash rather than that nasty splash sound you often get with so called 'hi-fi' headphones. It is also very good at imaging. The price above is a bit high too isn't it? I'm sure they are a cheap headphone - Just checked - Amazon shop price £113. I'm sure you can get them cheaper. Mine were ridiculously low when I bought them. www.amazon.co.uk/Beyer-Dynamic-DT150-Beyerdynamic-Headset/dp/B000LDPP1K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1255555155&sr=8-1Looks like an amp for me then doesn't it? Bugger!!! Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 14, 2009 21:28:40 GMT
Ian, the Solo is a no no with the DT-150, I tried it earlier this afternoon and it sounded shite compared to the NG27 amp.... "sucked out mids" is a polite way of putting it The Solo just doesn't cut the mustard with these 'phones. El Cheapo NG27, X-Can V2 and AUNE drives the DT-150 SUPERBLY.... I find them very hard to fault and stick by what I said... they are phenomenal 'phones for the money and blow the HD-600 "etc." into the dust. Thanks Mike. I thought it was me for a while. I am trying to be polite if I'm honest 'cos there are a lot of (probably) happy owners. Also, I may be hyper-critical I suppose but I use the DT150's a lot and they don't sound like what I'm hearing at home. (Using the same recordings as well) It almost sounds like you're listening in a vacuum via the Solo so if the DT150's have been tried on this type of combo, people probably feel that it is a crap headphone. The description above of it being dull also doesn't tally with how I hear it at work. For me it is a rich, detailed listen that produces bass so close to big speakers it's unbelieveable. It lacks the sibilance that I hear with many headphones and you really can hear the 'pitch' of a cymbal crash rather than that nasty splash sound you often get with so called 'hi-fi' headphones. It is also very good at imaging. The price above is a bit high too isn't it? I'm sure they are a cheap headphone - Just checked - Amazon shop price £113. I'm sure you can get them cheaper. Mine were ridiculously low when I bought them. www.amazon.co.uk/Beyer-Dynamic-DT150-Beyerdynamic-Headset/dp/B000LDPP1K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1255555155&sr=8-1Looks like an amp for me then doesn't it? Bugger!!! Ian Ian...... What source do you use? (computer or CD player) I'll be happy to send you an amp to try but I need to know your source and proposed headphones. Mike.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2009 16:34:01 GMT
Thanks Mike. That's very kind, but you don't have to put yourself out.
I'm going to get an old MTR Headphone amp from work and try it. The BBC use them a lot with Beyers. They're capable of powering 8 - 2000 ohm headphones and have quite a kick. One of the guys there suggested it for them. Probably end up sounding like Radio 2!
I'll see if that brings the mids in for the DT150 and if not, then I'll go for something else.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2009 14:24:10 GMT
The MTR amp works better than the Solo and better than the Presonus.
It's an old fashioned, heavy box. Big and bold and has an enormous sound to go with it. The only issue with it is noise. I have to adjust two controls and to avoid low buzzing on headphones, I have to put the output up to virtually maximum and use the input as a volume control. Then it's quiet as far as my ears are concerned!!
EDIT - rollocks. Signal to noise is crap on the MTR. Sound is fine but there's an underlying mains hum. (Very low level) It needs tweaking.
It's brought the mids back for the DT150 (Like the Presonus in this respect) but the bass is cleaner than the Presonus. It is as powerful but dies away quicker so you get a really 'clean' listen.
It looks like the DT150 is quite choosy about amping since I am noticing a lot more difference between amps with them. They really reveal the character of the amp that you drive them with.
The best so far for me has been the MTR amp which is an old workhorse with lots of guts but the Presonus isn't that far behind. Slightly more muddy in the bass region but still good.
The Solo is the worst without a doubt with these headphones. It sounds awful to say something like this when the cost is taken into consideration.
Presonus @ £80 - £100 MTR - @ £120 ish Solo @ £400 ish. Coming from an Edirol monitor, they sound awful. Even the Xemos HA3 drives them quite nicely. A bit of lower punch goes but you can up the bass if you really want to!!
Now what to do with the Solo? Not sure because of its cost. I'll shelve it for a while and see how I feel after a break.
I hope it's just a case of mismatch/matching impedances.
BTW Mike, I'm using three sources: Ipod classic via a dock (Lossless), Vinyl deck and a CD5 player. The most used believe it or not is the Ipod 'cos of my job and moving around!!
These headphones are SO different, depending on the amp set up with it. Extremely analytical while being musical at the same time on a good amp.
Ian
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Post by donunus on Feb 8, 2010 6:27:37 GMT
I am about to get a dt150 and was wondering if you guys think it would be decent out of a nuforce uDac
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Post by PinkFloyd on Feb 9, 2010 0:32:05 GMT
I am about to get a dt150 and was wondering if you guys think it would be decent out of a nuforce uDac I would love to say "yes" but I don't know what a nuforce uDac is (ie: I have no experience of it)....... I hope a few people who own a nuforce uDac and have experienced the DT-150 with it will chip in.... Sorry I can't be of more help. Pinkie.
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Post by mrarroyo on Feb 9, 2010 1:56:32 GMT
The uDac is a $99 dac w/ a built in headphone amp that is getting rave reviews in Head Fi by Larry (HeadphoneAddict). I have not listen to it but like Larry there are many proponents of its sound, at its price it seems like a safe bet. It uses the Sabre DAC chip.
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Post by donunus on Feb 9, 2010 5:23:44 GMT
its one helluva dac IMO. I dont know about the technicalities of it but I prefer it over my old $1000 MHDT Havana hahaha. Well ok thats apples and oranges since the havana is supposed to sound analog/rolled off I guess but still It is better than the valab nos dac and the emu0404 usb i recently had the emu was more extended in the highs yet sterile sounding and lacked crunch in the mids. It had sort of a veiled/softened attack. The valab was harder and crunchier sounding with less air but is a little harsh sounding in absolute terms. The udac has the crunch of the valab, the air of the emu and what feels like a more holographic sound compared to both. The mids are also slightly meatier but less fat than the $1000 NOS Havana which was overdone IMO
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Post by donunus on Feb 14, 2010 23:07:36 GMT
By the way, has anyone tried using dt100 velour pads on the dt150s? I wonder how that would change their sound.
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Post by donunus on Feb 16, 2010 13:12:26 GMT
I just got my dt150s... Long story short... These are the best closed cans Ive ever had. I even prefer these to my old markl style LA2000 with vampire wire (I didn't like those hehehe just like most other closed cans)
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Post by donunus on Feb 26, 2010 8:45:51 GMT
anyone know where to buy velour earpads for these? That will ship to the Philippines that is
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