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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2012 18:24:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2012 18:37:11 GMT
Appearance differences WITH the need of comparison:
1) Entire black appearance of the headphone is more sparkly on the genuine pair, while the fake has more of a semi-shiny black look. 2) "1" and "2" on the bottom sides of the arms are different fonts. The genuine has much more of a beveled look, while the fake is flat. 3) Font of "PX100-II" on the bottom outside of earcups is different. Genuine pair is thinner and cleaner, fake is thicker and a bit blurry. 4) The "garbage can and CE" on the inside of the left arm is much more beveled on the genuine pair. Similar to the 1 and 2 on the arms. 5) "L" and "R" are different fonts between both models. The genuine pair has a deeper engraved font, and the bumps on the L side are bigger. 6) Printed "Sennheiser" on the top of the headband is more of a grey color on the fake pair, and more of a black color on the genuine. 7) Headband is slightly wider on the fake pair, most notably due to the fake pair having a wider metal part. Slightest bronze tint on the fake pair. 8) Hinge joints on both arms are more of a dull bronze color on the fake pair, while sparkly silver on the genuine. They're also smaller on the genuine. Appearance differences WITHOUT the need of comparison:
9) "PX100-II" lettering doesn't exist on the inside right arm of the genuine headphone, while the fake pair clearly has those markings. 10) The "S" logo on the outside arms is white on the fake pair and a sparkly silver on the genuine pair. Fake has blurry edges looking closely. 11) Cord is a 45 inches on fake and 49 on genuine, while being more flexible and feeling softer. Fake pair feels cheap and has many kinks in it. 12) Slight differences in jack colors, but the "S" has rounded edges on the genuine, and square edges on the fake. Genuine is also more beveled. 13) Taking off earpads and looking at the drivers, the genuine pair has numbers printed on the center on both sides, while the fake has nothing. Build differences that SHOULD be apparent without comparison:
14) Earcup swivel is stiff and very restrictive on the fake, while easily maneuverable on the genuine. They also "click" into place on the genuine pair. 15) When folding the arms, the fake pair is very stiff and makes a loud "click", while the genuine is much smoother to unlock and lock. 16) Headband adjustment "scrapes" on the fake pair and doesn't stay in place well. Genuine has a definitive "click" with each increment. 17) A good rule of thumb; if you are getting the impression of unevenness or low quality in any of the moving parts, you most likely have a fake.
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Post by joethearachnid on Sept 29, 2012 20:50:22 GMT
From what I've read the PX100 II are generally considered to be inferior to the original PX100 (though the PX200 II are also supposedly better than the original). Sadly it doesn't look like the old PX100 is being manufactured any more, but you can pick them up on eBay for not much.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2012 21:54:01 GMT
Hi Joe. I have both the PX100 II and the PX200 (new version) I'm not fussed at all about the PX200. It's a bit steely in the treble and cuppy in sound. It's an improvement on the old PX200 but imo it still has some strange colours going on. It's OK. The PX100 is a bit lighter than the PX100 II. (I also have them) The PX100 II is slightly darker but scales up well at higher volumes. It has an incredibly good bass response for a little headphone as well. Very capable but the price is often a bit steep. It's the darker tone of the PX100 II that puts people off but turn up the wick a bit and you don't need it a lot brighter really. I always listen to headphones at a 'focusing' volume. I always find that each headphone has a different optimum volume in order to develop a balanced sound. The funny thing is, they all seem to focus well once you find the ideal volume for them!! Generally, the thicker sounding feel better at higher volumes and more toppy headphones seem to be more comfortable at lower volumes, as long as the bass snaps in. For me, I use the bass levels in order to judge the focus and then I listen for front to back depth (if it's there) and a slight tweak up or down will give you a 'balanced' depth. I know it sounds as though I kind of rationalise how I listen, but hey, it works for me!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2012 17:17:57 GMT
Found another oddity. I have a new PX100 II and I compared it to my older PX100 II.
They sound different. The old one sounds heavier and treble is less than the new one which is better sounding.
I've only come across this once before with the Portapro. I had an old one that was way different sounding than a new one.
Either they get tired or perhaps they are making subtle changes to the headphone?
Also, now you don't get a plastic case with it. You get a bag instead.
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Post by funk1969 on Oct 4, 2012 20:47:52 GMT
I always listen to headphones at a 'focusing' volume. I always find that each headphone has a different optimum volume in order to develop a balanced sound. The funny thing is, they all seem to focus well once you find the ideal volume for them!! Generally, the thicker sounding feel better at higher volumes and more toppy headphones seem to be more comfortable at lower volumes, as long as the bass snaps in. For me, I use the bass levels in order to judge the focus and then I listen for front to back depth (if it's there) and a slight tweak up or down will give you a 'balanced' depth. I know it sounds as though I kind of rationalise how I listen, but hey, it works for me!! I fully agree, that's how I tune in on my preferred volume. These days I just keep lowering my listening volume. I'm a bit surprised yet I keep preferring the lower volume for listening.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2012 21:15:09 GMT
Could mean that you need and amp or the amp you're using doesn't give enough!!
Lower volume gives a more cleanly defined dynamic range. (As long as you don't go too low) At higher volume, the amplification may be squashing the dynamic which is why you prefer low, perhaps?
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Post by funk1969 on Oct 5, 2012 0:23:00 GMT
My amplifier, a Little Dot Mk V is sufficient and quite powerful. Manual gain settings would make it even better. It's a dual mono single ended headphone amplifier, output impedance about 30 ohms and my K400, K500 and HD250 II sound good, the Sennheiser very good.
I used to listen at higher volumes but given my preference for a smooth presentation rather than loud and shouty I kept searching for the right volume setting. I used to listen 6 dB louder on average both outdoors and indoors. Three years ago I was an even louder music listener because I didn't know better.
These days I just try to listen at the lowest yet most agreeable volume possible while also taking more breaks in between listening to music etcetera. Just something you gradually become aware of...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2012 11:52:07 GMT
You know, there is a subtle difference between my old one and this new one for sure. I have been switching between them and the old one definitely has a more 'slushy' sound and is a tad darker. Now I'm wondering whether the first one has changed through 'burn' in (for the worse), whether it's worn out (?) or whether one is a copy..... The new one is sharper sounding and other has a lift in the upper bass which does make it sound comparatively dark. Or else, I wonder whether Senn have had a quiet tweak with the PX100. If they have, the newer ones sound better and have a little more openness to them. It is a marvellous little headphone and is frighteningly close to higher end headphones in terms of timbre and bass clout. Imaging ain't great but not actually bad given what it is and its price. On the end of a Zigis amp - it's really good. (Just a CMoy) Lots of dynamic and very natural sounding. I'm currently listening to some Micheal Jackson (live stuff) and it really gets you there!!! (I'm not that fussed about Jackson though - just want to hear him live) I do like his live band.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2012 12:34:00 GMT
I must get myself one of these Zigis, I'm using the Fuze+ more and even some mp3 is sneaking onto the phone!
Is his 3.5mm IC lead worthwhile or no better than standard?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2012 12:40:09 GMT
I must get myself one of these Zigis, I'm using the Fuze+ more and even some mp3 is sneaking onto the phone! Is his 3.5mm IC lead worthwhile or no better than standard? I don't use his lead, Chris. I didn't know he did one. I'm using an Ipod with the Zigis and it is unbelievably good, even with the K601. It doesn't seem to get in the way of the basic sound from the unit but there are improvements in dynamic which is what I really like. I wish he provided a power supply for it though. I have found that most supplies I've been using (including the X-Can ones) introduce a small amount of electrical noise. I guess that might be to do with the design of the Zigis. On battery - dead silent. (You know what I'm like for noise!!!) The cost of the amp is very low for what you're getting and he doesn't rip you off for postage etc. He's fast too. It's basic and in a plastic box but sounds fine to my ears. Try the T1 with it when it arrives, Chris. You'll be surprised at the added dynamic with it and you get similar with the Zigis. I'm not snobbish - I'll listen to MP3, wav, CD whatever. One thing I listen to that IS very useful is the Spotify service. Straight from the computer and digitally into the T1, it's not too bad. A great way to get new stuff before you buy it on CD. Currently, I have about 3,000 songs via Spotify on my Ipod. Not downloaded but I stream them. If I want something for the car, I download a few albums (free) from Spotify and then I can play them on journeys. It's a good service for new stuff and I often listen to podcasts like The European Perspective which recommends new stuff and get it instantly from Spotify free with the subscription. The T1 is perfect for that, using Spotify direct from the computer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2012 12:56:20 GMT
Thanks Ian,
I seem to be able to ignore most background noises unless they creep into the voices area, then it's a lost cause.
The T1 is on its way to me now so I'll be diving in there soon, plus Mike is sending an EB valve over (which I will add to the package when it moves on).
I too use spotify and grooveshark, if one doesn't have what you're looking for the other usually does. Though I tend to shuffle along the recommended playlists (a la youtube, also in regular use) to find new stuff, very handy for that.
DL mp3, me likey, me buy. DL mp3, me no likey, me delete.
Simples!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2012 13:37:32 GMT
Exactly. It's a good service and you can stick it on the phone as well so everything is there for you. I have a 32 gig card in my phone so I can download a lot of music!!!
The T1 with the EB's is really nice. It kick a bit of life into it.
I just like the idea of listening to digital direct from the computer via a decent amp but adding that valve flavour. You're not stuck with the one sound. (Although changes are relatively small)
Plus the fact it can be used as a normal amp as well.
The gold plated knob on mine makes it look really posh.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2012 14:03:00 GMT
Yes I agree with that in principle. I'm not a valve devotee and dislike most but have liked a few designs that I've heard. I have to give each one a chance in case it's a "goody". The valve rolling giving a sort of tone control is fun to try, I have a couple of other flavours to pop in when the T1 arrives.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2012 15:19:12 GMT
Wouldn't it be nice to know .... what is the ultimate tube that could work with the T1? You know, something really posh? The type of thing that, when it blows, your face flushes up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2012 16:11:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2012 16:39:29 GMT
Now that LOOKS the business!!! I like the red jacket too. Mike'll turn up now and offer the 6922eb at £140 the rrp!! (with sholder pads)
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