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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2012 5:08:31 GMT
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Post by dalethorn on Jun 18, 2012 12:22:06 GMT
The sound of the samples alone should tell you this is a very hirez recording. Interesting how with the beginning of each track you get the background signature of the room and the microphones, clear as can be. And the purchase options are excellent - everyone should be doing this.
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Post by XTRProf on Jun 18, 2012 15:05:21 GMT
What? They were using 96-24 to compare to DSD? Surely DSD will be superior to 96-24. They should use 192-24 vs DSD and surely the advantage will go to PCM.
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Post by dalethorn on Jun 18, 2012 19:58:44 GMT
Do you suppose the IT/IS guys decided they couldn't support the extra format, what with cataloging, storage, and ripping etc.? It gets to be a really big task when you're a music provider.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2012 22:02:12 GMT
What? They were using 96-24 to compare to DSD? Surely DSD will be superior to 96-24. They should use 192-24 vs DSD and surely the advantage will go to PCM. Back in 2005, the Chief Engineer at Philips stated a preference for 24/192 PCM over DSD. I saw a link to his report in C.A.recently but can't presently locate it. It was linked to by "Julf".
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Post by XTRProf on Jun 18, 2012 22:34:18 GMT
Back in 2005, the Chief Engineer at Philips stated a preference for 24/192 PCM over DSD. I saw a link to his report in C.A.recently but can't presently locate it. It was linked to by "Julf". The truth is this will never end as Philips is PCM advocator as they invented CD jointly with Sony. Well, Sony, ahem .........., is DSD now as they are the inventor. But Sony never tell you technically there is more highly filtered RFI harsh and shift of those harsh away from the audio frequency into the Neverland of Frans. To me PCM sounds more Live than DSD. But DSD images better which is NOT in the original Live. Live is one BIG FAT MONO when heard at the usual best spot not too near to the stage.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 8:01:31 GMT
Chances of listening to a true 100% DSD or PCM recording are quite slim, most being a mix between the two either at the recording or the replay process.
Nearly all recent and not so recent ADC chips are Delta Sigma parts which capture multibit (5-6bit) Delta Sigma streams and are decimated to PCM applying mathematical algorithms because most mastering workstations and software are PCM. So the signal is "born" as DSD but quickly changed to something else, ie it is processed and thus not "pure". This is supposed to be a completely transpartent process but if reveresed the signals will never be identical.
On the reproduction chain the same thing happens and almost every modern DAC chip (BB, AKM, WM, CS, ESS, AD, etc.) is DS too, needing to convert PCM to low bit DSD as previous step to analogue coversion.
Now that there is nearly no true R2R ADC solution available, pure DSD without decimation ADC->processing/mastering->DAC would be the purest (KISS?) route, the problem is there are very few studio solutions capable of processing native DSD and they seem to be quite expensive (Sonoma Workstations). In short, you can listen to true PCM with recordings captured in the early digital days before DS and only if you have a multibit R2R DAC (TD154x, BB PCM6x, BB PCM17xx, etc.). For DSD you would need a recording like Cookie's DSD ones (recorded and mastered in unconverted DSD) and a SACD player or a true DSD capable DAC like the Mytek DSD128 or a (very)few others.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 8:16:10 GMT
Javier I don't think that is quite what Stereophile was referring to,but I aint gonna go there with this one. Yes, you are correct about all the compromises made with most DSD recordings etc. Cookie also provides her DLs as Uncompressed Zips too. Regards Alex
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Post by dalethorn on Jun 23, 2012 4:33:24 GMT
After a few days with Emily's solo violin tracks (96 khz WAV) I can see I don't have any other tracks that show up differences in gear as well as they do. Just amazing sound.
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Post by dalethorn on Jun 23, 2012 10:37:33 GMT
All I know is with the Emily recording I can hear the difference between two DACs as though one of them was made by monkeys. Very impressive. If I were doing a cable test this is the recording I'd use.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2012 11:11:18 GMT
I would like to see the results posted here, especially if you claim to hear differences ! ;D [****MODERATED**** name calling is not allowed] needs another excuse to Rabbit on ( sorry Ian ) about Null Tests.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2012 12:01:20 GMT
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D sorry couldn't resist
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Post by XTRProf on Jun 23, 2012 15:42:21 GMT
Surely, this can't be moderated as no name calling! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by dalethorn on Jun 23, 2012 16:24:58 GMT
I wasn't suggesting that any specific DAC could be made by monkeys....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2012 18:41:21 GMT
I wasn't suggesting that any specific DAC could be made by monkeys.... I think they are!! ;D What's this about Alex? Does Frans owe me an apology then? ;D BTW - Davy dies recently. Heart attack.
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Post by XTRProf on Jun 24, 2012 0:43:07 GMT
Ok, guys, I put up The Monkees video was just for poking fun into this forum as usual. Nothing serious and directed at anybody. If I have offended anybody, I apologise. To me, free flowing apologies are what we need here! So don't take things too seriously. OMG, Davy died recently? I didn't know. Thanks for the pointer, Ian. Obviously, it must come from you as he's an Englishman whereas the rest are Americans. Anyway, do we know that the Davy Jones name was used as an important character in Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest and At World's End where Singapore was featured for the latter? Here the link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Jones_(Pirates_of_the_Caribbean)
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Post by dalethorn on Jun 24, 2012 0:48:49 GMT
BTW - Davy dies recently. Heart attack. Those guys not only went on to successful ventures, but their Monkees material made quite an impact. You can hear some of it in Donovan's Pamela Jo (yes, Donovan) and especially in some of Pee Wee Herman's musical attempts. When I lived just North of Chattanooga in 1988, there were people on the college station there who would have an occasional Monkees bash on late Saturday night.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2012 7:26:42 GMT
BTW - Davy dies recently. Heart attack. Those guys not only went on to successful ventures, but their Monkees material made quite an impact. You can hear some of it in Donovan's Pamela Jo (yes, Donovan) and especially in some of Pee Wee Herman's musical attempts. When I lived just North of Chattanooga in 1988, there were people on the college station there who would have an occasional Monkees bash on late Saturday night. They were a funny group weren't they? Weren't they the first 'manufactured' group as well? I seem to remember them to be the American equivalent of the Beatles. I just saw them in a tv comedy series and never really took the music seriously. In fact, I'm not sure they were playing originally; someone else was. They were my introduction to the Americans I guess!!!! Davy had a very strange English/American accent. Did Pee Wee make records? OMG. There was something VERY odd about him. Wasn't he caught up to no good with kiddies and then disappeared? I've only seen two of his films, which I actually did find quite funny. He was such an odd ball and he suddenly disappeared which I thought was a great pity. To think, at the same time, Frank Zappa was at the start of his musical antics. I went through a faze of going through his whole catalogue and then some of the trials that he went into etc. Hilarious. I met him here in the UK while he was on tour. Thank goodness, he'd mellowed somewhat and was actually very knowledgeable about 20th Century 'instrumental/orchestral' music. Varese and Stravinsky. He had a thing about rhythmic music and loved cross rhythms and polytonality. What was amazing in his concerts was how he was improvising on the guitar at one minute and then the next, he'd leap out front and start conducting the band to keep everything together because some of it was so complex. He also had different handsigns that he used and the band understood them as signals to suddenly change 'style' so each concert became quite different, depending on the hand signals he gave out!! Quite amazing. I also met a lovely guy - Chester Thompson who played in Zappa's band and doubled up in Genesis live tours for Phil Collins on the drums. Now they behaved like monkeys!!!! (Chong - there you'll find some real rock monkeys - one of the most outrageous bands I've ever seen) Relax ..... no one was offended.
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Post by dalethorn on Jun 27, 2012 1:11:27 GMT
I first heard Zappa at a friend's house in 1966, playing Freak Out by Mothers of Invention. Tracks like Who Are the Brain Police. Frank was very politically astute with little interjections like "It can't happen here." He's been listed in Schwann as a serious composer for ages. I think in spite of a shortened chronological life, he truly had the equivalent of many lives. His Valley Girl single in the early 80's was such an accurate reflection of life in the Valley (esp. Encino where I lived and worked at the time) it was positively scary. I even shared a flat with a Valley Girl then. It's a world far away from here and now. Frank was actually courageous to have made that single, since he lived there and took a lot of heat for it. I've had people threaten to beat me up (oh, really?) just for saying the word 'Val' at the wrong moment. Nerves could be very raw there, thanks to Frank.
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Post by dalethorn on Jun 27, 2012 1:15:07 GMT
BTW, I got a nice note from Cookie thanking me for purchasing a couple of music tracks. She's a class act.
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Post by XTRProf on Jun 27, 2012 7:40:11 GMT
Eh, you didn't buy the famous very first album from Blue Coast? Here: Already available I think about 4 or 5 years ago. I still remember somebody from Blue Coast came into my local hifi forums and intro Blue Coast to us. I even suggested an LP version of that first album and they said they will look into it if of much interest. It seems that didn't materialise as they are now into full DSD mastering DDD [ meaning D (DSD) D (DSD) D (DSD)].
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Post by dalethorn on Jun 27, 2012 11:47:09 GMT
I picked off a couple of instrumentals from that album. Folk music tends to aggravate me. 78 RPM by Stiff Little Fingers is about as close as I wanna get to most folk music.
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Post by XTRProf on Jun 28, 2012 3:48:55 GMT
Wow, still not uncle yet!
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