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Post by PinkFloyd on Nov 25, 2011 21:03:52 GMT
That's how I feel. There are some really cheap ones out there but they just don't match really. It's also the consistency of them that I like. They basically fly really well. I think I wore mine out!! The cheap ones just aren't worth it in the long run Ian... I have gone through three MiniX 'copters... the last one literally fell apart mid air The flight times of these fixed battery things is abysmal and then you have to wait 30 minutes for it to recharge again.... once the battery packs in it's either a case of bin it, solder in a new battery or keep it for spares. You were correct all along (so was Sam).... one stable containing the same "breed" of helicopters with ONE controller and a big set of the same batteries.... it's so simple!! The house is full of these cheap 3 channel transmitters, wallwarts, USB cables etc. etc... all I really need (and all I enjoy flying) are a few e-flite 'copters and ONE transmitter. Yes, they are expensive but, yes, they are worth every penny. That Ansmann Sky Wolf is just a heap of liability.... great when it flies but as soon as it self destructs try getting parts for it!! Some friggin' outfit that lot are... the guy from Kooltoyz is right, it's experiences like that which put people off buying more RC helicopters.... by the way, they are based in Edinburgh and have all the e-flite spares... great firm to deal with www.kooltoyz.co.uk/
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2011 21:09:25 GMT
Mike, that company has sold out of EVERY Eflite heli!! Do they just get them to order?
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Post by PinkFloyd on Nov 25, 2011 21:35:17 GMT
Mike, that company has sold out of EVERY Eflite heli!! Do they just get them to order? No! He was telling me they have been inundated with orders (must be Christmas) and are awaiting fresh stock next week..... They have got the new ESKY Nano in and he reckons they are AWESOME! stores.ebay.co.uk/Kooltoyz/_i.html?_nkw=nano&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_sop=1 £40 and claims they are as good as an MCX2... tells me the battery is heavier than the helicopter (320 mAh!!) I am tempted but will do my best to resist as I am seriously getting pissed off with all the different breeds of helicopter cluttering the place up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2011 21:57:37 GMT
They look nice. Very good price. It's a pity that the emote controls are different to the Blade ones. Can you imagine what they could sell bnf at if they did it?
£44 with transmitter is cheap. Without transmitter £25? I wonder whether the HoneyBee transmitter would work with them?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2011 20:23:20 GMT
I must admit, that has been nice and now I use the Spektrum 5e as my standard controller for all of them except the Ansmann. Even then, I'm tempted to change the receiver in the Sky Taxi so it'll work with the Spektrum since it is a lot smoother than the Blade Controller. You wouldn't believe just how smooth the msr is with it and the 120 sr becomes much easier to hold, just down to the remote control.
I wish now, that I'd got a Spektrum 6i since it has the ability to alter the rev curve and programme different helis in. Also in readiness for a 3d/CP heli which I'm getting closer to now.
I'm determined to 'train' myself with strict discipline so that I don't miss anything in the control stakes. Now it's paying off in that when the helis get into a bit of a problem, I am actually able to rescue myself pretty well so I can start taking chances. Especially with the 120 sr which is like a racing horse.
I must admit, staying with Blades has really helped me focus on similar skills since they all share the same 'feel' but become increasingly more difficult.
MCX2 - MSR - CX3/120 SR - (maybe MCX) but definitely MSR x, and from there maybe another Honeybee or Blade 450 x. I'm really enjoying the progression tbh.
I think it's pretty easy to just keep taking sideways steps without really learning flight basics first. The MCX2 is ideal for that in the beginning and Sam was absolutely right. In fact, I wonder whether the Bladez things I had originally were also a good move really - I did have basic flight skills and was able to deal easily with orientation since I'd done it for so long without even considering going up the ladder.
I swapped the Honey Bee for the 120 sr which imo was a good move, but now, I feel ready for the Honey Bee again, I must admit. I won't go to CP until I've worked on a small one like the MCX with a proper transmiter.
That's something I have really noticed - the difference that pitch curves in the transmitter make. The Blade ones are a bit too fierce. (Like the V2 one which is even more fierce than the Blade)
Next one on its way is the flybarless MSR - that'll be lively and I hear that the pendulum swings will be missing too.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Nov 26, 2011 23:22:49 GMT
Another vid of the MCX2.... it seems to have slowed down so I added a blob of butyl rubber in the nose cone and fitted an "upside down" MCX tail fin... seems to have speeded up slightly but still rather pedestrian.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Nov 26, 2011 23:26:20 GMT
PS: hope you like the move 2:38 into the vid
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2011 0:57:31 GMT
Another vid of the MCX2.... it seems to have slowed down so I added a blob of butyl rubber in the nose cone and fitted an "upside down" MCX tail fin... seems to have speeded up slightly but still rather pedestrian. Hey Mike, You've suddenly become very important viewing, when I try to watch I get, "This video contains content from EMI, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds." I hope you're collecting royalties ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2011 7:41:11 GMT
I get that as well. Damn - I've opened the popcorn.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2011 19:08:22 GMT
I fitted a new flybar on today. That seems to be a weak area - where the link goes into the flybar. I think I wore it out since the link kept popping off and the heli started doing the fandango.
I also pushed the cogs up so there was no play in the rotor shaft. The more you play around with these things, the more you lern about how they work and where the wobbles and vibrations come from.
I fixed a mate's msr today as well. New blades, pushed the cogs up since they were down, changed the rear rotor blade and changed the cog itself on the bottom because it felt a bit rough in one part of the turn.
Result, the heli now hovers without toilet bowl and shivers. He's chuffed and said that it never flew that well straight from the shop!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2011 12:15:25 GMT
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Post by oldson on Dec 21, 2011 22:55:45 GMT
mcx2 arrived today. just had first flight. (well just a hover really) only tried a cheapo 3 ch before. this is much easier to control. didnt crash it. worth the extra as everyone says. just waiting on the spare batteries now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2011 23:29:13 GMT
Glad you like it. Two things:
A) try not to run your batteries to flat. It shortens their life. I work on about 80 per cent. So if it is able to last 6 minutes, I go for 4 and then come down to land. It's better to have lots of spares so you don't kill them. B) the dx6i is overkill for an mcx2. I've got one now and it's far too complex for a coaxial. The highest I'd go is a 5e. I have that as well and it's enough for that type of heli.
I think it was you considering the dx6i.
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Post by oldson on Dec 22, 2011 19:35:17 GMT
you are correct. it was only because i see kings lynn models selling them bundled together. may try for a 2nd hand dx5, as you suggest, in the new year. my spare batteries arrived today, so my priority is a 4 port charger. trouble is i am skint, until next pay day.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2011 20:41:32 GMT
The DX5e is a nice remote tbh. It's rock solid and is smoother than the one that comes with the rtf version, but then again, I've been flying them for a while and I find the original fine as well although it's a bit cruder in the way that it works.
I've kind of 'fine tuned' my flying habits so that I aim not for speed but for sheer smoothness. Once you start getting that smooth flight, then you'll find messing around and throwing it all over the place dead easy.
For me, it's paid off doing that with all of my helis. They all feel more under control now and I'm starting to look for a new challenge.
The MSR is one of the harder ones to fly along with the 120 sr which is like a whippet, but I have the remote so firmly fixed in my mind that when I get into troubles with the MSR, I can now 'fly' myself out of it pretty well, whereas before, I'd just let it drop to the floor at the hint of trouble!!
That means I now concentrate on bits of flying - for instance, I've been working on banking the MSR at fast forward flight in turns, so that it leans over. Again, I started slow and watched how the heli reacted and then slowly sped it up. It's very easy to overdo banking so the heli goes off like a rocket since sideways movement and forward movement combine to create a sudden change of speed. If you can't get it under control at that speed, it'll just crash. That's something I did at height outside a while ago and the MSR went so fast, I lost track of where it was. One second later, it was virtually down at ground level but I managed to raise it before it hit the deck!!
Anyway, the whole thing becomes quite fascinating once you start to learn flight characteristics and banked turns, wide turns, tilting the nose up and coming straight back on yourself, backwards flight followed by a fast 180 turn and then forward flight.
Those things can be learned on an MCX2 (except banking, which they're not good at - they tend to stall) but you have the added advantage of the great stability of the coaxial to learn with.
Once you can fly confidently forwards for instance, try this:
While going forwards, turn left with your left thumb and push the right thumb slightly right. If you watch the MCX2, it'll do a kind of 'skid' round the corner and makes a better turn with a rounder shape in the air. That works well on single rotor and also ....
Turn left again, but SLIGHTLY push the right stick left and let go again. Watch the heli and it should do the start of a banked turn before it tries to straighten itself again but be careful because they tend to stall. If you do this one with a single rotor, it shoots off extremely fast and looks brilliant!!
You see, the skills that you learn on the MCX2 can be passed on to some extend to the harder ones.
The 120 sr goes like a rocket if I do a banked turn and I have to be very careful with it, so I practise on the MSR. (Both single blades, but the 120 is a lot bigger)
Main thing is, don't blame the remote. I can use the stock remote happily as well as the DX ones. You just learn to adjust the way you fly.
So I wouldn't be in a hurry to get rid of the black one that came with it. It's perfectly good. (Especially for the MCX2)
It's funny, I learn moves with the MCX2 and MCX and transfer them to the MSR later. Then I go for the dangerous one ... the 120 sr. It all transfers pretty well.
It's fun isn't it?
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Post by oldson on Dec 22, 2011 21:11:37 GMT
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Post by oldson on Dec 22, 2011 21:16:27 GMT
i am almost too embarrassed to say what i've just done.
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Post by oldson on Dec 22, 2011 21:33:12 GMT
where can i get a new 5 in 1 control board in the uk??
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Post by oldson on Dec 22, 2011 21:40:05 GMT
found 'em. £40 plus del. gonna get a new heli instead. at least i will have some spares.
doom and gloom here tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2011 23:53:54 GMT
Sounds like some dopey wall didn't jump out of the way in time! Don't they know anything ------------------------------------------- Sorry to hear of your mishap.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2011 23:57:51 GMT
Sounds like he's burned the 5 in 1 unit!! They're almost as much as a bnf heli!!
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Post by PinkFloyd on Dec 23, 2011 12:21:36 GMT
That's upsetting to hear Are you sure it's not just the battery making contact with the gears? Sometimes when you "crash" this can happen and you think you've buggered it only to find it's the battery preventing the gears from turning. If the motherboard HAS gone up in smoke you'd be better off buying a new MCX2, you'd have plenty of spares from the other one. Mike.
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Post by oldson on Dec 23, 2011 20:12:20 GMT
now for the embarassing bit...... no it was not a wall. i was talking to someone (distracted, this is the best i can do for an excuse!), while plugging in a new battery. i thought, "this seems a bit more fiddly than usual" and pushed a bit harder. next thing is , i burnt my finger tips on the battery connector and a little plume of smoke appeared. they CAN be connected the wrong way around gonna have to get a new heli. not paying £40 plus just for a board. WHAT A PLANK i am.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Dec 23, 2011 20:35:20 GMT
Oooh.... burnt fingers..... that sounds quite spectacular! I burnt my eyebrows off once when filling up a gas lighter "and" igniting it at the same time (fag in mouth wanted to light it ) but haven't yet been burnt by a remote control helicopter.... hmm, maybe a reverse polarity protection diode needs incorporated into the circuit but it would be easier to just match the red dot up with the other red dot Why not send it back and tell them it's not working right?
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