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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2011 14:19:40 GMT
Those videos are quite amazing. It's like the helix are having spasms Imagine spending £300 on a heli and chucking it around like that? That guy who hit the deck must have been gutted when they got it on film. Trouble is that it can take all your time getting it right. I must admit, you'll get a lot of fun out of the Honey Bee as long as you don't smack it. It may come with a small flight simulator, but nothing is quite the same as the real thing. Even my two mcx helis fly slightly differently. That's going to be a real challenge. Your mate Sam may well be useful when you get it. He's right about the mcx vibration on those tails. The only way I can think of to balance the blades is to colour the tips two different colours and spin them. That'll tell you which way the blades are out and then warm them and bend!! There was a guy on YouTube showing the same thing and he was asking for an answer. Perhaps the boom has a moveable weight? If so, you could try pushing it back a bit. It should be faster with that tail, but possibly less stable. Ian
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2011 19:23:19 GMT
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 2, 2011 19:55:42 GMT
Those videos are quite amazing. It's like the helix are having spasms Imagine spending £300 on a heli and chucking it around like that? That guy who hit the deck must have been gutted when they got it on film. Trouble is that it can take all your time getting it right. I must admit, you'll get a lot of fun out of the Honey Bee as long as you don't smack it. It may come with a small flight simulator, but nothing is quite the same as the real thing. Even my two mcx helis fly slightly differently. That's going to be a real challenge. Your mate Sam may well be useful when you get it. He's right about the mcx vibration on those tails. The only way I can think of to balance the blades is to colour the tips two different colours and spin them. That'll tell you which way the blades are out and then warm them and bend!! There was a guy on YouTube showing the same thing and he was asking for an answer. Perhaps the boom has a moveable weight? If so, you could try pushing it back a bit. It should be faster with that tail, but possibly less stable. Ian I couldn't quite digest what he was saying Ian.... it was something about balancing the blades on the edge of a razor blade and then adding small strips of sellotape.... I REALLY must try to get him to post here, he is a font of chopper knowledge.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 2, 2011 20:21:37 GMT
I was saying the other night that I am quite happy with the MCX2 but, after seeing those insane videos, it would be great to get to that standard wouldn't it? The Honey Bee and the MSR will be more of a challenge and I think the natural progression from them would be petrol engine jobs. Can you take a vid of your MSR in flight Ian? Would be interesting to see your technique... do you "air dance" or are you more into speeding around the garden? I think I would like to "air dance" to music.... something like a 15 foot long chopper air dancing in front of a ten thousand strong crowd with them all chanting "go Pinkie, Go Pinkie, go Pinkie!"....... I can see it now.... up there on stage with laser beams and pyrotechnics... the crowd in a frenzy watching me do my signature "pink air dance"... full spandex outfit, pink codpiece, pink Panama hat, yellow cuban heel shoes...... I could interrupt the accompanying music with things like "take it to the bridge"..... "all the ladies in the house sing PINKIE"...... etc. etc. Maybe you could be behind me with your organ? A bit of don't you like me Mikey and then into a full on "flite people, flite flite people" type thang..... the crowd would go bonkers..... as an encore we could have an air dance duel.... the crowd would be frenzied at this point and the females throwing their panties onto the stage.... the men would all be hovering MCX2's in the air and WISHING they were as cool as The Pink and The Rabbit..... we would have the largest choppers in "da" house! Heli "smack down" here we come!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2011 21:30:27 GMT
;D I'm a careful Sunday afternoon driver with the MSR Mike. It's too fast to play silly buggers with. The second you push the throttle, you wonder where it went. I've had two acrobatic moments, both outside. It's quite frightening to be out of control and it's just a 1 ounce piece of plastic!! The MCX2 is just a bit slow outside, so I just work at control. The MSR especially is a bugger to hold (and get off the ground) but I'm getting a grip of it now. It's a slow process but it saves whacking it in the long run. I'd worked hard a very slow control on the MCX2 and that paid off. I can spot land it and get very smooth and slow take offs that look realistic. The MSR is hard work at first but eventually, I've found a way of getting it airborne without shooting off to the left! Your mate will tell you all about that with single blades. I've also worked at getting it to fly as smoothly as I can. I can slow it down to MCX speeds now with more wobble, but that's typical behaviour. It's a bit too light and I think the Honey Bee will be better because it's heavier. I've looked very closely at odd nods flying the MSR on YouTube and frankly, a lot of them are teetering on out of control. They haven't really learned how to fly it and are speeding around all over the place, bordering on crashes. It looks flash but sooner or later, they'll be buying a new heli!! I get quite fixated on smooth control and IMO that's where the key to the big ones is. Patience and cool control. My two speeding tickets were pure accidents due to me taking risks with the MSR which is a bit silly, but the place I'm living has a lot of space so it can't go anywhere if I drop the heli. You'll HAVE to do that with the Honey Bee, Mike. It's too heavy to drop. That's why I went MSR first. When in doubt, drop it and it's fine. As long as it's not too high up, it generally lands on it's skids. I'm going to keep at it. I have a lot of patience with this kind of thing and at the moment, I don't really have the skills to do tricks and so I generally don't risk it. I'm very secure with the MCX so I take risks with that and have played around at long distance control in readiness for a big 'un. So I've done high in the sky and long distance with my second MCX. Indoor, extreme smooth for control on the MCX. Smooth as possible with MSR to learn Single Blade control properly in a large hall first and now in my front room which is about 28 or 30 feet. (navigating furniture) and a small amount of outdoor with MSR just to give me space (on grass) to open her up and see what it does. However, two big scares have sent me back indoors with the MSR and I've been flying MCX outside because I'm more confident with that. So, you see, I'm into heavy discipline and training!! Or I'm OCD. Would Sam be interested if helis had an area for the nutters to get together? Maybe club members would join? (or maybe they have their own site? RG and RC!!!! Maybe not enough to write about? Up until you started it, I was quite content with crappy toy ones and occasional flying with mates helis. Now I'm seriously learning it. I still wonder whether you need to fly MSR before putting that Bee up. At least you can drop the MSR but the Bee might get hurt. It's that single blade experience. However, the Bee you're getting is 6 channels so you are seriously going to have your hands full. I reckon there'll be a lot of sheep available up there for Christmas. Your wooden blades will take heads off!!!! What does Sam reckon? Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 3, 2011 8:49:28 GMT
The guy in this video answers a bloke who is having a hard time getting the Honey Bee of the ground and his reply is:
"Hi, if your new, you have to not baby it off the ground. they dont fly good in there on rotor wash.
you have to get them up about neck high to get them out of the rotor wash to get some good stick time!
and a good simulator helps alot! good luck"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2011 8:55:28 GMT
He's good, Mike. The heli is really smooth and even that's hard to do on a fixed rotor single blade. Yours is a step up from the V2 so it could be a lot more tricky.
It's a weird thing, but as you work at it, you start to relax and go with the heli's natural tendencies and use those to fly it. Totally different to coaxial which basically flies itself!!
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 3, 2011 19:17:43 GMT
I took a vid today of the MCX2 in a "controlled flight" situation.... basically, I had to keep it in shot of the camera lens so this meant flying VERY close to the window.... it's nothing spectacular but it is a lot harder being precise than it is throwing it around the room at a rate of knots.... you can see the gale blowing outside the window (60mph gusts) and there was a slight breeze going through the room as the window vents were open.... It seems to be taking an AGE to upload to Youtube so here is one I made earlier..... the tweeter on the Tannoy speaker wasn't damaged by the 'copter (BTW).... I had them both removed as I was adding some sheep's wool (fresh stuff) into the housings
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 3, 2011 19:23:51 GMT
Aha! It has uploaded..... still awaiting the music to be added.... best viewed in full screen 720p mode... not ver exciting but "controlled"... was using the stock E-Flite battery and find them a fair bit less "perky" than the Turnigy batteries..... quite a bit of "breeze compensation" going on in this one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2011 20:05:10 GMT
That looks well under control, Mike. You'll maybe need to be even more gentle on the stick with the single blade, but you're confident with the MCX2 now. I work even slower to make sure that it's totally secure, as though someone is in it and I don't want to make them sick!! You're whizzing around there and it's in a fairly tight space as well. One mistake and ...... It happens so quickly!! I still wonder whether you should try the MSR before taking the Bee on though. Especially with that weather that you're having. Here, it's totally flat outside and I've been able to take the MCX out and put it up pretty high. That gives me the feel for flying at a long distance from the heli so you're much more remote from it to the point you can't hear it even. It can be unnerving but you have a lot more space to play around in (as well as puffs of wind) so it's quite challenging. I'm being very careful with the MSR because the speed that it easily builds up is quite frightening if you're not careful. I promise you that the MSR would be all over the room at the speed you're working the MCX there. However, you'd be flying indoors and so getting a feel for that 'ice' slip that you get with it. www.rc-choppers.com/index.cfm/product/399?utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=pcn&utm_term=Blade_mSR_Helicopter_Only&utm_content=feed&utm_campaign=RCChoppersJust in case you feel you need indoor work before, it can be had here without transmitter or charger. It's a bit cheaper but it may be a bit cheaper than crashing the Bee and having to fix or replace it. Have you chatted to Sam about it? Failing that, a simulator I suppose but they feel incredibly dodgy until you get a 'feel' for them. No sign of the Bee yet? I'm quite excited for you actually!! I would just be worried about smacking it and after my experiences with the MSR, there's a high possibility, Mike. Don't rush it - the Bee will be in Iceland before you know it!!! Nice chat site: www.helifreak.com/index.phpIan
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 3, 2011 21:06:53 GMT
Have a look now.... the "disco" beat has been added [/quote]
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2011 21:13:14 GMT
They do look funny charging around. Little tiny heli having spasms in mid air!! It's the maiden Bee flight I'm looking forward to......... Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 3, 2011 22:04:06 GMT
They do look funny charging around. Little tiny heli having spasms in mid air!! It's the maiden Bee flight I'm looking forward to......... Ian Stop it! I'm not THAT bad I'm confident I can get the Honey Bee airborne..... It's the landing that may pose a problem Let's see how it goes
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2011 7:04:45 GMT
No, you're flying it really well!! What's really strange is the wind outside when it's been hot, blue and absolutely flat down here. I was laughing about you perhaps taking it out there as well!!! Iceland and beyond ........ Never mind 'to infinity and beyond!!' I can't believe how different the weather is. I was out in shorts last night flying the MCX in the garden. I'm not taking the MSR out yet (again) until I get a real grip of it because mistakes happen really fast with it. I think of the Bee as being harder to get into the air than get it down!! It'll lurch off to the sides but coming down, if you just slowly bring the throttle down, it'll basically go straight. Up is another story - they never go up straight unless you use the aileron at the same time and then let go once it's in the air. Then comes the balancing act, where it feels as though it's on the top of a very steep hill and wants to slide in any direction!! Overcompensation is the biggest problem. You'll have to choose the right day though, Mike unless you have a bloody big room. The chances of whacking walls, furniture etc with something like that are pretty high!! You'll have a lot of fun with it!!! Surely it'll come today? Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 4, 2011 14:36:38 GMT
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 4, 2011 18:07:31 GMT
Took this video of the tiny little £14.99 MiniX copter... she's quite a perky little thing
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 4, 2011 18:59:35 GMT
Average kind of gusts up here in October so it's gonna be fun trying to fly the Honey Bee in the back garden! No sightings of it yet, she's on her way from Northern Ireland:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2011 19:04:13 GMT
You've put some time in on that, Mike!! You're flying ;ike an old pro. Actually, that little thing looks (and sounds) like a midge. It does move for a coaxial. It seems faster than the MCX actually, but that may be more to do with its size.
I've been doing some 'intensive' on the MSR and I've finally cracked it. It's all down to the trim. In the end, I satrted just hovering as steady as I could and played with the trimming and minute amounts kind of build up over a time so say, two clicks to the left may seem fine, but eventually the heli starts creeping so you take it one back. That slight trim makes a lot of difference.
The funny one is the one that I never really considered: the throttle trim.
I re-read the book and it says at one point, get the heli in a hover and if it starts creeping up, then trim it down. I did that and it's made a lot of difference to the up/down motion and it just seems smoother.
So I've now got it flying slow and smooth rather than banging around in the air.
I may wait for another calm day and take it out for some long distance, but I'm determined to get a grip of it.
I've also noticed that the Single blade needs some forward motion on left turns and slight back motion on right. It's more stable that way in turns.
I'm a bit scared of banking because that's what makes it go off at 100 mph. If you bank and turn, it is ridiculously fast and that's how I nearly crashed it from high up. Because I had lots of space to play around in, I did a turn and a bank and before I knew it, it was giving me a haircut. So fast, I didn't see it!!!
Be careful with that Bee. If you bamk and turn with that, it'll take your head off, not your hair!!!!
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 4, 2011 19:16:27 GMT
Ian, It's been like this for three days now so no chance of taking the bee out even if it was here.... [/quote] The throttle trim is absolutely essential.... ideally, with the stick in the midway position the 'copter should hover and not move up or down.... it should stay hovering all day. I didn't realise this at first either....lock the throttle stick in the centre position and trim until the 'copter hovers without moving up or down.... this is the best position, nice and smooth as you say
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 4, 2011 19:57:06 GMT
Talking about "wind" October is probably my favourite month up here.... the boats get removed out of the local harbour and the gales commence! They absolutely RIP around the building and there's nothing better than laying in bed (with the window open) listening to the wind howling around the building.... I can also hear the waves crashing onto the shore (HUGE waves!)..... It calms down in November but October is known to be a windy month.... the only place I have ever seen with vertical rain.... it doesn't come "down", it comes "across".... best time for outdoor flying will be when it's icy... usually "bitter" cold but clear skies and zero wind.... the added benefit of that is the motors on the Honey Bee will run cool.... I think these reports of the motors burning out are mostly from these guys who live in the Arizona desert and such like. The heatsinks around the motors plus ICE should ensure those puppies fly cool The "pilot" will be wrapped up like the Michelin man tho'.... there's always a compromise, isn't there?
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 4, 2011 20:07:39 GMT
Trying to get the MCX2 as close to the camera as possible.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2011 21:00:07 GMT
That's really under control now, Mike. You look like me flying mine now. All you need is a little plastic man inside no and he could smile for the camera.
With the little Midge, it would be nice to get the MCX batteries to power it in some way. Much more worthwhile than charging via usb.
That's the big drawback with those usb helis. The battery is normally stick inside the front canopy on a lip with double sided sticky tape. I've removed enough of them. They're not that good and don't last too long.
If you could stick MCX batteries in, at least you could fly for longer than 7 or 8 minutes with it.
With the MCX and MSR, I just rotate 16 batteries. They seem to go on forever. Say 7 minutes each gives 112 minutes. Nearly 2 hours flying in the park or garden without going in.
The little one looks good. Couple of eyes on it and you have a midge!!
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 4, 2011 21:57:07 GMT
That's really under control now, Mike. You look like me flying mine now. All you need is a little plastic man inside no and he could smile for the camera. With the little Midge, it would be nice to get the MCX batteries to power it in some way. Much more worthwhile than charging via usb. That's the big drawback with those usb helis. The battery is normally stick inside the front canopy on a lip with double sided sticky tape. I've removed enough of them. They're not that good and don't last too long. If you could stick MCX batteries in, at least you could fly for longer than 7 or 8 minutes with it. With the MCX and MSR, I just rotate 16 batteries. They seem to go on forever. Say 7 minutes each gives 112 minutes. Nearly 2 hours flying in the park or garden without going in. The little one looks good. Couple of eyes on it and you have a midge!! Ian What the hell ever happened to "headphones"? I spend quite a lot of my "spare" time on the "stick" these days.... it REALLY is addictive and I am looking forward to mastering the Honey Bee. The "club" hasn't started yet (not dark enough) they only congregate in deepest dark winter..... I am working on a few projects (believe it or not) and am still working away like a busy bee BUT...... most of my spare time has been focused on RC helicopters..... I think quite a lot of us here are OCD..... I can't see ME posting ANYTHING valuable about headphone amps until I have got rid of the RC helicopter bug and that may take some SERIOUS time to master
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2011 7:07:46 GMT
I listen while I fly!! MP3 is great for that but you lose a little contact with the heli when you can't hear the whirring. I tend to wander between the two. Helis do tend to take over because they demand attention. You can't just send one up and it flies itself. I have to really concentrate. (Probably 'cos I'm a bit thick) It does take my mind right off work though. Headphones do to an extent, but only if the music is good. I think with hi fi, we're mostly talking minutia and once you realise that, you kind of don't mind what anyone says if you see what I mean. I can't be bothered to argue about a headphone or an amp any more because it's not that important anyway. The place where you got reinstated just makes me laugh. It tends to attract people who are 'all knowing' and have found their own 'guru' space or kids who don't spend more than a tenner and discuss the plook out of the finer nuances of an earbud. I've kind of found a place where I'm not really bothered about what people think of hi fi, and I'm more interested if something new appears in case it'll enhance my listening pleasure!! To me, the music has always been more important and the hi fi is just the mans to an end. Having said that, I do have some nice sounding stuff, mostly due to RG in fact. Cheap as well. However, you do get to a point where it becomes just 'different' rather than 'better' I think. Helis at the moment, are more of a challenge and boy, you have your time booked with that new one. The weather will really get to you because you'll be gagging to get out there!! Have you a big indoor space to just hop about and get a feel for it? I don't think I have a big enough space to let it go up safely. If they do a 'swing' or 'pendulum' you could run out of area. Not sure. With the little MSR, I give it a build up to get an air cushion under it and then go up evenly but quite fast. The heli then rises quite smoothly and if it lurches, I use the aileron for correction. (Very little) It also has a slight tendency to veer off centre if you suddenly rev or let go. That's the back end. That can be a bit of a pain, so you have to also correct for revs on the 'yaw'. Still, all good practice and I'm starting to feel confident enough to get a bigger one up safely. My problem now is which one? The Bee is very attractive. (Both fixed wing and yours) I'm wondering how you're going to find that one because it is advanced and if you're able to manage it then it's becoming a very attractive propostion. However, I have the transmitter (and you do) for the sr120. If I can get one cheap, I'd try that perhaps and then go to the Bee that you have maybe. I hear that the 120sr batteries are not the best though and at the moment, no equivalent. Maybe Sam knows better? See, now you've caused me trouble ...... I'm looing at my upgrade path. MCX - MSR - 120SR - Bee - Austin Mini. The cost right up to the Bee isn't too bad when you compare to hi fi and if you go 'heli only bnf'. Life is tough eh? Nah ...... it's great to have an interest in something, even if it's keeping tadpoles. Who cares? Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 5, 2011 8:30:37 GMT
The Rogue 500 looks like a nice bird Ian.
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