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Post by Nigel on Apr 18, 2011 18:14:06 GMT
Think LP sound degrades with every play?  Check below for proof it will last your lifetime. www.vinylengine.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=36734An experiment....
Many people , especially those ready to criticise the medium talk of the wearing out of LP's with use. I have never thought this a viable concern. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2011 19:21:24 GMT
In all the years I have played vinyl the sound never got better, only worse, more ticks e.t.c. So the sound quality can only decrease over time. The more careful you are with your vinyl and needle and the less often you play it the longer it will last and the less the degradation.  The statement: there is no degradation (perhaps to the listeners ears ?) is a bit wishfull thinking IMO. Doesn't mean you can't enjoy well maintained vinyl though. Haven't got that problem with 99.9% of my CD's .... a fellow detractor  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2011 20:05:28 GMT
Uh oh! This one again For me, a lover of vinyl, I have to say that all the LPs I have owned from new still sound that way ie no noticeable nasties have arisen. This is more than I can say for my CD collection which has a handful of discs that have suffered "rust" and pit-holing, to an extent that makes them less playable.  HOWEVER The notion that the LP will not wear detrimentally over time has to be daft. A diamond (like wot vay use in cutting machines mate) being dragged through an intricate array of undulations in plastic (no ve 'ardest material known to man) not doing damage over extended play time? Ahem! The protagonist said something on the lines of only one part of the record is in contact with the stylus at any one time so how can damage be done...OK, the same can be said for tape to head contact, and that never wears out either(sic) ;D So here I sit, arse so firmly perched on the fence that I'm suffering from splinters  Every format has its problems, but if digital can finally deliver on its promise of increased sound quality then bring it on. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2011 22:04:28 GMT
Think LP sound degrades with every play? Check below for proof it will last your lifetime. www.vinylengine.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=36734An experiment....
Many people , especially those ready to criticise the medium talk of the wearing out of LP's with use. I have never thought this a viable concern.Hi Nigel Care to explain why diamonds, which are used in the stylus, and are among the hardest things known to man, need replacement ?  It surely isn't due to all the fine dust that is attracted to this spinning piece of vinyl like a magnet.For a diamond stylus to wear, it needs to be causing FAR more wear elsewhere ! Alex |
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Post by PinkFloyd on Apr 18, 2011 23:05:02 GMT
What the hell, does it really matter? Your average Vinyl long player will outlast your average human "being" lifespan.... 78rpm still playing a tune after almost 100 years You really cannot knock this format and I reckon the majority of CD's will be in a landfill site way before 100 years have passed (along with billions of "USB sticks")..... As a storage medium for music the Vinyl LP has to be the numero uno where longevity is concerned.... the "best" USB sticks come with a paltry 10 year guarantee and you will have to back up your data over and over again (and possibly lose it all when a new format supercedes it)...... with Vinyl all you have to do is scratch it with a diamond and it's good to go for hundreds of years. All this digital shit is good "right now" but when will today's hard drive full of the latest technology become yesterday's news?..... 6 months? a year? two years top A constant BATTLE keeping up to date with all the formats and nothing but stress..... not what relaxing with music was ever intended to be...... Your Vinyl LP May give the occasional click and pop but you can be as sure as day that it will STILL be clicking and popping and making music when you are dead and buried.... your "USB stick" will be buried long before you are |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2011 5:33:09 GMT
Consider this... In 50 years time you cannot play a CD anymore as the format will probably be not be supported by then. Put vinyl on something that rotates... stick a needle through a Matchbox and you can hear what's on it and don't even need electric power. (not in hifi stereo though  ) I agree on the various formats. See: El-cassette, betamax, Super VHS even regular VHS, VCR1500/1700, V2000, video 8, 8 track, video laser disc, big floppy discs (sometimes even the smaller floppy discs), DCC, minidisc and some more forgotten formats you could find it hard getting a decent/working player for. Even a decent compact cassette player or taperecorder with the right speed/head is already proving difficult to find. Fortunately when a new format appears in most cases you can make lossless copies to that format and save the recordings for a later day. Vinyl doesn't make the copy of the original master more accurate though. even if it sounds 'better' to some. But who cares as long as it sounds good to the one that is listening to it. Vinyl does have 'something' with the whole ritual/caring/feeling that surrounds it. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2011 19:20:16 GMT
Now that's something I can go along with.
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Post by Nigel on Apr 30, 2011 19:55:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2011 21:52:27 GMT
Who the hell is Michael Fremer ? Is he MERTON's 2nd cousin twice removed ? ;D The public has already voted, and LP will remain a niche product for only a minute percentage of the population who like to play yesterday's music over and over , as it reminds them of the days when life was simpler and at a more comfortable pace ! High resolution digital is already here, and far superior to any LP. |
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Post by Z on May 1, 2011 3:31:45 GMT
I don't appreciate you insulting me by associating me with this strange fellow. Also, you may want to consider getting lives. You do realize that you've all been arguing about disks with holes in them, right? Are holed disks really that important to you?
Actually, this guy makes sense to me.... hmmmm....
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2011 5:02:58 GMT
I don't appreciate you insulting me by associating me with this strange fellow........................ Actually, this guy makes sense to me.... hmmmm.... You have just made my point for me ! ;D |
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Post by PinkFloyd on May 1, 2011 9:22:43 GMT
It's a sexual thing Colt.... just the word "hole" gets people tenting.... if the discs didn't have holes then there would be no discussion.
It's ALL about sex..... "needle in the groove"... we all know what that is referring to!
Grooves, holes, needles.... it's all sexual!
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Post by Z on May 1, 2011 19:08:43 GMT
I don't appreciate you insulting me by associating me with this strange fellow........................ Actually, this guy makes sense to me.... hmmmm.... You have just made my point for me ! ;D yeah, well, you try arguing with a guy that say spending less can mean a better sound system. that argument always works for me! |
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Post by PinkFloyd on May 1, 2011 22:24:38 GMT
You have just made my point for me ! ;D yeah, well, you try arguing with a guy that say spending less can mean a better sound system. that argument always works for me! It's a sexual thing.... arguments lead to sex.... lack of sex leads to arguments.... seems the entire world rotates with "sex" as the "driver"...... Needle in the groove, pump up the jam, get down on it..... it's all pointing to a sex thang..... pity really, man would be a lot more creative and at peace with himself if his balls were chopped off at birth...... Codpiece man (unfortunately) seems to be the nature of the beast: WORD! |
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Post by rowuk on May 22, 2011 11:16:08 GMT
Duplicating dumb does not make it more credible. Increasing links brings dumb up higher on the Google search lists.
Vinyl has made its mark and continues to provide pleasure a very long time after introduction. The 33RPM record was a concession to playing length. 23 minutes per side was about the attention span of the average listener and therefore the average length of one movement in a large classical piece of music. Those composers were no dummies!
The CD was comprimised to get 70 minutes of music on a disc (the typical maximum length of a complete full scale classical work) at FM broadcast quality (19kHz).
Vinyl does wear - even if many ears can't (won't) hear it. When discs get older, the plasticizer no longer keeps the groove pliable/compressable. Damage occurs.
Digitized music can be easily bulk copied to a different storage format. A complete collection of vinyl or tape needs many otherwize unproductive hours to accomplish the same thing.
My advice: digitize your vinyl at the highest possible rate to the least intrusive format to YOUR ears (FLAC, WAV, OggVorbis, AAC, whatever). Then all bets are covered. No arguments.
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