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Post by krisno on Feb 9, 2010 12:51:58 GMT
Hi
I am using the X-can V2 now - though PC as source. I must say - with the russian tubes - i miss the magic of the Jan Philips mids. The mids on Jan Philips is the best I've ever heard. So I need those
Mike; Do you have a set of 2 matched Jan Philips or Jan Sylvania NOS you want to sell me?
The russians just dont carry that magic.....
Kristian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Feb 9, 2010 14:24:35 GMT
Hi I am using the X-can V2 now - though PC as source. I must say - with the russian tubes - i miss the magic of the Jan Philips mids. The mids on Jan Philips is the best I've ever heard. So I need those Mike; Do you have a set of 2 matched Jan Philips or Jan Sylvania NOS you want to sell me? The russians just dont carry that magic..... Kristian Kris, I have about 30 Jan / Philips (joint army navy) 6922 that have never seen the light of day / original cartons.... you want a pair? Mike. |
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Post by krisno on Feb 9, 2010 15:03:55 GMT
if you are to be honest - how is the bass response on the 6922 compared to the russians? anyways what you want for a pair? I really think that the midrange of the jan philips are great. don't you? What about Jan Sylvania, are they just the same... thanks
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Post by krisno on Feb 9, 2010 16:59:48 GMT
I just have to comment - the V2 turbo modded, even using my onboard soundcard on this new workstation(not laptop) - AKG K 701 - on select songs, it really sounds fantastic. It really does.... I will leave it for the night looping sepultura - chaos A.D.
But I notice, it really has to warm up before sounding its best... 30minutes atleast.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Feb 9, 2010 22:58:08 GMT
if you are to be honest - how is the bass response on the 6922 compared to the russians? anyways what you want for a pair? I really think that the midrange of the jan philips are great. don't you? What about Jan Sylvania, are they just the same... thanks Kris, The 6922 are BLOODY nice sounding valves (and they last a lifetime) Military spec (Joint Army / Navy standards) made in the USA. I think, back in the day (when the V2 first came out) that people just wanted to change them "because they could" and gave them bad press to justify changing them. I must admit, I was guilty of that too many years ago thinking that "stock" equated to "I could do better". People, including me, are starting to see sense and realise that the Jan / Philips MF fitted in the V2 are top quality items..... they can no longer source them in quantity and the V8 has cheap 6DJ8 substitutes from China  My opinion on the 6922 years later? Superb, and they do beat the Russians in certain respects (midrange in particular) there was criticism back in the day that they were a bit "shrill" in the highs but the guys who were reporting that probably didn't give them enough time to burn in. Anyways.... it's now 2010 and time for new opinions and who better to give them an honest appraisal than your good self  I've had a look in my valve stash and have about 20 cartons of them.... all from the same batch (January 1986)...... I wasn't planning to sell these (keeping them as an investment) but I will let a pair go for £22.50 shipped. Here's a pic of a couple of cartons:   |
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Post by krisno on Feb 10, 2010 10:53:17 GMT
Right... atleast the midrange I know is more magic than the russians. But I remember the V3 have some lack in bass, but that might be the V3 vs V2, so that even with Jan Philipps the V2 turbo will deliver bass in spades?? yes?
Where do I xfer money, give me your paypal adress and I will wire today.
Send me a matched pair.. thanks.
K
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Post by krisno on Feb 12, 2010 10:54:43 GMT
It really is annoying how so many people talk about things they know nothing about.
One thing is the Jan Phillips tubes - the midrange is in a total different league compared to for example the Russians. And they are the most hated tubes on head-fi.org. It is total madness. I think it must be the Jan tubes in the origianl V3 I had that made it so nice on that Sony DVD player... But of course - the bass was an issue - but not sure what caused it.
Pinkie - one question - by using these larger PSU caps in the V2 - does it make it 'slower'? Smaller caps are faster than large ones?
K
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Post by steveyg on Feb 12, 2010 13:29:51 GMT
Shouldn't do. The bulk caps used in the power supply section are not being stressed anywhere near their peak ripple current limit, and the bypass caps placed strategically around the main PCB are used for HF filtering.
The PSU caps will take longer to charge initially at power on, but other than that, they'll behave pretty similarly to the originals.
The greatest benefit can be gained by bypassing the 10uF caps on the main board with 10 or 100nF caps.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Feb 12, 2010 21:01:56 GMT
The greatest benefit can be gained by bypassing the 10uF caps on the main board with 10 or 100nF caps. The GREATEST benefit can be gained by REMOVING the 10uF caps and jumpering over the pads with a wire link (or radial ferrite inductor). The 10uF input caps are not required in the V2, they are belt and braces jobs and the SQ improves dramatically with them removed from circuit. |
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Post by PinkFloyd on Feb 12, 2010 21:34:20 GMT
Kris, Your 6922 shipped today. I agree with you, they are a very under-rated valve and it's quite simple why they got such bad press on Head-Fi....... they came shipped with the amp and, we all know, that anything that is "stock" can't be good and immediately needs to be replaced ;D  Funnily enough, my valve review of 12 years ago doesn't exactly rave about them www.rock-grotto.co.uk/valvetest.htm On reflection, and from what I have heard over the years since that review, I can only assume the V2 I was listening to, at the time, was not optimally biased for the Philips. I will have to do a "12 years later" add on to that write up because, over the years, I have heard many V2's with Philips 6922 that have sounded stunning. Another thing, the valves I tested back then came from unknown sources and were probably "used" even though sold as "NOS". I had a quick listen to the pair I sent you and will let you describe the SQ.... let's just say, you will NOT be disappointed Kris By the way...... had a rummage and found a few more lurking in the vault   |
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Post by PinkFloyd on Feb 12, 2010 21:38:15 GMT
As Steve says, no problems here  |
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Post by mrarroyo on Feb 13, 2010 2:52:35 GMT
Mike, I would like to buy at least two sets. If ok with you I will pay using the donate button, please confirm.
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Post by steveyg on Feb 13, 2010 13:11:52 GMT
The greatest benefit can be gained by bypassing the 10uF caps on the main board with 10 or 100nF caps. The GREATEST benefit can be gained by REMOVING the 10uF caps and jumpering over the pads with a wire link (or radial ferrite inductor). The 10uF input caps are not required in the V2, they are belt and braces jobs and the SQ improves dramatically with them removed from circuit. I think we're talking about different caps. I was talking about the 10uF caps on the power supply rails not the input caps edit: Just noticed they're 100uF on V2, and 10uF on the V1 |
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Post by pjc68 on Feb 13, 2010 13:54:58 GMT
Has anyone had any experience with the following valves in their v2. brimar e88cc. mullard e88cc. ussr e88cc/cv2492. tesla e88cc steel pin. ecg 6922 (phillips blue writting). tesla e88cc gold pin. brimar e88cc gold pin. tronix e88cc/cv5358. dont know if these are compatable - mullard e188cc/7308 steel pin. Looking at buying a pair of mullard e88cc valves, how do they compare to the 6n32p. paddy |
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Post by charlie on Feb 13, 2010 18:35:01 GMT
Are these same Jan-Philips 6922 valves used in the X-can V3 or does that also have cheaper substitutes?
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Post by dean0 on Feb 13, 2010 20:33:04 GMT
I don't have the same amp (Bijou), but the best I have heard is 6DJ8/6922 Amperex Bugle Boy Holland 1960's. Excellent midrange compared to Mullard and Sylvania varients, hard to find at a good price though.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Feb 13, 2010 22:18:22 GMT
Has anyone had any experience with the following valves in their v2. brimar e88cc. mullard e88cc. ussr e88cc/cv2492. tesla e88cc steel pin. ecg 6922 (phillips blue writting). tesla e88cc gold pin. brimar e88cc gold pin. tronix e88cc/cv5358. dont know if these are compatable - mullard e188cc/7308 steel pin. Looking at buying a pair of mullard e88cc valves, how do they compare to the 6n32p. paddy Hi Paddy, Tried most of them and ALL sound good, just a case of "you" deciding what suits your ears best..... most of the valve "idea" is wrapped up in myths and superstition and a lot of it is placebo with the "hardest to find" valves being considered the "best" (and the most costly)..... In the real world there is VERY little difference between them in an "X-CAN" but a 1960 Mullard or Bugle boy has an air of mystery surrounding it so it MUST sound better than a current production Electro Harmonix. Of COURSE there are subtle differences in sound quality between all of the brands but, the truth is, those differences are not "huge"..... IMO, only a madman would pay £200 for a pair of NOS E88CC valves. I tend to go with vintage 6H23N Russians.... they are reliable, well built and sound good..... most importantly, they are relatively cheap. Remember too.... a valve is only as good as it's bias.... if the bias is out you'd be as well rolling in milk bottles  Way too many variables involved and the truth is this..... if a particular valve (for any reason be it placebo, date code, brand) suits your ears then go with it..... I just hate the associated snobbery (from clueless people) that has become part of the valve selection process. Mike. |
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Post by krisno on Feb 14, 2010 9:58:04 GMT
I agree with Mike. But its not just regarding tubes - its regarding the whole HIFI community.
But I have to say - there is a quite big difference in midrange of the Jan Phillips and the Russians. But the Russians are not bad I guess. Nice bass - but tubes are never as smooth as solidstate. It sounds akward to say that, but there is some inherent 'screechy' sound in the upper registers on all tube amps. It is somewhat harsher in the top than any solid state.
You see these woo amps with extra blackgate upgrade etc. THE WEAK LINK IN TUBE AMPS ARE THE TUBES - no matter what price tube you get. In my opinion...
Anyways - Jan Phillips vs Russians, the midrange is in a different place. Also the V2 was designed aroudn the Phillips, so maybe that also makes them sound nice? But the midrange of those Jans are really noticable..
NICE STOCK YOU HAVE THERE! Maybe I buy another pair, will try these first.. I am going to Poland for 5 weeks, so wont be able to try them before that..
K
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Post by mrarroyo on Feb 14, 2010 15:58:55 GMT
Krisno, I do not know your system and I do not have your ears. But you keep on saying that "all tube amps" are not smooth and they have an screechy sound. This is not what I hear and I have listened to quite a few tube and SS amps. Wonder why you have such an issue?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2010 21:04:27 GMT
Krisno, I do not know your system and I do not have your ears. But you keep on saying that "all tube amps" are not smooth and they have an screechy sound. This is not what I hear and I have listened to quite a few tube and SS amps. Wonder why you have such an issue? Miguel Perhaps he is more discerning than you are ?  Let's not forget that he is also a little over half your age, and may even still be able hear annoying things like the whistle from the EHT transformer in TV sets. Alex |
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Post by krisno on Feb 15, 2010 11:41:01 GMT
Well they do - The V2, The V3 had it also, and even the V8... screecy recordings sounds worse on tubes vs solidstate, even though the overall sound seems more laid back and smoother.
But I stand on that - smooth as only solid state can be. A good solidstate is smoother than any tube amp... it is something on the top there. Screechy kind of ...
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Post by PinkFloyd on Feb 15, 2010 11:49:02 GMT
Mike, I would like to buy at least two sets. If ok with you I will pay using the donate button, please confirm. Sorry Miguel, didn't see your post..... yup. ok with me man. Mike. |
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Post by PinkFloyd on Feb 15, 2010 22:31:25 GMT
Well they do - The V2, The V3 had it also, and even the V8... screecy recordings sounds worse on tubes vs solidstate, even though the overall sound seems more laid back and smoother. But I stand on that - smooth as only solid state can be. A good solidstate is smoother than any tube amp... it is something on the top there. Screechy kind of ... Which is why a lot of people "back in the day" called the Philips 6922 "glassy / ear bleeding" ..... a lot of "young" ears listening to the V2 at that time..... maybe it's just suited to us old "deaf" bastards |
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Post by krisno on Feb 19, 2010 15:12:37 GMT
I think the V2 is for the deaf people... Mike, even your own comment on audioreview.com from 2004 you state that the V2 is bright.... The V2 is very bright, and its not the Jan phillips tubes doing it, its the damn design of the amp. The V3 is the most underrated amp ever... The V3 wasnt bright, it was darker, alot darker than the V2. I dont know how they did it - maybe more uf in the psu part? I should not have sold my V3, I shuold have modded it .... I can only dream of how a V3 with best parts would sound... Did you ever try to install black gates in the whole V2 or V3 - did it make any noticable difference compared to panasonics?? Kristian |
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Post by krisno on Feb 19, 2010 15:32:07 GMT
btw; is the Reflector 6H23-EB better than the 6N23p I got from you Mike? I mean - whats the difference in sound ? thanks..
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