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Post by derekrumble on Jan 28, 2010 17:40:42 GMT
It's great to see that new thread for vinyl discussion but this topic is not for there is it? I am not going to say why I prefer digital in there. It's not tactful is it?
When CD first arrived I was absolutely blown away with it. Yes, it was a bit hard and sterile -but sound came from nowhere! Instruments started to play out of an inky blackness. I didn't have to strain to hear what was going on. Take somthing like Holst's Planets and those violins at the start of Mars; the bows bouncing on the strings. Or the way Venus fades to silence - vinyl didnt do this trick for me. And pitch security too - I am sensistive to minor pitch instability from off centre records and there are quite a few in my collection. And no random pops and clicks, and no mistracking at the end movements which are often the loudest .
I first heard CD domestically at a friend's house. Exposure amps, LS3/5a speakers with an Audio-Pro sub and a Philips CD 473 (IIRC). Fabulous. Eevntually I bought the 471 - the same CDP but without remore control. £280 I think. Treble a little grainy but a nice 'organic,' fluid sound.
Background silence, speed stabilty and no mistracking. That's what does the trick with CD / digital for me. I place those characteristics up next to the fairy at the top of the tree.
I am so pleased thatthe audio industry has continued to identify why digital sometimes doesn't sound so good. And now we have 24/96 and better, new filter designs, FAR better ADCs than back in the eighties. Nice!
Derek
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Post by freddypipsqueek on Jan 28, 2010 19:59:17 GMT
I have a moderately good record player. Through speakers etc it has a warmer sound that I enjoy as much (if not more) than CD.
With headphones however the background noise of a turntable is unacceptable and I expect most headphone listerners prefer CD and have tailored their DACs, cables and amps (tubes etc) to keep the CD clarity with a record player feel.
I stand to be corrected !!
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Post by derekrumble on Jan 29, 2010 10:09:02 GMT
With headphones however the background noise of a turntable is unacceptable yes agree with you there - if I listen to LP through headphones I have to keep the volume low. D.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2010 10:20:09 GMT
With headphones however the background noise of a turntable is unacceptable yes agree with you there - if I listen to LP through headphones I have to keep the volume low. D. Derek Perhaps you can answer this question ? What is the purpose of the turntable cover ? Is it to help prevent mistracking of the stylus due to acoustic feedback from the speakers, OR to to reduce the noise of the diamond stylus as it it enlarges the grooves, as well as to stop you hearing music coming directly from the stylus during high level passages ? Alex
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Post by robertkd on Jan 29, 2010 10:42:08 GMT
Simple,... it's to stop your children from garbing the tone arm and attempting to forcefully remove it from the turn table whilst the system was trying to reproduce music,... or maybe something to do with direct microfity of the tone-arm/platter and the dust attracted to the rotating static accumulator
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Post by derekrumble on Jan 29, 2010 13:50:47 GMT
Perhaps you can answer this question ? What is the purpose of the turntable cover ? Is it to help prevent mistracking of the stylus due to acoustic feedback from the speakers, OR to to reduce the noise of the diamond stylus as it it enlarges the grooves, as well as to stop you hearing music coming directly from the stylus during high level passages ? Alex Never have had a cover (well not since my BSR HT70 days). I have a kit Connoisseur BD1 with a DIY plinth. D.
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Post by rowuk on Apr 30, 2010 20:45:15 GMT
I have 30 year old "Hi Fi" magazines. At that time they openly talked about the REAL LIFE problems with vinyl. Today nobody wants to hear about rumble, wow and flutter, tracking distortion (vertical and horizontal), groove compression, stylus wear, airborne sound getting back into the chain, not to mention the NOISE. All of the things that I just mentioned are NOT found in the studio or concert hall and therefore distract from the music. Add to this a BIG sensitivity to ambient temperature (yes, the resonant frequency of the cartridge suspension is all over the place depending on temperature).
We can also list the unnatural things about digital, but compared to the best analog it has a lower noise floor, no audible frequency shifts, uniform (lower) distortion over the whole disk, no additional compression, no disk killing laser wear and little or no acoustic feedback modulating the signal.
All of this with the advantage of easy high quality backups and very little preparation before listening. This is the major difference: not as much to "celebrate".
Analog can be very good as can digital. There are very compelling arguments for both sides. Most of them are not based on sonics or facts, rather on religion.
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