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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2009 12:06:05 GMT
As an example, it said that a Lady Gaga music video recorded from ABC HDTV was MP3 128KBS, when it was DD 2.0 @ 384 KBS. Alex Alex that sounds about right for 2.0 in a 384Kbs mpeg audio stream ;D Robert That one was the last straw , when it said that a few hours ago. It was disagreeing also with Corel Video Studio 12 ,and TMGEnc 4.0 Express, on just about every file opened. Alex |
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Post by Will on Jul 18, 2009 12:23:34 GMT
What I find interesting about Clint's findings is that his drive can only burn DVD/CD, not Blu-Ray disks.
From the experimentation that Alex and Jeff have been doing, I was under the impression that it was the Bluray-burning capable mechanism that they have, that created better sounding disks/files, due to the more accurate burning of the pits, even though they were burning CD's.
Perhaps the accuracy of reading head needed to read Blu-ray disks, improves the accuracy of normal DVD/CD burning heads?
If this is they case, the £80 is easier to find than the £140 for the BR burning capable drive.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2009 12:50:47 GMT
What I find interesting about Clint's findings is that his drive can only burn DVD/CD, not Blu-Ray disks. From the experimentation that Alex and Jeff have been doing, I was under the impression that it was the Bluray-burning capable mechanism that they have, that created better sounding disks/files, due to the more accurate burning of the pits, even though they were burning CD's. Perhaps the accuracy of reading head needed to read Blu-ray disks, improves the accuracy of normal DVD/CD burning heads? If this is they case, the £80 is easier to find than the £140 for the BR burning capable drive. Will I am a bit mystified about those original photos showing the precision of the Blu Ray writer burns. I doubt that I have even used the Blue Laser in my writer for writing, as I have never used the writer for burning a BluRay disc. I do know that my writer's Blue Laser is functional when playing a BluRay disc though. I expect these LG BluRay products have better jitter rejection, and most likely a better optical block than normal DVD writers, due to the precision needed to play BluRay discs. CDs and DVDs would, I expect, be burned by the normal "red" laser which is part of the optical assembly. Alex |
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Post by clint on Jul 18, 2009 12:51:17 GMT
I'm not sure, but i think the only differences between the GGC and the GGW lies on the firmware. I think the writter option is blocked in the GGC.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2009 21:17:19 GMT
I'm not sure, but i think the only differences between the GGC and the GGW lies on the firmware. I think the writter option is blocked in the GGC. Clint It seems highly unlikely that a manufacturer would disable a feature in Firmware, then sell the unit at a price well below that of the same product that is fully enabled.That doesn't make much commercial sense. If they could afford to sell such a unit at a price well below that of a fully enabled unit, they could sell the real deal at a similar, or lower price than it is currently selling for, and save on using 2 different manufacturing lines,2 different types of packaging and inventory .Perhaps they are using a cheaper and much lower powered Blue Laser diode for reading the BluRay and HD formats , as well as other economies? Alex |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2009 21:48:28 GMT
What is this in reference too? I don't remember discussing the topic of cd-r versus original cds.
Oh I get it. You are having a go at me for NOT believing there is software that can find the differences between bit perfect identical files. Sorry Alex, if I believed that, our society would collapse over night.
You may what to read up on the "Uncertainty principle" which basically states anything is theoretically possible given enough time. Also you could find your aswer in "Quantum entanglement".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2009 22:24:32 GMT
Hi Greg
No , it was just a sly dig in response to this post :
At the time, rather than have a go at someone on line, that I class as a friend ( Hopefully, we still are friends,despite this petty disagreement ?) I sent you an email suggesting that you talk to another Sydney member,who is employed in the same industry as yourself, using private email exchanges, as I had lost the original report from him. More recently, I sent you a PM , offering to give you a FYI ONLY, copy of this unbiased report, that I found I had saved as a .txt file. Perhaps you missed my PM too?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2009 23:25:08 GMT
I am sorry for posting: Reply #20 on Jul 12, 2009, 9:21am and apologise for today's post, I realise I was in error in responding in anyway on this or similar topics.
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Post by clint on Jul 18, 2009 23:38:11 GMT
I'm not sure, but i think the only differences between the GGC and the GGW lies on the firmware. I think the writter option is blocked in the GGC. Clint It seems highly unlikely that a manufacturer would disable a feature in Firmware, then sell the unit at a price well below that of the same product that is fully enabled.That doesn't make much commercial sense. If they could afford to sell such a unit at a price well below that of a fully enabled unit, they could sell the real deal at a similar, or lower price than it is currently selling for, and save on using 2 different manufacturing lines,2 different types of packaging and inventory .Perhaps they are using a cheaper and much lower powered Blue Laser diode for reading the BluRay and HD formats , as well as other economies? Alex Whatever laser or mechs these guys use in this player, it is IMO a much better transport than the Plextor. And it is not so surprizing...the same happens regarding transport qualities in other audio sources, like cd players... Better reading = Better writing, don't you think?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2009 23:48:51 GMT
I am sorry for posting: Reply #20 on Jul 12, 2009, 9:21am and apologise for today's post, I realise I was in error in responding in anyway on this or similar topics. regards Greg You are quite at liberty to post on any subject that you wish,and disagree with anything that I have to say. Did you actually receive the email and PM that I sent you, as I received no achknowledgement of their receipt? If so, why aren't you at least willing to read the report that I mentioned, before also dismissing the findings of quite a few RG members who have posted replies in RG ? Regards Alex |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2009 23:56:04 GMT
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Are you able to try the latest version of EAC, which is a free download, then calibrate your existing original writer , as well as the new LG writer to their server ? After that, you could try a rip of a high quality musical track that you are very familiar with, using both writers, and see if they both still sound the same from both your HDD, and from a copy of each track burned to the same CD by the LG writer ?
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Post by clint on Jul 19, 2009 0:52:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 1:32:07 GMT
Clint There is quite a good setup guide at the attached link. However, there is a later version of EAC available directly from the EAC site. www.exactaudiocopy.de/en/index.php/resources/download/www.teqnilogik.com/tutorials/eac.shtmlAfter you have setup the drives, I would recommend that you tick the box for "Secure Mode" Initially, I would try using "Test and Copy" until you are happy that the CDs you are using are in good condition. Later, you can click on "Copy selected tracks" - "uncompressed" - Save Waveform, (select appropiate folder and location) then Save. Before this step, you may wish to click on "Database" - "Get CD Information from" - "Remote freedb' If the album is in this database, the tracks will then be named, instead of just numbered. Alex |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 1:45:20 GMT
You are quite at liberty to post on any subject that you wish,and disagree with anything that I have to say. Did you actually receive the email and PM that I sent you, as I received no acknowledgment of their receipt? If so, why aren't you at least willing to read the report that I mentioned, before also dismissing the findings of quite a few RG members who have posted replies in RG ? Hi Alex, No really. The specific topic of bit perfect identical files sounding different is smoked screened by a host of side topics, such as the difference in rippers, CD-R vs CD, CD vs BluRay, HDD vs memory etc. The logic or problem solving process of a lot of people people seems alien to me. My brain must work in a different manner. The response to nay-sayers always goes like this: 1) Are you calling me a liar? (personal attack). 2) Your system is not good enough to detect the difference. 3) You have bad hearing, you need to train your ears. 4) Look at the anecdotal evidence, you are wrong. So I don't need to post because I already know the responses. Also, people get a lot of pleasure from audio, and I don't like spoil other's enjoyment by saying; "I believe xxx is wrong". Yes, I received the emails and PMs, but I didn't want to waste everyone's time in an exercise that I can see only causing me grief. I was hoping to let things quietly slip by. BTW: I have tried the following tests in the past and have never gotten the "right" answer so there is no hope for me.  CD-R vs original CD black CDs vs silver CDs gold CDs vs silver CDs flac vs WAV slow ripping vs fast ripping HDD vs USB drive firmware 15 vs firmware xx regards |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 2:22:48 GMT
Hi Greg
The standard types of replies that you have mentioned are a 2 way street. I feel sure that you would have seen some of the extremely sarcastic replies directed at me in DIYAudio, when I reported my observations originally ?
Replies with stuff like getting monks to transcribe the binary notes with a pen dipped in sacrificial goat's blood.
Is it any wonder that I am no longer prepared to meekly cop such sarcasm, and put downs from people who are not even willing to try some of the things suggested ?
Many of the measures suggested, are routinely done in the commercial modification of CD/DVD players and Media Servers, so why shouldn't PC audio also benefit from such measures ?
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jul 19, 2009 22:25:44 GMT
Quite a lot of people used to think the world was flat, it's now commonly accepted it's round and spins.
The medical profession thought Alexander Fleming was a lunatic when he was messing about with fungus.
Open your minds and, more importantly, let your ears be the judge.... don't discount "anything" as "anything" has an uncanny habit of creeping up behind you and proving you wrong....
Anything's possible in this world.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2009 6:02:30 GMT
From: multibit To: Alex Kethel Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 9:14 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Filemail.com - Confirmation of sent email BTW, you swine!!! The uploaded Rebecca Pigeon track from best Audiophile voices III album sounded better than the one I ripped onto the HD I'm now going to have to have a think what to do  Leo
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Post by FritzS on Oct 3, 2009 16:56:16 GMT
Hi, ripper's for Mac sbooth.org/Max/Max is an application for creating high-quality audio files in various formats, from compact discs or files. When extracting audio from compact discs, Max offers the maximum in flexibility to ensure the true sound of your CD is faithfully extracted. For pristine discs, Max offers a high-speed ripper with no error correction. For damaged discs, Max can either use its built-in comparison ripper (for drives that cache audio) or the error-correcting power of cdparanoia www.xiph.org/paranoia/sbooth.org/Tag/Tag is a metadata editor for FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, Monkey's Audio and WavPack files. Tag has an intuitive interface that simplifies common editing tasks while also allowing direct manipulation of tags. Tags can be dragged between files, or Tag can even add all the tags contained in one file to another in one fell swoop. Now - after some time of use - I put the first CD in my MacBookPro - and amazed as I see all tracks as .AIFF files in finder and drag and drop them in a local folder on the harddisk. Are here Mac users too? Are this files are ripped right? Next time I will install Max and ripp this file again and compare them. ..... here .... Ripped - Klezmatics, Brother Moses Smote The Water with drag and drop »4 Shnirele, Perele.aiff« 90,1 MB (90.055.728 Byte) with MAX (cdparanoia) »04 Shnirele, Perele.aiff« 90,1 MB (90.058.876 Byte) direct from CD Max say's 90.051.024 bytes / Finder say's 90.055.728 bytes |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2009 1:17:58 GMT
As I know very little on the virtues of one ripper against another I'm popping this one in (directed at those who are experienced in obtaining max. quality) as a 'waddya-fink' job. It has been recommended to me as an easy and high quality ripper... www.ripstation.com/rsmicrods.htmlThere is a pdf doc at the bottom of the page with their claims as to its performance against other rippers including EAC. Sooooo, waddya-fink? Chris |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2009 1:42:20 GMT
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JeffC and myself find that EAC sounds better than DBPoweramp, despite being slower, and having less features.
All the figures in the. pdf become meaningless, if it doesn't sound as good as EAC. I guess the only way to find out for myself is to try it ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2009 3:18:22 GMT
Ripstation Micro DS
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I downloaded and installed the program. It is preset for .flac output, so I changed it to .wav output. Other than the annoying habit of creating lots of folders within folders, it worked very quickly, and I mean quickly ! It also showed a box with the artwork of the CD that was being ripped.
These features alone would make it very appealing for someone with a shitload of CDs, who just wanted to rip them to the HDD as .flac etc., and would undoubtedly appeal to people who don't demand the absolute best quality from their music playback.
As far as ripping .wav files at highest quality, it was O.K. but quite a bit below the SQ of the same "California Project-Papa Doo Run Run" tracks that I ripped a few days ago using E.A.C.
It didn't have the "light and shade", or the dynamics of the EAC rip.
BUT, IT IS DAMN FAST !
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Perhaps there may be some settings somewhere to improve rips of .wav files, but TBH, I have no desire to look further.
I have saved the ripped files for comparison purposes with an EAC rip if requested, but the program itself is about to be uninstalled.
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Post by FritzS on Oct 5, 2009 5:31:54 GMT
Chris JeffC and myself find that EAC sounds better than DBPoweramp, despite being slower, and having less features. All the figures in the. pdf become meaningless, if it doesn't sound as good as EAC. I guess the only way to find out for myself is to try it ? Alex For me ... next time I want to compare Max »paranoia« ripped to wav and EAC ripped to wav Which CD drive you use? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2009 5:57:31 GMT
Chris JeffC and myself find that EAC sounds better than DBPoweramp, despite being slower, and having less features. All the figures in the. pdf become meaningless, if it doesn't sound as good as EAC. I guess the only way to find out for myself is to try it ? Alex For me ... next time I want to compare Max »paranoia« ripped to wav and EAC ripped to wav Which CD drive you use? Friedrich I normally use the LG BluRay writer, as the rips sound better than those from the other Pioneer DVD drive. DESPITE identical checksums ! (both calibrated by EAC server) I don't have a Mac, so I will leave the comparisons to you, or another member with better than average ancillary gear associated with his Mac. Alex |
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Post by leo on Oct 5, 2009 20:44:15 GMT
Having a taste of those rips Alex I'd carry on doing wahtever you've been doing, it does the trick |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2009 21:27:25 GMT
Alex,
Many thanks for going through all that bother. I suspected something had to give at the speed difference.
I think I'll try it against my WMP and Nero, if it fares well against them I could save a lot time.
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