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Post by merton on May 20, 2008 22:34:42 GMT
to go! just got my dt770's (pro 80ohm model). led zeplin sounds nice.... much more out of my head than the atrios. don't seem to be the bass monsters they're made out to be.
listening to cocain is like... eric's voice seems a bit recessed. bass seems to come through realisticly. it's like they sound natural but a bit incoherent.
they only have about 1 minute of burn in now so.... we'll see how they develop.
they block almost as much sound as the atrio and seem pretty comfortable so far
these do seem to have quite the soundstage and air about them. i con't recall any of my phones having this much of a sound stage.
i would be interested in what you think of these phones. they are high end (big time. they already sound twice as good as those old ultrasones i had... much better than grado.... the only BIG difference tween them and the atrios is the soundstage. these are halfway to the soundstage of a nice set of speakers. (as it around a grand methinks).
bass SEEMS a little boomy. not bloated though. not even overly loud. could just be the music i'm listening to. these are the only phones out there that have NO roll off in the bass region.
they sound really pristine in the highs. maybe a bit sparkly.
they were about $160 after tax at guitar center (the people there are really nice) after i showed them the sales on ebay ($12 was tax).
i'm hearing some bass that i've never noticed before whilst listening to some ambient type musics (amber and tiger's eye by esthero)
these ARE NOT bass monters. i'm listening to some of my deepest heaviest bass stuff and these things... they sound pretty proper to me.
you know how is some places (for live performance) you can hardly hear the bass and others you can hear it well... these cans are like listening to the music in a place where you can hear the bass. (i've also noticed that in places that you can't hear the bass you can't hear the singer or much of anything else but trumpets and an overly loud drum set.... bastards need to pay attention to their accoustics!)
actually, the bass sounds very controlled and refined... it's just that i'm hearing notes i wouldn't with other phones. it's like having a good sub added to a speaker system. i'm rather surprised by this i must say!
these do have the biggest sound stage i've ever heard.
EASY MOD! just pull the ear pads off the phones toward the rear near the back of the phones but leave the pads attached in other areas. this props up the rear of the phones a hair and relieves your ears from some pressure.
jeeze these make my old ultrasone sound like they have a small sound stage. it's gotta be at least 50% bigger than the ultrasone dj1.
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Post by merton on May 20, 2008 23:12:16 GMT
it's funny. these things pick apart recording mercilessly... but somehow they still sound good. they'll sound kinda tiny... but good. how is that? (listening to old rock now)
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Post by merton on May 20, 2008 23:16:37 GMT
made thunderstruck by acdc a bit lifeless sounding. rage against the machine seems to do well one these. kinda funny that they'd have some decent recording quality.
it's funny. these phones... they sound good... but man... i mean.... they rip music apart. it's in a bunch of pieces around me whenever i wish to pay attention.
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Post by merton on May 20, 2008 23:18:49 GMT
i'm hearing an echo in godzilla i've never heard before (by blue oyster cult). sounds good. you people gotta try these phones. i mean it. they're probably the only high end phones available that block a decent amount of sound. damn slick if you ask me.
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Post by merton on May 20, 2008 23:30:42 GMT
the highs on these thigs are what i'd call a tad bright, but they're not fatigueing.
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Post by merton on May 20, 2008 23:42:56 GMT
i'm really surprised. i didn't think these would sound anywhere near this good.
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Post by merton on May 20, 2008 23:54:21 GMT
i'm listening to the ultrasone cd. i don't know why, but this cd sounds much more refined on these phones than on the dj1. i don't know how else to discribe the sound. it's not in your face. it's like sitting back and dissecting something... or ordering others to do so. they're very refined sounding. that's what pops into my head when i hear them with this cd. that never happened with the dj1. i recall the dj1 being granier, having a smaller sound stage and the LOW bass of the organ is definately there with these. it was barely hearable with the ultrasones. it's not loud on these, it's just that you can hear that note. the only thing that seperate the soundstage of these from a live performance is just a smidgen of oddness. i don't know how else to describe it. they're enjoyable, non painful, pleasant sounding, even beautiful sounding phones. very relaxing. they pick up EVERY imperfection of a recording, but it's somehow not irritating. i don't know how else to describe it. i don't think i could want any more from a pair of phones after these have burned in. seriously. they're sound kinda boring, but beatiful. why don't more people have these things? the way people talk about them you'd think they were the bastard child of the high fi community. i'm surprised to say this but these are nice. they may not (or they very well may) have perfect tonal balance, but no sound system has this. these things just sound beautiful. the choir i'm listening to may have something to do with that. ;D i noitced some pops on that track 10. the fireworks sound damned real. if i wasn't wearing phones right now i'd think i were on something to be hearing this. damned amazing sound stage.
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Post by merton on May 20, 2008 23:56:58 GMT
Merton, glad you like them. But let them burn in for at least 100 hours, although I would think 200 is better. The bass will tighten and deepen, while the highs will mellow out some. Lastly the mids will come out and become more musical and detailed. Enjoy them! Beyer does make good stuff, I have a 2003 DT880 which IMO sounds superb, better than Senn HD580/600/650. shit! good! i'm a damned beyerhead now! i actually wasn't excited till i heard these. i thought they'd sound like shit and just bought them because they block those most noise of any audiophile type closed headphone (that means not including the ear muff converted to phones) and because i was tired of sticking doodads in my ear. i'm really surprised with these things. i'm hearing echoes and stuff i've never heard before. not with ety, not with ultrasone, not with the atrios... not with anything. they're unreal.
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Post by merton on May 20, 2008 23:59:40 GMT
they do have a little of that grado liquidity oddly enough. i remember that smoothness. this time it's not accompanied by a team of dentists drills and ice picks though.
bass no longer seems boomy.
bass is great now. very... detailed and notes very well seperated. full but not kludgy.
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Post by kurt6652 on May 21, 2008 4:56:26 GMT
I have the Dt770/80 also, they keep getting better sounding to me. I now have 300+ hours on mine, I burned mine in using them. I had Grado sr225 and they were too fatiguing or shrill for me to listen to for long times, the sound heart my ears. I tried the Beyers and right away I knew they were keepers for me. It's crazy how much negative stuff is written about their bass being overpowering, I don't agree, I think its just right. I found that the Beyers respond well to amping too, and they sound way better to me through my xcan vs. my portable Headphonia amp. I am glad you like yours so well ,we seem to agree.I think everyone else has lost their minds and we are reaping all the benefits of a low cost great sounding headphone.
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Post by merton on May 21, 2008 6:18:22 GMT
you know, i have to wonder about bass and how loud most people turn up their stuff. they must be turning it up REAL loud to get bass out of etymotic (except on select tracks). i'ts mind boggling. i have to wonder if the older model dt770s did have more bass. to me it seems that the ear pads could have A LOT to do with this. i've noticed that my pads have holes on the back sides of them. i wonder if the older models had this. now it seems like the bass has kinda dissapeared. i guess that happens during burn in sometimes as i've read of it before. hopefully i'll win that amp pink has up and get to hear these in their full glory. (running off a pa2v2 now). oh well, lower demand = lower price = good for those of us sane.
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Post by kurt6652 on May 21, 2008 15:24:31 GMT
Another thing I noticed is the Dt770 makes me feel like I am part of the audience. I think that this is because you can feel the music, the vibration and impact of bass on your skin, kind of like a home subwoofer adds the feeling of bass to speakers. I feel the Dt770 are great for watching movies because of this. The dt770 don't do everything perfect, but for me they are involving and I enjoy them. For the times where I want something different I have some Akg k701.
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Post by merton on May 21, 2008 16:37:55 GMT
i just noticed that some notes that were broken... clipped i guess you'd call it, have been smoothed out. i wonder if the crackling in noticed with the ultrasone cd will be gone now. (i bassed them over night) bass is just tight and punchy now. not loud but full and with some weight.
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Post by merton on May 21, 2008 17:02:20 GMT
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Post by merton on May 22, 2008 3:23:05 GMT
huh. that's bizarre. i wonder if it was the phones (for you) or something else changed.
i thought beyer said they did nothing to the new phones but change the looks.
they say these things (in the manual) have super light diaphrams, almost like electrostats. do they sound anything like electrostats at all? i have to say they do sound fast and tight. a little tinky with drums so far, but that could be the recordings.
i've been burning them in with "sonic elektronic" (from ocremix.org). the bass has come back.
i also have to wonder if i listen too low. it seems like that with ever pair of phones i've had (even the atrios) i've had to turn them up farther than i'd like to hear more than the highs.
the bass has come back a bit. i don't find it overwhelming. it seems tight and very controlled... almost analytical. it's bigger than you'd get with grado i think... but it's been 5 years since i had the ms2's.
the bass is hard to describe... it's there but not there as it should be with trance... of course most stuff like that is played with sloppy sounding equipment.
a good way to describe the sound is like etymotics with bass and highs a hair more tame. very very analytical sounding. it's strange. the bass is great in a way. it's there for trance and stuff (but not BOOM BOOM my bumper dun'd fell'd off Cleetis)... but it's out of the way when i'm listening to classical. they're very clear sounding and not muddy at all.
the highs are the only thing that concern me now. i hope they calm down a bit. they're tolerable but more piercing than i'd like.
maybe some of the sound quality i'm gettin has something to do with me buying the pro version?
and the mids seem to be there too now.
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Post by merton on May 23, 2008 4:25:21 GMT
been burning in for 48 hours now i think.
they sound much more coherent and the bass is much more prominent on bass heavy stuff. funny thing is that same stuff isn't there when i listen to some other music like le zepplin. black dog is metallic and harsh (which it should be), and trance is warm and... crystal-y.
while these phones to have a lot a bass when needed they don't really put their own sound signature onto the music... not that they're neutral or anything.
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Post by merton on May 23, 2008 4:43:20 GMT
the only thing that bothers me about these phones is the clamping force. i've been stretching them out on my pc case for the past couple of days, but it doesn't seem to have done much if anything for the clamping force.
any suggestions?
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Post by toad on May 23, 2008 14:25:12 GMT
Deflate your head slightly? Glad you've found some nice cans though Merton
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Post by merton on May 24, 2008 4:00:42 GMT
man... when i turn these up a little (probably not to damaging levels) it sounds like stevie ray vaughn and co are right in the room with me. unf**king believable.
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Post by allenf on May 24, 2008 9:36:37 GMT
the only thing that bothers me about these phones is the clamping force. i've been stretching them out on my pc case for the past couple of days, but it doesn't seem to have done much if anything for the clamping force. any suggestions? Gently bend the (steel) headband out a touch in the middle. They are nice cans, I have owned the old-style DT770/80 Pro and still own old-style DT990/250. I sold the 770s to make way for the Equation Audio RP21 - I wish I hadn't as: a) The RP21s are really not very good and sound cheap with a very dry top end and an echoey quality basically; the old style 770s have recessed mids but sound pretty good otherwise. b) I sold them before I got my V2 so they only got a chance with portable amps. [ edit - or less than great desktop amps...] c) The 770s have quite good isolation, and are light and extremely comfortable once you've got the headband sorted out, wish I'd had a pair when I was doing the "4 hours a day" commute, bah.
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Post by allenf on May 24, 2008 14:22:13 GMT
Quite right Miguel, everybody has different ears! I did try the "one cotton pad" mod with the RP21 and found that it removed too much bass and left the echoey colouration. I also tried the pleather Beyer pad mod with interesting results. To my ears this mod has the same effect on the RP21 that the Dark Audio Grado Liberators have with my Alessandro MS2i, a widening of the headstage that is initially very pleasing but after a while makes my head spin like in my good old smoking days when I'd chain-smoked one too many cigarettes and was od'ing on nicotine - like "rip these phones off my head now!!" ;D The physical separation of the transducers means that no physical L-R phase cancellation effects are occurring, but my mind is having to work too hard to assemble a "realistic" image I guess. I have only ever experienced this with the two modded phones above. As a general observation my very first gut reaction on hearing my modded V2 (with Beyer DT990s) for the first time was how good the headstage was and how non-fatiguing the combo was to listen to - I suppose I have a thing about headstage
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Post by merton on May 25, 2008 0:01:44 GMT
you know, while the mids can sound a little recessed (i'm not sure they are... it just seems that smoother sounds are recessed. womens voices (even ones of lower pitch than ole ledz screaming black dog) seem to come through fine. it seems like smooth sounds (hendrix, clapton, clarinets) come through a little recessed, but that's not a huge fault. i mean, room dynamics can create this much of an effect.) and while the cymbals and stuff can sound a hair splashy, overall these things are just great. they have THE BEST dynamics i've ever heard. i mean the plucks and hammers of things are natural IMO. i love the bass. it doesn't seem bloated at all to me. i do notice that i'm actually hearing notes i haven't heard before with headphone. the high seem non fatiguing but brightish.
i think i'm satisfied with this phone. i think the only thing i would change with my system is the amp and source if i could. never heard akg701 or anything like that, but that's fine with me. with those i probably wouldn't be getting some of the bass notes i'm getting.
any amps out there with a mids hump?
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Post by merton on May 25, 2008 0:13:41 GMT
these may be too detailed. i'm hearing some annoying crap in cheap sunglasses
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Post by allenf on May 25, 2008 7:27:55 GMT
I'm tempted to buy another pair now
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Post by merton on May 25, 2008 20:59:42 GMT
i have to say that my atrio's sound more smooth. these... they're gritty. not sure that's a bad thing though.
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