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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2008 15:03:09 GMT
Hi,
Anyone tried the AD1000's? In UK - Audio technica seem to limit what we can get out grubby little hands on and we can only go as far as the AD700.
I have a pair of ad 700's and quite like their spacious, airy and open sound. I have found (I think) a UK supplier of the AD1000. (2000's look like they're off the menu for us UK ers) Good price too if it's actually in stock.
Does anyone know how the 1000's compare to the 700's? Similar sound sig? Worth the extra dosh?
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Post by PinkFloyd on Mar 15, 2008 19:57:12 GMT
Never heard them Ian but you can get the 2000 from pricejapan.com a lot cheaper than you can get the 1000 from ripoffbritain.com
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Post by leo on Mar 15, 2008 20:24:33 GMT
I've compared the A700 against the A900 and preferred A900's, in comparison I found the A700's to sound a little flatter/2D than the A900's, mids was also a bit thinner. Both are good cans though
Not tried the 1000's yet
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Post by leo on Mar 15, 2008 20:30:41 GMT
Sorry, noticed you asked about the open backed AT's, I've not heard any of those yet
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2008 20:53:09 GMT
Never heard them Ian but you can get the 2000 from pricejapan.com a lot cheaper than you can get the 1000 from ripoffbritain.com Thanks Pinky. I'll have a look. It's VAT and all that on top that Pisses me off!! (Although it's still a good price). Presumeably, it's a secure route? AD1000 £182 AD2000 £315 That's the cost delivered from Japan. I can get 1000 in UK for £230 which amounts to just a bit more than VAT on Jap price. (or import tax?) I notice that there are a few on another site that reckon the 1000 is crap but no-one seems to have tried it except some little kid who had it for 10 minutes before making his decision. Loads of other sheep seem to have followed and there is a real lack of info on them. No-one seems to know anything about them. The 700's have a nice open feel to them which is great for acoustic stuff and there is a huge soundstage with them. Even listening to beloved Yello type stuff is nice on them. The bass is there; just not fat and bloated, which I quite like. Similar feel to the Senn 250 Linears. (I like them too) Made me curious about going a bit further up the ladder but for some reason, Audio technica don't like us Brits. Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Mar 15, 2008 23:26:27 GMT
Never heard them Ian but you can get the 2000 from pricejapan.com a lot cheaper than you can get the 1000 from ripoffbritain.com I got my W-1000 from priceJapan and the transaction was nothing short of SUPERB. They declare their "fee" on the customs slip, not the price of the 'phones Even if you were to be hit with duty all you do is send and empty envelope back to pricejapan and get a certificate of posting from the post office. Phone the customs and tell them the item has been returned to Japan..... they will refund the charge Different if you choose EMS for shipping (I did) these guys usually deliver first and ask for the duty a couple of weeks later..... you just tell them over the phone the 'phones have been sent back to Japan, they won't ask for evidence but in case they do the empty envelope and proof of posting certificate trick is worth having up your sleeve I'm not advocating defrauding the customs BTW. £283 with EMS £53 more for the AD2000 - I would DEFINITELY pay that £53 extra to A: have a (so they say) better headphone B: Own something you're not supposed to own in the UK according to the fat bastard double chinned money grabbing distributors C: You'll be the first I know of in the UK to own a pair so a bit of a pioneer I will deffo be buying a pair for myself next month (from PirceJapan) just letting things stabilize a bit after the electric bike, K-701, numerous amps blah blah blah purchases this month... Have had my eye on AD2000 for quite some time and if the closed backed W-1000 can sound SO open I expect great things from the AD2000! A definite lack of owner input re: the AD1000 over at Goat-Fi and maybe they are worth a punt Ian.... I don't think AT make such a thing as a BAD headphone.... I'd be inclined to go for the AD2000 myself for £53 more. They soon will do if you decide to go AD-1000 £162 from PriceJapan..... a lot better than £269 from HiFiBitz, even WITH import duty! Haven't heard the 700's only the W-100 and W-1000 and I LOVE both of them, for closed cans they are incredibly spacious, the W-1000 and AKG K-701 are my two favourite 'phones of all time, the AD-2000 are next on the shopping list. It's not AT, it's the greedy buggers who distribute AT 'phones in the UK.... it's all about margins, if they're not going to make a wad or the wad they would like makes the 'phones out of reach to your everyday punter they won't import them. The greedy bastard box shifters don't give a damn about you.... all they want is your money.... I HATE them, a bunch of double chinned conmen IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2008 12:23:50 GMT
Thanks Pinky. Your posts are so funny, I'm scared to reply!!! Great info. Many thanks for that. I've got to admit a great deal of shed fi gets up my nose and many seem to be I'll give it a go. However, I got the AD700 for nothing from this guy and I noticed that he advertises the Ad1000 so I may be able to do it again. If not, I may be able to get him to import it for me via his business at cost. I really do like the sound of the 700 except that it's prone to sibilance. (May get burned out in the long run) Listening currently to Belshazzer's Feast, I can easily pick off individuals in the choir and the band via the 700's. I'm wondering whether the 1000 keeps the same house sound with (maybe) the sibilance tamed a little. That would be just right for my ears which have probably suffered over the years through playing loud music. All to do with my job and scratching backs....... ;D Ian
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Post by FauDrei on Mar 16, 2008 14:55:45 GMT
the W-1000 and AKG K-701 are my two favourite 'phones of all time, the AD-2000 are next on the shopping list. WOW Mike! This was like reading my own thoughts/intentions! If those W1000 sound so spectacular while being closed what can an open AT flagship bring to the table? ...but, now that you mentioned that you are going after them, I reckon to wait for your review (and your wallet be burned first )... even though I already know the outcome... In fact, the only thing that could stop me from getting those AD2000 in next couple of months would be AT announcing AD3000
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Post by robert on Mar 16, 2008 22:47:22 GMT
That unfortunately was not the case when I bought my headphones from them. They declared the whole amount and the customs billed me! Still, it was a lot cheaper than I thought but do not be fooled into thinking you will get away without paying the VAT. It looks like Mike was lucky.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2008 17:24:40 GMT
I have a pair of AD1000 ..........
Given to me by my mate!!! That's even luckier. I asked him whether he could get a 2000 but he said that it would be difficult. I'll let these things play in a draw for a week. A sneek preview revealed 'the TOP end' ....... They sound like a double door has been opened.
If I get drawn by the 1000 I'll give Japan.com a try and go the whole hog and get a 2000 since I feel more drawn to the Audio Technica cleanness than any other can I have tried. (Maybe I have Japanese ears)
I know that the import tax business can be a bit tricky. Got nobbled before on it and wasn't happy.
Actually, I may be visiting Japan within the next six months so I'll wear the 2000's home.
An Audio Tech guy emailed me concerning the 1000 and 2000:-
'Hi Ian
The AD1000 are very similar headphones to the AD2000, they have a similar driver with a very natural full sound and are extremely comfortable to have on for extended periods of time, please see below for the specifications to see how similar they are. Therefore the ATH-AD2000 are not being distributed in Europe for the time being.
The ATH-AD1000 can be ordered through our dedicated website or with any Audio-Technica dealer in your area, if you require a location please provide your postcode or area and I can match that to a dealer close by'
So according to themselves - there isn't supposed to be a huge difference between the 1000 and 2000.
Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Mar 17, 2008 22:55:16 GMT
the W-1000 and AKG K-701 are my two favourite 'phones of all time, the AD-2000 are next on the shopping list. WOW Mike! This was like reading my own thoughts/intentions! If those W1000 sound so spectacular while being closed what can an open AT flagship bring to the table? EXACTLY! The W-1000 is a sonic wizard (IMO) and defies the regulation / same old boundaries when it comes to "closed cans" They're absolutely magical and positively "Tardis" like in their ability to deceive you into thinking you're listening to a pair of head speakers and not a pair of closed 'phones. When they eventually find that sweet spot on your head they are stuck on like comfortably numb, sweet as honey plasma..... oh so gorgeous and organically enriched with cherry wood and liquid momentum from the tree of life sap.... these are ear candy of the finest quality... TOTALLY addictive! You'd pay a premium for a "hand beaten with a dead pheasant, fully bedded in for 750 hours" pair but if you can DIY the bed in yourself then....... man, the wait is well worth it! They really "ARE" wonderful, aren't they? I am looking forward to the AD2000 but will not be commenting on them until they have been afforded the same degree of bed in the W-1000 have...... these guys that buy a pair of 'phones one day and sell next week claiming "not my cup of tea" are the guys to buy from..... they obviously haven't a clue about bed in and you can pick up a pair of partially bedded in headphones from them quite cheaply Those of us more seasoned can users realise a "year" is not a long period when it comes to bed in and two years can be a more typical period before your 'phones really start to feel like an old glove and perform real sonic magic You'll be waiting a good two years for my final review then (seriously) some call me "slow", I'd rather think of myself as "thorough" and always factor in bed in when it comes down to serious 'phones.... these "I had them on my head for 30 seconds and screamed in agony they were so shrill, actually I jumped out the window, I much preferred my tried and tested XYZ" type reviewers are to be avoided.... they always refer to their "reference" 'phones (which they've had for 75 years) but fail to realise the 'phones they are comparing ALSO require the same degree of BED in. Anyways ;D
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Post by scapa on Mar 18, 2008 0:53:27 GMT
Hi,
I picked up the AD2000s a while back and they are seriously good -- VERY fast and clean with terrific bass definition. They're easy to drive but respond well to better upstream kit. I haven't heard the AT woodies but I'd say the 2000s compete favourably with the best (open) dynamics I've heard (HD-650, DT-880 600, etc).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2008 17:40:00 GMT
Hi, I picked up the AD2000s a while back and they are seriously good -- VERY fast and clean with terrific bass definition. They're easy to drive but respond well to better upstream kit. I haven't heard the AT woodies but I'd say the 2000s compete favourably with the best dynamics I've heard (HD-650, DT-880 600, etc). s One major difference between the ad700 and the ad1000 is the quality of the top end. (At the moment) They are both new but there is definately more info coming from the ad1000 even with just 24 hours continuous running. Both are very spacious sounding though. Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Mar 18, 2008 22:35:50 GMT
Just reading the latest "Hi-Fi news" review on the Grado GS-1000 and the reviewer is basically saying the ATH-AD700's shit all over the <cough> "£1,000" Grado GS1000........ I wish these so called (UK based) "reviewers" would get a net connection and realise the fckin' ATH-AD700 is pretty low level in the ATH line up.... there's one mag that still uses the Grado SR-80 as their reference phone.... pathetic!
IMO "anything" with a voice coil is better than a grato (sorry "Grado") and, yes, the ATH-AD700 probably does shit all over the Grado range but these mags are £4 a pop..... you'd like to think the editor had a good arrangement with pricejapan.com and his reviewers had a good chance of sampling the best.... jesus christ ATH-AD700 v GS-1000 is sooo lame...... ATH- AD2000 V GS-1000 is worth £4.00 but ATH-AD700 v GS-1000 more like 40 pence.... are these guys connected? I'm beginning to wonder.
I remember when "what Hi-Fi's" reference 'phones were the Grado SR-60...... eh??? They would briefly compare every other headphone they managed to get onto their heads to the defacto, numero uno "SR-60"......... SHITE! Absolute spotty assholes who are out to do nothing more than sell a magazine and get enough money for their latest "beer budget" buy.
I just cannot take any of these mags seriously....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2008 21:43:04 GMT
Your average Brit thinks £50 is too much to spend on a headphone so they're catering for an audience who think that the top end of AT is the AD700 .
If it takes a bit of effort to get something better, most of the readers can't be bothered cos it costs too much.
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Post by bozzy on Mar 21, 2008 16:18:40 GMT
Since they came back from Grado, I listen to my GS1000's plenty - (no longer selling them), and service from Grado was homespun, personal and extremely good.
The ear cups are different - I think they position the earpieces differently than before. Anyway, they are right up there with the W1000's, which frankly I mostly prefer except on some material - particularly classical, but the preference is not "night and day" as it was before they went back to the factory.
BTW the company which distributes Grado in the UK are very hostile and took 2 months to decide they would not help with the repair (one earpiece came free from the metal stalk it sits on) during which time of course they kept the cans "awaiting a decision".
Just my 5 bob's worth
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2008 10:24:25 GMT
I know that the comparison isn't completely fair but I have used all the Grados up to the 325i and the sound sig remains pretty constant up to that point imo.
However, the AT range retain the top end clarity without being quite as edgy as a Grado. There is also a very quick attack on bass notes with the AT's.
My preference is definately for AT's - even the AD700. I am mostly using the AD1000 now since I think it is a rather good headphone, much aligned by internet folk. However, I may dive into the 2000 now I have had a taste since it is a very attractive and open sound.
I just wish I could get a year's worth of use onto the 1000 now so that I could hear what changes over a period of time. A touch more mellowness wouldn't hurt and that may happen with time.
I would love to hear the GS1000 though.
btw Bozzy - I hope you didn't buy the GS1000 from Sevenoaks in Norwich!!!! I know them well - expensive and unwilling to yield on price. Friendly folk though. I do like Norwich. Often walk ariund the market and surrounding shops just for a day out. Ian
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