pot calling the kettle black
Sept 1, 2006 16:22:38 GMT
Post by rickcr42 on Sept 1, 2006 16:22:38 GMT
Is it just me or has the internet created a whole class of crooks and not just crooks but crooks with an ego ?
Over and over I see "new designs" that are a direct 1:1 rip off of another persons work offered for sale.To make matters worse these same knucklheads go to great lengths to make it known that they in fact created the design,have "named" the design thus obviously theirs to any casual viewer who knows little about either circuitry or what has gone before and more often than not will TELL YOU if you ask "how come it looks just like project XXXX ?" that what you refer to is NOT the same circuit,that the other is not only a "dated" design but has serious flaws and theirs is THE way to go if you want satisfactory results.If you are dumb enough to persue the topic you will be mercislessly attacked as being mean spirited for pointing out the obvious and spoiling all the fun ;D
So I'm looking for ideas on upgrading my Dyna PAS just for chuckles and giggles even though I am mostly happy with it in my "System ll" setup,a setup that tends to the vintage lush/romantic sound (perfect for CD or "Computer as source" mini-system ) but just maybe due for an update beyond my cap/resistor/heater supply mod so looking to see what is out there do a "google" on the PAS-2 and come across this page :
www.triageaudio.com/
what stands out for me in particular is this statement at the very beginning :
"I added these 6 pictures to help those of you who buy or have bought the quad / heater board upgrade. I have updated the instructions to show more detail. I do not want to post the instructions for fear of others stealing them and selling. I will support my customers via email or telephone. "
Cool.I can totally understand that things being what they are in a time when if someone can read it or download it they think they have full rights to it and can in fact make loot of another persons work.all good right ?
WRONG !
Now I do not know the person,if this person is or is not honorable or if it is coincidence but as soon as I seen the boards I ran to my own PAS,opened the lid and did a comparison.Almost identical if not identical.
WTF ?
I did not buy my boards from this guy yet here is the same board as far as I can tell and HE is claiming not only an original design but is in fact afraid of being ripped off so will not post circuit details.Kinda makes nailing down who is what a bit rough but Sherlock Rick is on the case and on point !
Case for the prosecution :
The boards I made were from this file
www.quadesl.com/pdf/pas_capboard.pdf#search=%22dynaco%20pas%202%22
this is the picture from sheldon's web page :
the Triage Audio web page
Yes,I was born at night but not last night so don't piss on my leg and tell me it is raining !
And if we accept that the two are identical then just who is ripping of who ?
Sheldon works for NASA last I knew,has had this "free for the taking" file on his site for many years,is the very first to my knowledge to suggest using a passive resistor the current output of a DAC to a voltage (the IV stage) instead of using an active device
www.quadesl.com/pdf/tube_dac.pdf
is known world wide for his Quad ESL refurbs/update work
www.quadesl.com/quad_main.html
is the designer of a very well regarded (at least by me ),often copied and again called "a new design" headphone amp,The SDS Labs Headphone Amp
www.quadesl.com/pdf/hpart.pdf
headwize.com/projects/showfile.php?file=stokes_prj.htm
and his designs are actually sold by a KNOWN parts dealer even though he freely offers ALL files and ALL instructions to anyone wanting to do their own pcb/circuit
www.triodeelectronics.com/sdslabcapboa.html
yet the other guy is afraid of getting ripped off ?
PK Could be 100% on the level and maybe in a dream it came to him and it is just coincidence that the two circuits and the two boards are identical right down to the parts selection (same caps etc.) but only if you suspend all rational thought then go on a flying pig shoot
I put this right up there with those guys who download the Dynaco manuals that are free for the download all over the the internet then selling the copies on ebay to the innocent lambs who do not realise they could just as easily download and print out a copy for free or the ebay headphone amps that are 1:1 direct rip off copies of the work of others without at LEAST metioning the source of the design.I think that at least would be the fair and honorable thing.
Copying the work of others is not wrong for personal use and why the authors freely distribute the plans,pcb layouts and schematics.
Copying then selling for a profit while calling it your own IS and especially so when the person plays games like "I don't want to be ripped off so will not provide details" which is usually a code for "I stole this myself but don't need the competition so fk you !"
rant over,for now.............................
Over and over I see "new designs" that are a direct 1:1 rip off of another persons work offered for sale.To make matters worse these same knucklheads go to great lengths to make it known that they in fact created the design,have "named" the design thus obviously theirs to any casual viewer who knows little about either circuitry or what has gone before and more often than not will TELL YOU if you ask "how come it looks just like project XXXX ?" that what you refer to is NOT the same circuit,that the other is not only a "dated" design but has serious flaws and theirs is THE way to go if you want satisfactory results.If you are dumb enough to persue the topic you will be mercislessly attacked as being mean spirited for pointing out the obvious and spoiling all the fun ;D
So I'm looking for ideas on upgrading my Dyna PAS just for chuckles and giggles even though I am mostly happy with it in my "System ll" setup,a setup that tends to the vintage lush/romantic sound (perfect for CD or "Computer as source" mini-system ) but just maybe due for an update beyond my cap/resistor/heater supply mod so looking to see what is out there do a "google" on the PAS-2 and come across this page :
www.triageaudio.com/
what stands out for me in particular is this statement at the very beginning :
"I added these 6 pictures to help those of you who buy or have bought the quad / heater board upgrade. I have updated the instructions to show more detail. I do not want to post the instructions for fear of others stealing them and selling. I will support my customers via email or telephone. "
Cool.I can totally understand that things being what they are in a time when if someone can read it or download it they think they have full rights to it and can in fact make loot of another persons work.all good right ?
WRONG !
Now I do not know the person,if this person is or is not honorable or if it is coincidence but as soon as I seen the boards I ran to my own PAS,opened the lid and did a comparison.Almost identical if not identical.
WTF ?
I did not buy my boards from this guy yet here is the same board as far as I can tell and HE is claiming not only an original design but is in fact afraid of being ripped off so will not post circuit details.Kinda makes nailing down who is what a bit rough but Sherlock Rick is on the case and on point !
Case for the prosecution :
The boards I made were from this file
www.quadesl.com/pdf/pas_capboard.pdf#search=%22dynaco%20pas%202%22
this is the picture from sheldon's web page :
the Triage Audio web page
Yes,I was born at night but not last night so don't piss on my leg and tell me it is raining !
And if we accept that the two are identical then just who is ripping of who ?
Sheldon works for NASA last I knew,has had this "free for the taking" file on his site for many years,is the very first to my knowledge to suggest using a passive resistor the current output of a DAC to a voltage (the IV stage) instead of using an active device
www.quadesl.com/pdf/tube_dac.pdf
is known world wide for his Quad ESL refurbs/update work
www.quadesl.com/quad_main.html
is the designer of a very well regarded (at least by me ),often copied and again called "a new design" headphone amp,The SDS Labs Headphone Amp
www.quadesl.com/pdf/hpart.pdf
headwize.com/projects/showfile.php?file=stokes_prj.htm
and his designs are actually sold by a KNOWN parts dealer even though he freely offers ALL files and ALL instructions to anyone wanting to do their own pcb/circuit
www.triodeelectronics.com/sdslabcapboa.html
yet the other guy is afraid of getting ripped off ?
PK Could be 100% on the level and maybe in a dream it came to him and it is just coincidence that the two circuits and the two boards are identical right down to the parts selection (same caps etc.) but only if you suspend all rational thought then go on a flying pig shoot
I put this right up there with those guys who download the Dynaco manuals that are free for the download all over the the internet then selling the copies on ebay to the innocent lambs who do not realise they could just as easily download and print out a copy for free or the ebay headphone amps that are 1:1 direct rip off copies of the work of others without at LEAST metioning the source of the design.I think that at least would be the fair and honorable thing.
Copying the work of others is not wrong for personal use and why the authors freely distribute the plans,pcb layouts and schematics.
Copying then selling for a profit while calling it your own IS and especially so when the person plays games like "I don't want to be ripped off so will not provide details" which is usually a code for "I stole this myself but don't need the competition so fk you !"
rant over,for now.............................