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Post by Sol on Feb 7, 2007 11:33:15 GMT
Seen here is the Voyd turntable made in the UK. Maybe i should say was the Voyd, now Audio Note turntable. The folks at Audio Note now make this great three motor, spring suspension, precision cut acrylic platter turntable. By using three motors, the effective mass of the acrylic platter is in excess of 75kg! The bearing is an ultra-high precision unit consisting of a CNC machined brass housing with two phosphor bronze inserts to provide the optimum impedance to energy paths. My ears tell me this table has the boogie factor of the Linn LP12 with the precision of the Goldmund Reference turntable. My vote for one of the world's best tables available today. A friend has one that never gets used ... it does look rather nice, and I'm sure I could get it on loan for the time being with a view to buying. So what am I getting myself into? Cost of these on the secondhand market .. tehre's one bidding on ebay right now at 400+ quid with 4 days to go!! Anyone with experience of Voyd?
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Post by xerxes on Feb 7, 2007 13:07:28 GMT
I had a Voyd for several years, I sold it a year or two ago for £750.00 I think it was. It's a great deck, pretty easy to set up and once set up, doesn't need messing about with. I only had a Rega RB250 arm and a fairly low end cartridge with it and it was always my intention to upgrade them to something more fitting, perhaps a Helios Cyalene and a Koetsu, which were said to be great, but very expensive partners. Of course a better arm and cartridge would warrent a better amp and speakers as well. However, circumstances changed, I went back to full time education, and expensive hi-fi had to go on hold. Given the fairly ordinary arm, cartridge, amp and speakers I had at the time I don't suppose I ever heard the Voyd at its full potential, certainly my current system blows my old Voyd based one away, but it was a very highly regarded deck at the time I bought it.
I would have kept it, but while moving about, going to college, changing jobs etc. I left the deck, and a whole bunch of other stuff, in storage at my parents house and bought a lot of CDs for use in a mini system. When I finally stopped moving all over the place I had far more CDs than LPs and many copies of albums in both formats, so I decided to sell all my LPs and the Voyd.
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Post by Sol on Feb 7, 2007 13:31:17 GMT
So the answe rreally is tha tthe main deck is good, and it's ultimate performance would depend on the phono amp, cartridge, arm ... in that order (not withstanding my vinyl quality)
I'm bi-amped with Roksan M-Series 1 amps, and have Proac Response 2.5 speakers ... any recommendations for a phono amp that would work well with those? The Graham Slee ones look very good value ... there's the MF X-LPS V3 of course, and I'm sure Roksan would have an offering.
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Post by xerxes on Feb 7, 2007 15:13:39 GMT
I took a look on Ebay, the RB300 arm is considered a bit of a giant killer, as is the RB250 and I recall that when I bought the Voyd the sales guy reckoned that the Rega arms were a better match for the deck than the SME arms for example. However, the ultimate match was the pricey Helius. Helius arms will be difficult to get hold of, I believe they've gone out of business, although I might be wrong: www.ear-usa.com/helius.htmHere's a Cyalene that looks to be mounted on a Voyd: www.vinylengine.com/phpBB2/album_page.php?pic_id=523, the Orion is a replacement for the Cyalene. Some of the higher end Rega arms now available may also be worth a look: www.rega.co.uk/html/tonearm.htm. Rega only made the 250 and 300 models until a few years ago. Also, make sure you know which version of the Voyd you are getting, there were several versions that all looked very similar and several different power supplies as well. I believe the Valdi listed on Ebay is the baby, with only two motors rather than the three of the Voyd and Voyd Reference. When you bought a Voyd you could also specify individual bits, such as a Voyd with a Reference platter and bearing and a standard, split phase or reference power supply, so you might come accross some odd combinations. The Voyd Reference at around £5,000.00 back in the late eighties was 5 x the price of the standard Voyd and was considered to be up there with the best turntables in the world at the time, but the standard Voyd was no slouch either, so improvements down the line would probably not be wasted.
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Post by rickcr42 on Feb 7, 2007 23:13:59 GMT
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT ! Wrong answer,try again Turntable/arm matching then arm/cartridge matching (mass etc) then phono stage. Fail to get the inforamtion off the disc and no amount of loot spent on the phono stage can salvage it so better an average phono eq section and a great front end than to have a mediocre front end and a GREAT phono stage
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Post by Sol on Feb 8, 2007 13:09:11 GMT
Of course .. thanks Rick ... cartridge and arm!
So ... [opens potential can o'worms] what difference could an arm make? Guess thinking about the limiting case (no arm) then the arm should be invisivble to the colection of the analogue data, and should not impact - so bearings, balance? So how would a good arm be determined over a very good arm?
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Post by xerxes on Feb 8, 2007 14:12:26 GMT
I think with turntables, arms and cartridges it's more to do with synergy between the three than the ultimate technical merits of each individual component. I mentioned that the Voyd - Helius was said to be a good match, Voyd - Rega was also said to be good and better than Voyd - SME, despite SME arms being far more expensive and probably better in their own right than the Rega arms.
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Post by alan on Feb 8, 2007 19:00:43 GMT
As various people have said, the Voyd was/is an excellent turntable. They made four models - The Valdi - which had two motors and was about the same size as most other decks
The Voyd which was physically bigger, had three motors and a fairly small external power supply
The 0.5 Reference which had a Lexan platter and a much biggerr power supply and
The Reference which had a better finish, some upgraded parts and (most importantly) three very big and powerful Papst motors.
Audio Note bought the designs for the turntable from the original designer and carried on manufacture of the higher end versions. They can still service and repair them - I should know I have one of the very first ones. They are just launching a brand new turtable - see www.audionote.co.uk/products/analogue/tt-3_01.shtml - but this will be mega expensive. Audio Note currently recommend their own arms, or the Rega ones. The lower end Audio Note arms are, in fact, Rega ones with upgraded wiring. Helius arms were widely fitted originally, but they went out of business some time ago so I don't know whether they are repairable. They still change hands for very good money. Hope this helps Alan
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Post by rickcr42 on Feb 8, 2007 23:31:33 GMT
lot of different schools of thought there which leads to many designs having little in common yet all claiming the very same improved levels of performance. Myself I have a med-high mass tonearm so it mates well with high mass/low compliance cartirdges.Low mass and ultra high compliance cartidges mate well with ultra-lightweight arms. you also need to get the manual for your table so you KNOW what the range of tonearm weights you can mount is so you can better choose your cartridge to get the most information out of the groove without either beating up the disc or hopping out of the groove on highly dynamic recordings.Really is a science mixed with art to get the matchups just right. Manuals and info in general from the best source i know www.vinylengine.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=34
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Post by rickcr42 on Feb 9, 2007 0:20:02 GMT
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Post by xerxes on Feb 9, 2007 13:02:47 GMT
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