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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2012 11:52:12 GMT
Hi Guys, Being retired and married to a lady addicted to TV , these wet miserable winter days I'm being force fed with a lot of daytime TV. It has struck me that there is an awful lot of 'Estuary English' being spoken on TV these days that I think probably originates in Essex. I hate to hear it so frequently, IMHO they are torturing English pronunciation way beyond the point at which it becmes unbearable. I'm aware that these Essex residents most likely think the same about my Yorkshire accent but my point is that they are not currently being force fed it 24/7. I also suspect it is probably a 'fashion thing' and will (hopefully) die a natural death in the course of time, sooner rather than later maybe I like and enjoy the regional differences in dialects, no problem, it's just the current quantity of this one example that I object too. And yes, I do have an 'off' button I can use. Does anone support my view that the main TV channels should be obliged to have a period of 'Essex cleansing' in the near future? I'm being slightly provocative here to try and seek other opinions and start a light hearted discussion, not to widen the north/south divide . Dave.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2012 13:15:00 GMT
Problem is Dave that you Northern Monkeys just don`t understand us Southern Wimps init!! . Basically i agree with your comments, as i had more than my share of "accent divide" in the forces. But hey!! your right, there is a channel changing button, or an off button to choose from. Must have too much time on my hands today !! Mick.
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Post by Z on Jan 20, 2012 17:36:54 GMT
Hi Guys, Being retired and married to a lady addicted to TV , these wet miserable winter days I'm being force fed with a lot of daytime TV. It has struck me that there is an awful lot of 'Estuary English' being spoken on TV these days that I think probably originates in Essex. I hate to hear it so frequently, IMHO they are torturing English pronunciation way beyond the point at which it becmes unbearable. I'm aware that these Essex residents most likely think the same about my Yorkshire accent but my point is that they are not currently being force fed it 24/7. I also suspect it is probably a 'fashion thing' and will (hopefully) die a natural death in the course of time, sooner rather than later maybe I like and enjoy the regional differences in dialects, no problem, it's just the current quantity of this one example that I object too. And yes, I do have an 'off' button I can use. Does anone support my view that the main TV channels should be obliged to have a period of 'Essex cleansing' in the near future? I'm being slightly provocative here to try and seek other opinions and start a light hearted discussion, not to widen the north/south divide . Dave. The best way to deal with this is to chuck the tv into the trash.
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Post by rowuk on Jan 20, 2012 17:51:07 GMT
The best way to deal with this is to take up trumpet! Don't get mad, get even!
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Post by pjc68 on Jan 20, 2012 22:40:40 GMT
The only way is essex and desperate scousewives is the epitome of dumbed down shite that would only appeal to someone with the IQ of a fencepost same as big brother and the likes paddy
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jan 20, 2012 23:04:04 GMT
I don't watch TV anymore... it's all a load of PC BOLLOCKS... bloody Welsh people reading the news, illiterate Geordies hosting "reality" shows, woofters presenting chat shows, loud mouthed, clueless teenage "assholes" spouting their opinions.... gays, token ethnics, weirdos..... you name it.... whatever happened to proper "ENGLISH"? I'd much rather watch ONE "decent" programme narrated by a "class" act than be subjected to hundreds of shite productions with a bloody clueless plank hosting it..... Michael Palin, David Attenborough etc. are "interesting" and have a "voice" that is globally decipherable... the likes of this asshole is not my idea of "quality" entertainment:
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2012 2:32:31 GMT
I don't watch TV anymore... it's all a load of PC BOLLOCKS... bloody Welsh people reading the news, illiterate Geordies hosting "reality" shows, woofters presenting chat shows, loud mouthed, clueless teenage "assholes" spouting their opinions.... gays, token ethnics, weirdos..... you name it.... whatever happened to proper "ENGLISH"? I'd much rather watch ONE "decent" programme narrated by a "class" act than be subjected to hundreds of shite productions with a bloody clueless plank hosting it..... Michael Palin, David Attenborough etc. are "interesting" and have a "voice" that is globally decipherable... x2!
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Post by XTRProf on Jan 25, 2012 1:19:50 GMT
Aw, you sound so tyrant there. What's wrong with having "dialects"? I enjoy diversity very much as they can be very funny at times. Same as Mike, I don't see TV very much nowadays due to the BS that can be broadcasted and reruns of those shows that I have already seen on dvds, blurays and cinemas. This is also due to the long working hours that I'm going thru when boss is around. Another alternative is to come here more often and write your stuffs here instead of seeing the TV. Also, can rent or buy dvds and blurays to watch when the TV gets too boring. Thinking of Mike when he has no car, you can also get up and go hiking to the distant seasides and hills or mountains. You guys are more fortunate than me as you can live in places where there are interesting outdoors. Me, I go everywhere in Singapore and I can see houses and concretes. Ok, ok, this may sound boiling or funny whichever which way you see it. Be a Susan Boyle and win one of the top spot in UK Got Talent show. So go to the Pub and brush up your karaoke singing. You can be a "star" with endless time not to yourself and endless money to your bank when you reach there. Yeah, sing in one of those "Estuary Englishs" to peek up interest.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2012 13:04:39 GMT
bloody Welsh people reading the news, illiterate Geordies hosting "reality" shows, woofters presenting chat shows, loud mouthed, clueless teenage "assholes" spouting their opinions.... gays, token ethnics, weirdos..... you name it.... whatever happened to proper "ENGLISH"? I (sort of) agree with you... but my spin on this is that the TV companies, well the BBC anyway, seem to expend a lot of energy ensuring that the regional accents get their fair share of air time. Does it follow then, that we over-estimate the amount of time given over to what we individually perceive as 'foreign' accents? As a Hampshire-raised guy my ears are attuned to a broad range of Southern accents and as a result I am fairly tolerant of the Essex / London / Estuary characteristic way of speaking, only reaching the RANT point when I am trying to (patiently) sit beside my wife while she continues to be intrigued by the trivial goings on in Walford where aggressive husky whispering, door slamming, foytin' and shah'tin are considered adequate substitutes for an entertaining plot. So, conditioned as I am to Southern accents, I seem to notice that Midlands and Northern accents predominate... far too much " 'appen as like" ... for my ears. And it can take me quite a while to attune to a Scots accent. But hey what does it matter? I do think that factual programs and the News should be predominantly presented in Received Pronunciation (RP). RP should be considered the British Isles' 'Lingua Franca' where, wherever you were raised, you won't have trouble understanding the message. You don't have to speak it.... but you have the ability to decode it readily, like it or not. I do think that West Country accents are under-used... they often crop up in a comedy context (Justin Lee Colins, Bill Bailey, Stephen Merchant for e.g.) .... I'd love to hear the Ten O'clock News read by Jethro. Nothing to do with accents really but I too am tired with (and annoyed by) the over-reliance on the gay/camp thing. Graham Norton? Dale Winton? As we say, some of my best friends are gay. I don't care if someone is gay or straight. It honestly is of no consequence. But that camp voice thing... aaaaarrrrgggghhhhh. Derek
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2012 14:09:46 GMT
There's an awful lot in there that I agree with Dez, particularly the Walford bit, but fortunately my wife shares my views so I only have to suffer the adverts/trailers, not the whole crappy load of cobblers. Another thing that irritates me is the over exposure of lightly talented (being polite here ) celebrities who are only 'famous' for being famous. As an example, there'a current 'competition' (read 'lottery') running on one of the major stations to win a holiday in Hawaii at the Villa Kakei. To my knowledge there's been 3 such 'celebs' shown displaying the delights of the place. What is the justification for flying 3 'celebs' all that way just to 'push' a revenue raising 'competition'? Surely the same clips without the presence of the 'celebs' would be equally effective? Rant over!! Dave.
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Post by puffin on Feb 7, 2012 21:51:08 GMT
Having been brought up in London I was exposed to many dialects and sloppy or slang language. I had lots of black friends, but neither I nor any of my mates wanted to speak like them, unlike a lot of today's youth with their infuriatingly irritating "patois" speak. If only they knew how dumb and stupid they sound. Come to think of it all my mates, of any colour had a sarf lundon accent.
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