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Post by phoenixpete on Apr 11, 2011 23:08:52 GMT
Been thinking of getting a pair of fairly cheap phones mostly for use with the playstation 3 via my Yamaha AV amp for late night sessions. I had been using my Grado SR80s, they sound great but are not very comfy for more than twenty minutes even with the Maplins ear pads. I was very surprised at just how good the Superlux are, not the last word in resolution,bit bass heavy but nice and smooth and more than good enough for gaming. I find them very comfy even with the original pads,after I sorted the fit to get them nice and snug without squeezing my brain too much.Really pleased especially for the price they are, and they arrived within 24hrs. One thing is slightly odd, they only have the wire going to the left side I can't see how the right side is connected unless the signal goes via the headband somehow?? Got them on ebay £34.99 inc free delivery cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230450749633&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:ITPete.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2011 6:52:23 GMT
It does... through the 2 metal rods
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Post by phoenixpete on Apr 12, 2011 16:56:05 GMT
It does... through the 2 metal rods Ah!! Weird Cheers Pete.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Apr 12, 2011 20:42:02 GMT
It does... through the 2 metal rods Ah!! Weird Cheers Pete. Quite logical as it goes..... the rod provides good tension for the headband and doubles up as a conductor.... IMO it is perfectly good and attempting to bypass the rods with boutique cable will do nothing other than cost you money. I really like the HD668B, they are much better balanced than the HD681 and extremely good VFM.... they "look" pretty naff but, what the hell, the sonics make up for their lack of glitz in the aesthetic dept.
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Post by XTRProf on Apr 13, 2011 1:24:26 GMT
It does... through the 2 metal rods Wow, the way you present the matter sounds like the death row stuff.
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Post by XTRProf on Apr 13, 2011 1:33:55 GMT
Been thinking of getting a pair of fairly cheap phones mostly for use with the playstation 3 via my Yamaha AV amp for late night sessions. Just curious, since you have a PS3, and so OT a bit, how's the performance of the 3D bluray drive, if you have done so and have the 3D version. I was very surprised at just how good the Superlux are, not the last word in resolution,bit bass heavy but nice and smooth and more than good enough for gaming. I find them very comfy even with the original pads,after I sorted the fit to get them nice and snug without squeezing my brain too much. So the sound of the 668B can be desrcribed as somewhat smooth sounding like a Sennheiser 650? Wanted ot get a better idea of this HP. I think, like Solderdude's favourite, velour pad earcups will be more comfortable although not the last word for isolation compared to soft leatherette pads. Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2011 7:38:56 GMT
It does... through the 2 metal rods The downside of this method is that you have to put up with the fact that the two earpieces will sound different. One channel's signal needs to flow through the metal rods; the other does not. As we know, conductor quality is everything - introducing non-audiophile cheap steel into the equation on one channel only cannot be A Good Thing. Regards, Derek
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2011 7:52:31 GMT
Well... the rods are not made out of steel as you cannot solder steel and this stuff you can solder pretty easily. Could be steel is used and then it is nickelplated or something. Ofcoarse I measured it and the resistance is negliably low as is capacitance and inductance. Funny thing is all you hear is negatives about the superlux rods but NOTHING about AKG who uses the same construction (Superlux copied it from AKG) in most of their high end and professional products and also some other manufacturers. Differences in sound between earcups is more likely due to spread/tolerances in the production process of the drivers then in the rods or extra solder connection IMO. The HD668B does not sound like the HD650. the HD668B lacks the highs and low extension of the HD650 and is more forward sounding. Less 'laid back' / warm then HD650. I would say it is more closely to AKG 501/601 then HD650 I do think all Superluxes benefit sonically and comfortwise with AKG velourpads
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Post by raver on Apr 13, 2011 8:14:16 GMT
I too have a pair of these, and bought also a pair of AKG K-240/270 velour pads, but I was wondering how to install these. The plastic rim seems so tight that cannot be easily put on the headphones edges.
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Post by XTRProf on Apr 13, 2011 8:48:49 GMT
The HD668B does not sound like the HD650. the HD668B lacks the highs and low extension of the HD650 and is more forward sounding. Less 'laid back' / warm then HD650. I would say it is more closely to AKG 501/601 then HD650 Good, so the Superlux is a more presence type of sound and not as smooth sounding as the Senn. Then I can somewhat infer from here that the Razer gaming HP will be almost like a Superflux 668B but, perhaps, slightly better sounding when played with a more correct matching HA as it doesn't use steel rods for connecting wires. You guys still must compare though as I'm just inferring from here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2011 9:10:28 GMT
the question would be if the resistance/capacitance/surface/inductance of rods is better then a piece of copper wire going from one earpiece to the other (single entry headphone). I have a sneaky suspicion the rods will be MUCH better then a piece of cable in all aspects... and... it would only sound 'less' on one side... and would it be the rods/connection or tolerances in the drivers and differences between ears and positioning of the earpiece itself that would have the biggest impact. but about the pads. I do it like this: pull off the old pads. On the topside of the earpiece you fold the vinyl rim onto the earpiece and position the pads as they are supposed to be. Then I take the back of a teaspoon (or other similar non sharp object like a number 3 flat screwdriver) and stick this between the earpiece and the vinyl mounting flange of the pad from the back of the earpiece. Now carefully slide the teaspoon around the earpiece until you reach the other side and it will slip on quite easy. Personally I found the HD668B (or Samson SR850 which sound pretty similar) a bit boring/flat compared to a filter- and hole-modded HD681, granted... voices are better on HD668B/SR850 though. The HD668B/SR850 are more natural/flat/honest sounding, fully modded HD681 more lively/engaging/fuller/fun. a matter of preference ... unmodded the HD668B/SR850 are MUCH better then unmodded HD681 which I cannot stand, way too much treble.
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Post by XTRProf on Apr 13, 2011 9:20:00 GMT
the question would be if the resistance/capacitance/surface/inductance of rods is better then a piece of copper wire going from one earpiece to the other (single entry headphone). I'm very sure even if those measured the same, those 2 will sound different. For better or worst, only our "religions" can advise us. but about the pads. I do it like this: pull off the old pads. On the topside of the earpiece you fold the vinyl rim onto the earpiece and position the pads as they are supposed to be. Then I take the back of a teaspoon (or other similar non sharp object like a number 3 flat screwdriver) and stick this between the earpiece and the vinyl mounting flange of the pad from the back of the earpiece. Now carefully slide the teaspoon around the earpiece until you reach the other side and it will slip on quite easy. Yup, in short, the changing tyre style in short! Err, I mean changing bald, like our head crown , tyre out from the rim at the tyre shop style ...............
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2011 9:40:56 GMT
For you it will, for me it won't. I can assure you a piece of wire and the rods measure quite different (I did measure it so I know). All aspects (resistance, inductance, capacitance, contact surface area) greatly in favor of the rods... AKG will agree but what do they know.. you probably won't as well as all cable modders and people who listen to solderjoints, happily forgetting hundreds of solderjoints one knows nothing about have already been passed by the precious signal, if only one could redo them all including those in the recording path. (Just teasing Chong... )
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Post by XTRProf on Apr 13, 2011 9:50:16 GMT
you probably won't as well as all cable modders and people who listen to solderjoints, happily forgetting hundreds of solderjoints one knows nothing about have already been passed by the precious signal, if only one could redo them all including those in the recording path. (Just teasing Chong... ) Oh, wait till you see my solution to try to lower the dc offset for the AHA as well as to improve sound quality.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2011 9:58:08 GMT
You guys are WEIRD WEIRD WEIRD. Din't you see the 'wink'? I was only messing about.....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2011 10:09:24 GMT
That would be by switching yours off ? This will guarantee the lowest possible offset after a few hours. (with bleeding resistors mounted) ;D Alex and Will will be glad to see the SiliconChip A-HA could be further improved with the aid of some ZEN. ;D O.K. we should stop polluting this thread now. And we should stop being weird too
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2011 10:32:35 GMT
Well let's get this thread back on topic...
HD668B it was.. I believe.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2011 10:35:52 GMT
Well let's get this thread back on topic... HD668B it was.. I believe. Derek
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Post by PinkFloyd on Apr 13, 2011 10:39:18 GMT
There is nothing wrong with a good piece of rod.... no skin effect either so probably PREFERABLE to cable!!
If only we could remove all cables and replace them with ROD... it would mean the headphones were in a fixed position (possibly on scaffolding) and you would have to clamp your head in place to listen to them but, WOW, the highs would be so much higher and the lows would make your toenails curl.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Apr 13, 2011 10:42:16 GMT
The future of audio........ ROD
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2011 10:49:26 GMT
Mike ... you know what happens if I type the word 'rod' in the alternative dictionary link you once pointed me at.
Nothing beats a good solid rod. ROD's rule... (R. Stewart probably agrees too)
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Post by phoenixpete on Apr 13, 2011 21:10:23 GMT
Been thinking of getting a pair of fairly cheap phones mostly for use with the playstation 3 via my Yamaha AV amp for late night sessions. Just curious, since you have a PS3, and so OT a bit, how's the performance of the 3D bluray drive, if you have done so and have the 3D version. No 3D I am afraid. Does a good job on Blu-ray though. I was very surprised at just how good the Superlux are, not the last word in resolution,bit bass heavy but nice and smooth and more than good enough for gaming. I find them very comfy even with the original pads,after I sorted the fit to get them nice and snug without squeezing my brain too much. So the sound of the 668B can be desrcribed as somewhat smooth sounding like a Sennheiser 650? Wanted ot get a better idea of this HP. Compared with my very well used Grado SR80s ( not heard the Sennheisers )the superlux seem smoother,a bit bass heavy with less brightness but a very relaxed listen,the Grado's are brighter but not shrill,have more resolution. My old favorites Stax new SR3 with a SRD 5 energiser are just brilliant.,very nice all round,not the deepest bass but mid's are great,just like the quad esl 57s really Had them refurbed with new cables and new diaphrams soon after I bought them in the early 80's not used a lot but they are a joy to listen too. I think, like Solderdude's favourite, velour pad earcups will be more comfortable although not the last word for isolation compared to soft leatherette pads. I am finding the leatherette ear pads perfectly fine,probably better with the velour pads but I am happy as is. Thanks.
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Post by XTRProf on Apr 14, 2011 4:53:20 GMT
The future of audio........ ROD To get the message clear, I have no problem with COPPER ROD but I don't think it's that good with STEEL ROD. That's what I see in the Superflux as the latter. As ROD STEWART once sang, I am sailing, I am sailing. home again, 'cross the sea. I am sailing stormy waters To be near you, to be free I am flying, I am flying Like a bird 'cross the sky I am flying, passing high clouds To be with you, to be free Can you hear me, can you hear me through the dark night far away I am dying, forever trying To be with you, who can say (x2) We are sailing, we are sailing Home again 'cross the sea We are sailing stormy waters To be near you, to be free Message in a bottle ............
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Post by XTRProf on Apr 14, 2011 4:59:48 GMT
No 3D I am afraid. Does a good job on Blu-ray though. The PS3 can be upgraded to 3D with some firmware changes if I'm not wrong. I'm not so sure about the bluray drive though, as to whether the firmware upgrade will turn that into a 3D drive. Fyi.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2011 6:28:16 GMT
Ahh... so you have a Superlux and disected the rods in a metallurgy lab ?
I did a headon comparison (together with a Muso) last evening. modded HD681 vs modded SR850 vs stock HD668B vs stock HD681B
Also compared K500, K240, K340, D7000, HD650, W5000, V-jays, HD650, DT990 (old), Yuin G1 and a limited edition HF-1 to compare it with (my new amp and Neco Mosfet) it got late...
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