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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2010 13:47:57 GMT
I bought these from Lidl yesterday for Euro15. They are folding,supra-aural, noise cancelling cans with integral volume control and detachable lead. First impressions; Non powered (without noise cancellation) a tad dull straight out of the box. Powered, far more dynamic, in fact for 15euros damn good. Comfort hard to tell as I have only worn them for a half hour but no issues within that time, being light (despite needing on board 2x AAA batts), having well cushioned earpeices and band and no adverse lateral pressure. SPECS...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2010 14:01:20 GMT
Chris, If they're listenable - what a bargain. Those types of things work really well on boats and planes. I have the Senn PX450's. Don't particularly like them though. They also introduce hiss when the noise cancelling is on. A bit thin with noise on and too fat with noise off!!! Can't win. Tried to sell them. No-one wanted them.
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Post by Will on Jul 11, 2010 15:55:09 GMT
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Post by crashhot on Jul 14, 2010 11:58:13 GMT
hopefully the wife will pick some of these up for me today, looking forward to trying them out, but for £12.99 it's definitely worth the risk!
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jul 14, 2010 20:13:44 GMT
Hi Will, If you're in there would you please pick up a pair for me? I'll paypal you the funds inc. postage. Mike.
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Post by Will on Jul 15, 2010 7:11:50 GMT
Hi Will, If you're in there would you please pick up a pair for me? I'll paypal you the funds inc. postage. Mike. No problem, Mike. I'll pop in tomorrow and pick up a pair for you. Will
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jul 15, 2010 19:22:01 GMT
Will, that is very good of you, many thanks If you can let me know your Paypal address I'll sort you out. Mike.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2010 15:43:32 GMT
My Lidl cans (proper name = Silver Crest KH 2347) have been left running for nearly a week 24/7. I can only detect very slight changes in their sound signature thus far, most noticeably not quite as dull when not powered. I would now describe it as overblown bass.
When powered I have not noticed any change at all. (but then all running in was when off)
In a quiet enviroment (powered) the treble is a little prominent, put yourself in a noisey place and this strangely evens out.
Another thing, set the headphones own volume control to max. and then control with the source. This removes some grunge from the signal (I presume the vol-control is shite!)
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Junk that nasty 3.5mm cable, I've just popped on a bog standard "figure of 8" replacement and the improvement is instant. More even toned, more detail and a broader feel, rather than in the middle of your head. So the next move is knock up a proper one. I'll try some of the noiseless mic. cable I used on the Superlux to good effect.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2010 17:41:22 GMT
Chris,
When you turn the noise canelling on, do you get much hiss introduced into the signal?
The Senn PX450 hisses and it was a terrible price and the the other one I had - (The one Mike was selling). Actually, the one Mike was selling produced a more balanced sound. Can't remember its name!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2010 18:04:09 GMT
Chris, When you turn the noise canelling on, do you get much hiss introduced into the signal? Ian, I can't say I've noticed any. I'm yet to try them on a decent/any headphone amp, so far I've only used direct headphone outputs on portables and the laptop, as this is their intended use with maybe a portable amp. I'll take them home one day and see how they hold up. I'm certainly happy using them in place of the work-resident Senny PX200s, quite different though and the noise cancelling works to a very noticable degree. Where I sit for the computer I'm surrounded by machines a-humming, they fall silent when using these cans.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2010 11:26:27 GMT
Thanks Chris, I went in disguise to Lidl's!!! Took my daughter to Horley and the bloody shop was closed on Sunday. So off we went to Addington. They had wireless headphones and at first, I thought, no noise cancelling. However, they were in the opposite end of the shop. I have no idea what the logic behind this is but at least they had them. Been trying them this morning - Great. A little bit 'boomy' but the noise cancelling does the job better than my others which are much higher priced. The Senn PX450 is positively awful. Without noise cancelliing they are fat and boomy, with noise cancelling, thin and nasty. Also, hiss is introduced. Turning the noise cancelling on changes the impedance quite a lot so they totally change. I remember, the cheaper ones that Mike was selling did the same with less change in sound so I found them better, but still hissed. With these really cheapo things, there is NO hiss at all with the noise cancelling switched on. Sound isn't the greatest but it's perfectly ok for listening to mp3's in a noisy environment. Well spotted!! They are a great buy. First time I've been in a supermarket for years!!!!!
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jul 18, 2010 11:46:02 GMT
I went in disguise to Lidl's!!! It's not "that" bad in there Ian! I Know the most expensive item in there is the £1 you put in the trolley (and you even get that back!) and it has the reputation of being a shop for dossers and junkies but I find it to be a very good shop! Their tools are excellent, I've had one of their glue guns on 12 hours a day for the past 6 years and their cordless drills are also very good. They change their offers twice a week so it's worth keeping an eye on their website www.lidl.co.uk/Pointed cabbage are 29 pence each today, you just can't beat that! I see they have the glue guns on sale again next Thursday ( £4.99) I'll pick one up if I come across a Lidl on my travels next week......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2010 11:52:00 GMT
As a hardened dosser, I didn't want to let it show.
No seriously, I rarely ever go to supermarkets (or shops!!) Hate it.
These headphones are really good for that price. I'd have got you one Mike, but Chris is already getting it for you.
Re hiss: it is there but VERY low level when the circuit is switched in. With the Senns, it's more obvious. With these, it gets pushed back.
Tone changes with on/off. I actually find it better with noise cancelling on. The lower mids are a little stronger and they are a bit sucked out with it off.
I'd rather use these than the Senn PX200 to be honest. Bigger (but smaller thn I thought) on ear pleather pads. They don't isolate as well as some because of the on ear but they do work.
I'm taking these with me to Spain. Doesn't matter if they get nicked and will work on a plane.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jul 18, 2010 11:53:58 GMT
You popping over for a crate of pointed cabbages Rabbit?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2010 11:59:09 GMT
You popping over for a crate of pointed cabbages Rabbit? 'Ere 'ang on. Rabbits don't just eat and make bunny balls you know. Come the spring ........ Chris .... have you been? If not I'll go!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2010 12:42:03 GMT
Ian, It was Will that was doing the do, though we're all Will-ing I don't think Mike needs 3 pairs or more I must try a better source in a quiet enviroment, I really haven't noticed it. Then again, maybe not, because then I'll focus on it, you know how these things go... That was my original thinking too, the fact that they are a decent listen is almost a bonus.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2010 13:21:32 GMT
Yeah - sorry Chris. I sent a message to Mike and he said Will had got him some. For some reason, I thought you were doing the deed!!
They are rather nice. I've shoved a HD681 filter on and that seems to make them more even sounding as well. (The filter that Frans made to calm the treble of the HD681) No loss in volume, just seem more even.
Overall, they are on the 'dark' side but I don't mind it and the resolution is a bit roughshod. However at this price, the noise reduction works well and makes listening posible without the irritation of background hums like microwaves, hoovers etc. It basically eeks out the bass content of background noise so it's less intrusive.
To me, the sound is better with the noise reduction on as well.
Driving them from the Neco portable from an Ipod Classic - sounds great. (Well for such a daft price anyway)
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Post by Will on Jul 18, 2010 21:27:47 GMT
Yep, Mike's pair have been aquired and will be winging there way come Tuesday (sorry Mike, got sidetracked Saturday, and tomorrows 'full' as well ) Should have Mike's opinion by the end of the week.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2010 15:46:32 GMT
If you plug these into a mains amp and switch on noise supression, you get quite a bit of hum come through.
I attached it to X-Can and V-Can. The X-Can is worse but there is a lot of noise. Only with noise supression switched in. Nothing on battery amps.
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Post by crashhot on Jul 19, 2010 18:40:11 GMT
I haven't had a chance to try these out till recently, they are really very good for the money, and I completely agree with everyone who says it's better with the noise cancelling turned on.
Unfortunately I don't have 1000 pairs of headphones like you guys, however I reckon most people would think this was good value for money and very "listen-to-able".
Ian, how much difference does the Neco make? I'm trying to talk myself out of buying one of the portable ones, I'm making a really rubbish job of it at the moment but I haven't succumbed yet so I'm trying to think of lots of reasons why not?
BTW, Bayers are interesting but I need to do a lot more listening and they are quite different from what I'm used to (701's) so it's tricky learning to differentiate "difference" from "like" .
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I haven't had a chance to try these out till recently, they are really very good for the money, and I completely agree with everyone who says it's better with the noise cancelling turned on. Unfortunately I don't have 1000 pairs of headphones like you guys, however I reckon most people would think this was good value for money and very "listen-to-able". Ian, how much difference does the Neco make? I'm trying to talk myself out of buying one of the portable ones, I'm making a really rubbish job of it at the moment but I haven't succumbed yet so I'm trying to think of lots of reasons why not? BTW, Bayers are interesting but I need to do a lot more listening and they are quite different from what I'm used to (701's) so it's tricky learning to differentiate "difference" from "like" . The Neco gives more headroom, so it sounds more 'comfortable' and you feel as though you have power to spare. The portable with the 8610 op amp gives a little more edge to the sound in comparison to the op amp that Neco puts in as standard. The Beyer DT770 will go a little bloated if not driven properly and it's certainly not shy of bass. Very different to the Grados and the K701. I felt that the headstage was slightly better with an amp as well. Of all the portables I have had, I feel that the Neco is definitely one of the best. The only other ones I kept were made by a guy called Norman. Go Vibes. Really lovely little amps although reviews on the internet were somewhat up and down. I liked them a lot. Norman was strong on attack, timing and the pace of sound. (Often referred to as PRAT) He is retired now but was into the clean cut Naim sound of old in the days when we were all using Linn decks and Naim amps. The Neco is also built like a tank and is rechargeable which is perfect for a portable. The big battery lasts a very long time too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2010 19:30:10 GMT
I wonder if that is because most of us have the output caps removed in our modded X/V-cans? Then the Silver Crests presumably have no thought given to mains interference as they are intended to be used on the move? I assume, if this were the case, that some sort of suppressor could be popped in line if one was keen to use these on a mains amp? Someone with more than no clue please chime in I'll take mine home tonight and try them on everything I have, I've been meaning to try them on the NG27 which I keep forgetting to bring with me. I also forgot to buy some 3.5mm jacks to terminate a replacement cable with. Ahem! Exposure amps and Roksan decks I really do wish I hadn't sold that system
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2010 21:06:49 GMT
I also had a Roksan - Beautiful!!!!! Everyone also went on about the Spendors. (Really insensitive speaker)
Yes, it is mains interference on the headphone, but I don't have any intention of using it on them. Just wanted to see what it was actually capable of.
The mains noise happens when the supression is switched on. With it off, it's not anything like as bad.
I wonder if that is because most of us have the output caps removed in our modded X/V-cans? Then the Silver Crests presumably have no thought given to mains interference as they are intended to be used on the move? I assume, if this were the case, that some sort of suppressor could be popped in line if one was keen to use these on a mains amp?
I think that's it!
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Post by PinkFloyd on Jul 20, 2010 7:35:36 GMT
Going off on holiday a day late so managed to pick a pair of these up yesterday at the Lidl in Thurso (they had about 40 boxes of them there). First impressions.... build quality is first class, nice positive on / off switch and quite comfy on the head... all good stuff! If it didn't say "SilverCrest" on them these could easily be mistaken for the likes of Sennheiser, Beyer etc. A nice little carrying bag (again, decent quality), an airplane adaptor and a most comprehensive instruction manual complete the package. £12.99? Already it's good! Had a quick listen to these via my iphone (which I will take on holiday as my main music source along with the KH2347) and am very impressed with the sound quality. As others have already commented, I prefer the SQ with the ambient noise reduction switched to the ON position (it seems to "lift" a slight veil)... with the noise reduction switched on it appears to filter out ambient outside sound from 300Hz downward so these will be very good if you're on a bus (for example) as they will filter out the rumbling noises. The "Play/Mute" button on the L/H ear cup is very handy..... I was getting "talked to" last night and simply pressed it to cut the music and could hear what "her indoors" was saying.... press it again and, voila!, the music returns and she is, once again, drowned out.... pity that women don't come with a "mute" button on their foreheads There's actually quite a lot to these 'phones and what there is appears to be extremely well implemented.... hell, you even get a 3 year warranty..... these are not some el cheapo, badly designed gimmicky 'phones, they actually do what they are supposed to do..... very nice indeed. Sound quality? So far so good. They are a tad "round" and ever so slightly thick sounding but I've only had mine playing for about 20 minutes so all that could (and probably will) change over the next few hundred hours. Just because they are cheap doesn't mean you pop them on your head for 5 minutes and then declare "they sound like XYX".... nope, give these the respect you would show to an expensive pair of headphones and treat them just the same.... give them a good workout for a few hundred hours, I've got a good feeling there's a lot of potential in these 'phones just waiting to be released Feel them, touch them, flick the switch back and forth..... quality aren't they? As I say, if they had "Sennheiser" stamped on them and you'd paid considerably more for them you probably wouldn't be disappointed? Understand what they are doing..... disconnect the lead, put them on your head and switch the noise reduction ON. Sit there for a few seconds then hit the MUTE switch.... hear the difference? Nifty I've got 5 days to listen to these extensively, My iphone is loaded with Apple lossless files so I'll take the KH 2347 away with me on holiday and give them a real good work out. Initial impressions are very positive and @ £12.99 an absolute BARGAIN... no doubt at all about that! Mike.
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