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Post by zephyr on Apr 20, 2010 14:36:05 GMT
True, I'm somewhat hesitant, though, to pay almost 20€ for a pair of earpads for headphones that cost 30€. And I'm also not sure whether it solves my problem. The insides of the cups are against the cartilage of my ears which hurts after a while.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2010 14:52:35 GMT
original Superlux pad thickness = 20,5 mm AKG pad thickness = 20,5 mm Skytronics pad thickness = 19 mm
inner diameter original Superlux pad = 56mm inner diameter AKG pad = 52mm inner diameter Skytronic pad = 55mm
So AKG pad is NOT going to solve your touching the ear problem but does address the sweaty ear syndrome...
Will be hard to find a can with thicker then 20mm pads (my HD650 and DT990 have about the same thickness of around 20-21mm)
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Post by audiofil on Apr 20, 2010 22:00:15 GMT
In my mind the real culprit is actually the thick vinyl finish on the Superlux pads. For my ears/head the AKG velours made a BIG difference in comfort for the sole reason that velour is softer and the fabric much easier "accepted" as comfy by my earlobes. The fatigue sensation sets in much later, usually well after I'm tired of music listening itself. Don't worry too much about loosing bass with AKG pads because you won't! My feeling is that it actually gets better and punchier (and so are the mids and highs) Think of it this way: the stock pads have a tougher fabric that do not seal completely and have a higher reflexivity of sound (being a harder surface) The velours on the other hand provide a better seal (which helps the bass response), do not reflect as much and absorb better stray sound waves (polluting less the direct sound coming from the drivers). I assume that pleather pads would behave similar. Apart from comfort, I'd say that the AKG pads provide a performance upgrade as well, even though it's slight and HRTF related. Something else I'm cooking: Making a ring out of felt (or something similar) glued onto the front, surrounding the driver mesh (where the white paper ring sits). The plan is to make it exactly as wide as the pads so that they won't interfere in between the ear and the drivers. Basically I'd be stuffing the underside of the pads with felt. By putting more distance between the ear and the driver can bring a few benefits: improved comfort and improved bass depth and soundstage. I've already made a few experiments by stuffing the pads with pieces of cloth. There's definitely more bass than before and a clearer sense of soundstage. Less cloth was better than more cloth, because too much would alter the tonal balance in a wrong way (surprisingly in the highs). One more thing: please allow HD668B to burn in. After a few days it will become a better headphone! The bass in particular will suffer important changes (to the better) in both depth and impact. So, just let nature do its work!
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Post by clausdk on Apr 20, 2010 22:31:07 GMT
Try the HD660, great phone also.. I do not agree that the 681 needs a filter, to me the siblans has a lot more to do with the Amp. than the phones. I prefer mine filterfree, the filter makes them a bit dull to my ears.. It is all a matter of taste and have IMO, not very much to do with actual SQ, more the signature of the sound.. I have my filter "on tour" in a danish forum and know I am not alone in preffering them filterfreee.. What they do need is a bit of dampning and a better cable (or at least lesser solderingpoints).. Just try some of the models and find out which you like the best, in their pricerange it won´t cost you an arm and a leg..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2010 23:54:38 GMT
Claus That is incorrect, although the amplifier itself can sometimes make sibilance sound worse. Things like using low ESR capacitors in power supplies etc. can exaggerate this.(even using too many low ESR types in a JLH . ) The main cause of unwanted sibilance is marked peaks in the headphone response between 6KHZ and 14KHZ, although some headphones like the AKG with their much higher impedance further up the range can also sound sibilant if due care with the amplification is not taken. Perhaps you have hearing damage that is causing severe HF rolloff ? A build up of ear wax can also cause loss of treble. Alex
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Post by MaN227 on Apr 21, 2010 1:23:33 GMT
my two cents. if you are going to buy a set of cans and not mod them, to me hands down out of the hd600 hd668B and hd681 the 668B is the best all around. I can recco them . it depends on what you will listen to with them. cause to be honest the hd600 had the best mids of all the superlux cans modded or not, take that to the bank. the hd600 is to compare simlar to an akg k701 with its thinner bass. the mids on 681 are pretty crappy , the 668B pretty good and the 600 spot on, clean uncluttered, no grain the others have. those are the three I have . so if vocals and acoustic is your bag, 600 easy choice. wide range 668B, IF you can get mods for the 681 the are a good can with super duper kick ass bass. but to me the catch is muffled mids and highs in comparison to the other two superlux cans. so that is the simplest totally honest things I can tell ya. Mind you the modded 681's do not fatigue in the least , can listen to them hours on end, guessing due to the sharpness being taken from them. best of luck in your musical journey, best way to tell is do what I did, buy them all
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2010 1:49:29 GMT
my two cents. if you are going to buy a set of cans and not mod them, to me hands down out of the hd600 hd668B and hd681 the 668B is the best all around. I can recco them . it depends on what you will listen to with them. cause to be honest the hd600 had the best mids of all the superlux cans modded or not, take that to the bank. the hd600 is to compare simlar to an akg k701 with its thinner bass. the mids on 681 are pretty crappy , the 668B pretty good and the 600 spot on, clean uncluttered, no grain the others have. those are the three I have . so if vocals and acoustic is your bag, 600 easy choice. wide range 668B, IF you can get mods for the 681 the are a good can with super duper kick ass bass. but to me the catch is muffled mids and highs in comparison to the other two superlux cans. so that is the simplest totally honest things I can tell ya. Mind you the modded 681's do not fatigue in the least , can listen to them hours on end, guessing due to the sharpness being taken from them. best of luck in your musical journey, best way to tell is do what I did, buy them all Chaz That may be your personal choice, but everybody hears differently, and most people have vastly different sources and amplifiers to go with them. You simply can NOT generalise like that. Alex
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Post by Z on Apr 21, 2010 3:37:33 GMT
pfft. the man can do what he wants. he's a man ain't he?
(and besides, he tells it just like all you do.)
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Post by Z on Apr 21, 2010 3:42:56 GMT
and what skytronics are y'all talking about?
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Post by JohnnyBlue on Apr 21, 2010 11:05:06 GMT
and what skytronics are y'all talking about? Here you go. A bit of judicious bending and they're very comfy (see the Skytronics threads here and here for details).
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Post by clausdk on Apr 21, 2010 13:48:51 GMT
Claus That is incorrect, although the amplifier itself can sometimes make sibilance sound worse. Siblans is very often very bad on most european players, due to the restriction on the players a powerfull headamp cures a lot IMO.. Some phones are more prone to siblans than others, maybe that the crappy amps only makes things worse, but good amps helps a lot.. So I am not wrong, maybe a little off the track, but not wrong.. My ears and hearing are fine and if I did had a damage I would not notice any difference when changing amps, would I ?? I also find lossy files more siblant than lossless
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2010 22:07:06 GMT
Claus I have severe industrial type hearing damage, as well as being 71 years old, and I hear MASSIVE differences between amplifiers. If I didn't , I wouldn't be able to post those various DIY projects, would I ? Alex
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Post by clausdk on Apr 22, 2010 13:33:25 GMT
Claus I have severe industrial type hearing damage, as well as being 71 years old, and I hear MASSIVE differences between amplifiers. If I didn't , I wouldn't be able to post those various DIY projects, would I ? Alex So do we agree or disagree, I got confused
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Post by osciater on Dec 8, 2010 11:04:59 GMT
Which model of Superlux cans do you prefer for hobby electronic dance music production? I can choose between standard HD681 (the red one), the HD681 F and HD681 B. It's important that cans don't have too much of bass, it has to be nicely balanced with higs and mids and it has to be deep.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2010 12:37:10 GMT
That is hard to say..
all these Superluxes share the same 'problem' of having too much treble. With electronic dance this may become over the top. HD681 and 681B both have similar amounts of bass but the B doesn't reach as low in the deepset of deep bass notes. The -F version will sound much less bassy.
If you want to mix or produce the disadvantage of having (too) much bass is that when your production to others which do not have the same amount of bass in their gear the result might be a lack of bass to them. When using the F version the opposite can happen and others will hear more bass then you did mixing while producing. The closed versions HD662 also need filtering in the highs.
Consider HD668B for this purpose if you want to stay within the affordable Superlux range. Samson SR850 might also suit this profile.
The Samson SR850 also can be improved with a filter as both have a peak in the highs that is too much, though less then HD681 series
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Post by osciater on Dec 8, 2010 16:34:56 GMT
I think I'm going to get HD661X, because I can get them for a really low price comparing to HD668B/SR850 and (according to this forum) they still sound awesome with a notch filter mod. The only question is, should I get HD681 standard or HD681B?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2010 17:45:03 GMT
I would recommend the HD681B, although I never heard this one I think it is the same as the Presonus HD7.
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Post by elysion on Dec 12, 2010 4:46:07 GMT
I use my SR850's very often with electronic sound and the bass is never too much.
What I like most is that they are almost non-fatiguing and well suited for very long listening. If you find them for a good price (probably still somewhat higher than all Superlux models), I'd go for them.
AKG pads are almost essential. Velours pads are best, but the AKG pleather pads are also not bad. Both are far superior to the stock vinyl pads.
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Post by osciater on Feb 11, 2011 19:24:51 GMT
Just got the Superlux HD 681F cans and after few hours of electronic dance music listening, I'm dissapointed. All following comparisons are made to in-ear phones I'm currently using.
First thing is bass. It simply isn't loud enough and it's very lacking in depth. I tried to fix this with boosting freqs to 60Hz. I made 2dB boost, everything above doesn't sound natural. In bass section these cans just can't compete with my earplugs in any view.
Second, lots of sibilance and louder high freqs in general. There is just too much of it, especially in tracks with rich high freq content, which is becomes irritating. Trying to listen such tracks on higher levels is impossible. I EQed this a lot, that was -8db at 14kHz, which mainly fixed the problem, also other bands weren't masked so much.
The whole picture simply isn't the whole picture, I just miss that 'on the stage' sound. One of the reasons is of course, the lack of bass.
On the plus side, sound is cleaner and more defined, also it's location is presented better. Overall not enough to beat my current phones.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2011 21:25:09 GMT
From the entire HD681 range I personally would never buy the F version. Glad you tried and posted your findings, I would buy the B (perhaps) but not the F. For the B and normal version the filter is obligated IMO as are the velourspads. The normal version I would cover 2 of the holes in the cups. This lowers the amount of bass and tightens it.
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Post by raver on Feb 28, 2011 15:51:22 GMT
Thomann has removed the 668B from his store, and the same did the only italian store that had it. Both stores got their last supply less than ten days ago, and it seems it was sold out in a few day. Luckily I was able to get one last week. I fear that the 668B is gone for good.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2011 18:44:26 GMT
The Samson SR850 is the closest thing to replace the HD668B. Very similar in sound.
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Post by elysion on Aug 30, 2011 0:54:05 GMT
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