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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2009 22:22:08 GMT
Jesus.... they are Beyer DT -770's Oh yeah! A quick scan around the forums shows they've been around 2 or 3 years and received very varied opinion. Mike, your fave(sic) forum slagged them off before they even heard them It's closed back I'm after at the mo. The 662 looks like it may be a lighter version. Claus, 660 on Ebay? scanned worldwide, me no findy! brail and white stick please!
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Post by PinkFloyd on Nov 25, 2009 22:26:57 GMT
Jesus.... they are Beyer DT -770's Oh yeah! A quick scan around the forums shows they've been around 2 or 3 years and received very varied opinion. Mike, your fave(sic) forum slagged them off before they even heard them It's closed back I'm after at the mo. The 662 looks like it may be a lighter version. Claus, 660 on Ebay? scanned worldwide, me no findy! brail and white stick please! Chris, I am trying to get a few pairs of HD-662 for appraisal (they are not being launched until January 2010) I will keep you all posted. Mike.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Nov 25, 2009 22:37:12 GMT
Mike, your fave(sic) forum slagged them off before they even heard them Par for the course Chris, they either LOVE gear they have never heard and jump on the bandwaggon like frenzied goats or they go the other way and slag gear off, again, without having, not only, heard it but most of the time "seen" it ;D I really don't pay much attention to what is said there these days and haven't "looked" at the place for well over a year... way too many "opinions" from arseholes who "think" rather than "do" ;D
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Post by clausdk on Nov 26, 2009 11:09:32 GMT
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Post by clausdk on Nov 26, 2009 11:18:17 GMT
Mike, your fave(sic) forum slagged them off before they even heard them Par for the course Chris, they either LOVE gear they have never heard and jump on the bandwaggon like frenzied goats or they go the other way and slag gear off, again, without having, not only, heard it but most of the time "seen" it ;D I really don't pay much attention to what is said there these days and haven't "looked" at the place for well over a year... way too many "opinions" from arseholes who "think" rather than "do" ;D Like lemmings almost like this forum is going for the 681 now ;D ;D
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Post by toad on Nov 26, 2009 11:23:12 GMT
Yeah but we are informed lemmings
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Post by matt7941 on Nov 26, 2009 12:38:49 GMT
And we're happy lemmings. The thing is we trust Mike's, Alex's et al opinions on here as, by and large, their opinions have been empirically tested and proved sound. We're just such a trusting bunch. Matt
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2009 13:02:39 GMT
And we're happy lemmings. The thing is we trust Mike's, Alex's et al opinions on here as, by and large, their opinions have been empirically tested and proved sound. We're just such a trusting bunch. Matt Matt I can't, and will not comment on the performance of these particular headphones until I listen to them for myself. However, if Mike says they are better than average, they almost certainly are. Alex
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2009 15:17:18 GMT
I see the light! Cheers matey.
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Post by rossman on Nov 26, 2009 18:02:14 GMT
Picked mine up this morning had a listen with my mp3 player and they sounded a bit shrill, although my workmate thought they sounded good and might get a pair. I also gave another workmate info about them. Once I got them home and tried through my main amp they sounded great and even better through the SCHA. I had a quick comparison with my AKG 271s and the Superlux's were more tuneful, had better seperation of instruments and bass was good. As far as comfort goes they feel much better then the AKGs and don't seem that far behind the Senns so no complaints on that front from me All in all very worthwhile and I'm looking forward to hearing them when they have run in more.
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Post by dean0 on Nov 26, 2009 19:37:17 GMT
Mine arrived today, first impressions are good. I done a quick compison to HD650's and the signature is very different. More bright, their is a slight shriel to the treble atm, hopefully burn-in will minimize this, less bass and intrument seperation not as good, but.... for the money these sound awesome. Sound is airy, spacious, and timbre is excellent, on accostic tracks you realy can 'feel' the guitar strokes. Comfort is very good, they are so light you forget your wearing headphone's, I think these will replace my DT770's for watching late night movies I would rank these as follows in my current headphone stash; 1. HD650 2. Superlux HD681/Shure SRH840 3. Beyerdynamic DT770pro 4. HD595 Considering these can be bought for under £20 and all my other headphones are above £100, I cannot believe the performance of these cans. Thankyou for the recomendation dean0
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2009 19:42:42 GMT
I got my Superluxes yesterday and had my first listen last night after 3 or 4 hours burning in with an Isotek high-stress burn-in disc. I was utterly astonished at the S.Q./price ratio. I only have one other pair of headphones, Sennheiser 595’s (which my understanding wife paid £150 for last Christmas), so those are the only reference I have. Now I know 595’s are not exactly the best headphone in the world, but neither are they cheap rubbish, yet I would say that the Superluxes are of equal S.Q., though different in presentation. I had a three-way demo arranged for next Thursday between my own 595’s and a pair of 600’s and a pair of 650’s. I’ve now cancelled it and will wait till I hear the new range that Mike mentioned Superlux would be bringing out early next year. I’m looking at my invoice from Themusicking which states “Superlux HD681 Headphones - £13.04” plus I paid £2.61 for shipping and £2.35 for V.A.T., Grand Total £18. My question is ‘How can this be?’ I read earlier in the thread one of the guys make the point that if Superlux are making thinly disguised copies of their O.E.M. products they don’t have the R.& D. costs of – for instance – A.K.G. But really , how much R.& D. is involved? Headphones have been going since at least the 1930’s, each design incrementally improving on the last. I can understand high R.& D. costs when introducing a new technology into headphones like electrostatics. But when Sennheiser or Audio Technica bring out their latest model, its simply a (hopefully) slight improved version of the last one. How can they justify their price structure? What do others think?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2009 21:10:55 GMT
Mine arrived today. Not as cheap looking as suggested imo. The sound straight out of the box feels a little edgy for me but from what I've read, they loosen up with time.
They perform well above their price imo. Great clarity Good timbre.
The price is a puzzler because if these go around say, £20, then the company must be making a profit so it makes you wonder how much profit these other companies are making.
It's not like the difference in price is small either.
I tell you, the past few weeks has been a real eye opener for me on RG with things that are sold at certain prices and their real value.
Here we are again - another one. A £20 headphone!!!!
Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Nov 26, 2009 22:52:24 GMT
Mine arrived today. Not as cheap looking as suggested imo. The sound straight out of the box feels a little edgy for me but from what I've read, they loosen up with time. They perform well above their price imo. Great clarity Good timbre. The price is a puzzler because if these go around say, £20, then the company must be making a profit so it makes you wonder how much profit these other companies are making. It's not like the difference in price is small either. I tell you, the past few weeks has been a real eye opener for me on RG with things that are sold at certain prices and their real value. Here we are again - another one. A £20 headphone!!!! Ian Ian, Made in England / Made in Scotland / Made in Germany / Made in Austria DOES cost a lot because the cost of living in Europe is a LOT more than it is in China. If we could manage to live on £5 a week then the prices would be a lot cheaper...... £1.50 for a loaf of bread, £3 for a bit of cheese and 50 pence for a packet of crisps.... to even afford "essentials" the average European needs at least £250 in their pocket eack weekjust to make ends meet..... Sooooooo....... your European headphone company is employing, say, 500 people at an average wage of £250 per week.... that's a total outlay of £125,000 per WEEK just to pay the staff. Move over to China........ the same 500 workers on £5 a week (IF they are lucky) costs the company just £2,500 per week.... parts are also cheaper there, factory rent is cheaper..... well, EVERYTHING IS CHEAPER...... you can soon see why WE need to charge to survive in the European Union..... it's called "democracy".... you could also call it a "capatilist society"....... I call it a fcki'n "rip off". So, why do Euro companies charge so much for much the same thing? Because they are part of a "democracy" (ie: you have the freedom to elect a dictator)........ it's all Fcki'n warped and, until / if the new order comes as a result of a social "civil" war, it will continue to be a warped world we live in.
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Post by clausdk on Nov 27, 2009 1:01:34 GMT
Are you Merton in disquise ?
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Post by Will on Nov 27, 2009 10:32:41 GMT
Something that may also come into it is perceived value to the ability/quality of the equipment. Many people will dismiss these headphones as they cost too little. They cannot possibly be good enough for the price, especially compared to more expensive offerings. I remember reading about when James Dyson launched his new vacuum cleaner in Japan, priced at about £200 or something. Hardly sold at all. After a bit more market research, he changed the cleaner a bit, and priced it at £2000. They flew off the shelve, as everyone had to have one, as they had 'snob' value. I experienced similar when I recommended the SCHA on another forum, the reply was to tthe tune that for the money, it cannot be any good. If AKG or Sennheiser brought out their very best headphone, but sold it for £50, there would be a lot of people who would not buy it, as it does not cost enough, compared to other manufacturers. Something else to bear in mind is that you can have an amp or headphones manufactured elsewhere, but if final assembly and packing is performed in, say, Austria, then you can say 'Made in Austria' Cheeky.
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Post by derekrumble on Nov 27, 2009 13:00:28 GMT
Sat sitting here with Emma Kirkby on laptop/CD, wife next to me watching Hobly. 681s settling in really well. I can just hear Hobly, wife can't hear Emma. Just noticed how finely etched the sound is getting - wonderful harpsichord. Ok - so I've had mine since 6 Nov.... which is three weeks ago now.I have no idea how many hours playing they have had; I would guess 15 or 20 at a modest level. They are already very smooth. What I like a lot is the spacious feel to the sound; good perspective too. Far more out-of-the-head than I would have expected for a closed/semi closed design. Listening to jazz acoustic guitar just now, the HF content of the plucked strings is now emanating from the same point in space as the main body of the sound. I would say that when the 681s were new then the edges would have been more forward - does that make sense. Used them as monitoring 'phones for a bit of a home recording session on Thursday - great isolation. Up to now I have used open backed phones for this purpose - and my mic picks up any leaked sound from the 'phones - which is, of course, an issue with open back 'phones. Used them on and off for about three hours - good comfort. Anyone want to hear the result? - as yet unedited with just a touch of reverb - crap backing track unfortuantely - but it was fun. Regards, Derek
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Post by derekrumble on Nov 27, 2009 13:12:43 GMT
Have just ordered two pairs from themusicking.co.uk - total inc delivery was £33. Christmas 'stocking fillers' for my two sons. They are pretty fussy about sound (although they DO use to MP3 too often for my liking); hope they appreciate what we are all on about.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Nov 27, 2009 13:18:31 GMT
Are you Merton in disquise ? Noooooo! I'm far more dangerous than him when I get going
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 18:27:16 GMT
Are you Merton in disquise ? Noooooo! I'm far more dangerous than him when I get going You're also a lot funnier!! It's a case of buy direct from China then eh? Ian
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 19:29:47 GMT
Iangraig 10,
An informed guess, i would say that Superlux are producing these at around £6 a pair, retailers, VAT, and postage push this up to the £20 mark.
AKG, take the 701`s , which i am familiar with, a rough costing on these, i think probably around £50 a pair would easily cover the cost per pair, as most of the components would be sourced from larger company`s, and then assembled in house by AKG.
20YRS ago i was producing, in my workshop at home, in my spare time, the Aluminium bodies for the Nagoaka range of Moving magnet Cartridges, these were branded the Stilton Nagoaka range at the time, the project was given to me by Ken Procter, the Managing director of Stilton Audio, a good friend of mine.
I made these for just over a year until, i could not cope with demand, went from 100 units a month, to 1000 units after 3 months so barely had time to sleep. I was the first rung on the ladder, and only took %5 of the cost of the upgraded Cartridge conversion price, but im not complaining, i did extremely well out of it.
So from experience, i know how much profit is to be made from any thing Hi-Fi, especially if you get the "nod" from any well known reviewer, from the list of Hi- Fi Magazines. ;D
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Post by PinkFloyd on Nov 27, 2009 20:51:05 GMT
Mick, Your "modded" alu ring HD-681's arrived today along with a spare set of rings for my own HD-681..... many thanks, you've done a marvellous job there If you can PM me your details I'll get a new pair of HD-681 in the post to you Monday. I notice you left the small gap on the large ring at the bottom of the housing..... would it possibly be a better idea to fit it with the gap at the top? That way it won't be seen at all as it will be hidden by the headband I'll try and get my rings fitted at the weekend if I've got a spare moment.... I've plenty of araldite and looking forward to doing it Mike.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 21:36:19 GMT
That was quick Mike, only posted them yesterday morning, good service from the Post Office. Yes, did think about positioning with regard to the fitting gap, and yes i think yr right on that one, will do that on my other pair.
The biggest chore is removing the original glue, not difficult but worth while getting rid of as much as possible for perfect fit, removing the standard rings is easy enough, with sharp knife.
I used superglue on the smaller rings, just a tiny amount at 12, 3, 6 and 9 on there mounting bosses, and Araldite around shoulder, and a 3-4mm back on cups for the large ones, any over spill comes of easy enough with paper towel in the first 2-3 minutes, and filled in expansion gap with some rubber compound i found in my garage.
Like i said, at your convenience with the replacements, i am not waiting on them. Have fun.
Mick.
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Post by jonclancy on Nov 27, 2009 22:28:24 GMT
I wish I could get hold of those headband covers so sooth my sweating, baldy pate!
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Post by PinkFloyd on Nov 28, 2009 20:19:26 GMT
That was quick Mike, only posted them yesterday morning, good service from the Post Office. Yes, did think about positioning with regard to the fitting gap, and yes i think yr right on that one, will do that on my other pair. The biggest chore is removing the original glue, not difficult but worth while getting rid of as much as possible for perfect fit, removing the standard rings is easy enough, with sharp knife. I used superglue on the smaller rings, just a tiny amount at 12, 3, 6 and 9 on there mounting bosses, and Araldite around shoulder, and a 3-4mm back on cups for the large ones, any over spill comes of easy enough with paper towel in the first 2-3 minutes, and filled in expansion gap with some rubber compound i found in my garage. Like i said, at your convenience with the replacements, i am not waiting on them. Have fun. Mick. Hi Mick, Did a "dry fit" today and, man you've done a good job on the measurements, they're pretty much PERFECT The expansion gaps won't be a problem, I'll slot in a suitably sized strip of aluminium or just "fill" it with a drizzle of araldite, rub it down slightkly with some 1200 grade wet / dry and coat with a couple of layers of alu wheel paint. Now....... I've got a mate not too far away who can do "anything" with leather so will take the headband over to him next week and see what he can do If "anything" you will be the first to receive a nice, quality headband The "warning / do not remove" acoustic grille is VERY interesting.... I'm pretty sure superlux use different acoustic grilles in the three versions of HD-681 to produce the three different presentations.... they are pretty "simple" looking devices and I am convinced an aluminium replacement would be, sonically, better..... just imagine what a "complex" aluminium matrix grille could achieve! Think about it..... maybe 400 cells of differing shapes and sizes.... quite an engineering feat but, get it right, and you could have the goose that lays the golden egg Mike.
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