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Post by buelligan on Feb 6, 2007 4:20:47 GMT
I ran a search on this subject and found nothing, so apologies in advance if it has already been discussed.
I'm very close to purchasing the Grado gs 1000's and the X-CAN v3 and was looking for any input from those who have auditioned the combo.
Thanks, Buelligan
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Post by buelligan on Feb 8, 2007 1:22:29 GMT
Umm.. OK conjecture and opinions would be fine too.
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Post by Sol on Feb 8, 2007 12:56:43 GMT
The X-CAN V3 works very well with both low and high impedence phones. The higher end though seems ot suit slightly better.
A highly modded X-CAN V3 (al la Mike's mods) suits both equally well. I find the mods work very well with the Grado 325i and the HD650 I have ... gievn their deiferent sonic signatures it's no mean feat!
Dynamics very good/excellent (Grados perhaps have the edge) Imaging very good Detail very good/excellent Warmth - more natural tonal qualities from the Grados, more coloured from the Senns Exetnsion - Senns go lower, Grados go higher
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Post by buelligan on Feb 9, 2007 5:55:30 GMT
Thanks Sol.
I'll probably wait until the warranty on the amp expires before I mod it, but it's good to get he benefit of your experience.
Thanks, Buelligan
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Post by highendjohn on Feb 9, 2007 16:38:49 GMT
Reading the forums I saw this one with some interest so decided to make it my first post! I bought the GS1000 recently for £795 from an online retailer (!) and they sound fantastic. They take some warming up (around 50-100 hours) but I am now convinced they are better than my HD650s and comfier too!
I had a Grado RA-1 which was an excellent companion but now upgraded to Graham Slee's excellent Solo MC.
Has anyone compared the GS1000's to RS1's?
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Post by rickcr42 on Feb 9, 2007 21:49:07 GMT
I may be off base but i always considered the GS1000 a "bastard" step child in the Grado line even though it is the so called flagship model. way back in 2001 I listened to a pair of the never released (as far as I know anyway) Grado Labs home Theater Headphones that I had at the time named the "Big Muffs" because of the size of the ear pads.These BIG MAMMA HONKING earpads meant to be a bit more comfy for long term listening (movies) due to them better covering/surrounding the ear rather than sitting on top like with other Grado cans. So, here we are in 2007 with what looks to me like an HF-1 housing that to me is a woodified version of the 325i transducer housing mounted with RS-1 transducers and the former home theater headphone ear pads called "new" and at a price that is even costlier than the very costly RS-1 which at least is unique to itself. Nope. As much as I like the Grado sound I'm not falling for it
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Post by PinkFloyd on Feb 9, 2007 23:17:09 GMT
You "Really" don't want to hear my opinions £795? ? That's $1,551.20 USD for a pair......... No, you don't want to hear my opinion re: "Grado" I won't add insult to injury ;D
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Post by rickcr42 on Feb 10, 2007 0:48:55 GMT
This is the first anti grado Mikism I actually agree with.
No way am I convinced the GS1000 is twice as good as the RS-1 which it would have to be since it is twice the price so I'm thinking it is more aimed at the "I have all this loot so I need something new" crowd that will buy damn near anything headphone related just because they can and they don't already have it with Grado more than happy to comply.
The only hope these cans have of retaining value is they go obsolete (expected in the next year or two) due to lack of sales,someone posts at headfi that these are the greatest thing since sliced bread then all the "me too/gotta have it" will start to scramble for all available pairs driving up the cost at ebay which will then be followed by some idiot doing the "maybe we can petition Grado to do a small run for us" thread.
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Post by Sol on Feb 10, 2007 8:54:47 GMT
The only hope these cans have of retaining value is they go obsolete (expected in the next year or two) due to lack of sales,someone posts at headfi that these are the greatest thing since sliced bread then all the "me too/gotta have it" will start to scramble for all available pairs driving up the cost at ebay which will then be followed by some idiot doing the "maybe we can petition Grado to do a small run for us" thread. LOL .... natural pack behaviours do seem to be amplified (sic) in specialist online communities. Apparently it's about being "in" ... which is rather amusing given that there is no "us", as everything is a virtual construct. Repeat after me .. there is no HeadFi - it is a virtual construct - I am a person not a number
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Post by buelligan on Feb 11, 2007 1:28:06 GMT
You "Really" don't want to hear my opinions £795? ? That's $1,551.20 USD for a pair......... No, you don't want to hear my opinion re: "Grado" I won't add insult to injury ;D Actually, they are $995 USD for a pair. If the U.K distributor does service on the phones then they are earning the difference. If not, you guys are getting screwed (or is it stuffed...sodded?). I'll be sure to get them with a return option.
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Post by buelligan on Feb 11, 2007 1:31:50 GMT
This is the first anti grado Mikism I actually agree with. No way am I convinced the GS1000 is twice as good as the RS-1 which it would have to be since it is twice the price so I'm thinking it is more aimed at the "I have all this loot so I need something new" crowd that will buy damn near anything headphone related just because they can and they don't already have it with Grado more than happy to comply. The only hope these cans have of retaining value is they go obsolete (expected in the next year or two) due to lack of sales,someone posts at headfi that these are the greatest thing since sliced bread then all the "me too/gotta have it" will start to scramble for all available pairs driving up the cost at ebay which will then be followed by some idiot doing the "maybe we can petition Grado to do a small run for us" thread. RS-1s are $ 695 USD; GS-1000 are $995 USD. I don't have lots of loot; these are coming very dear to me. If they don't live up to expectations, back they go.
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Post by aurum on Feb 11, 2007 9:45:13 GMT
I have the RS- 1's and they are great. You also can have them modded into eye candy here: www.headphile.com/ The extra padded cushions look comfy as well.
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Post by rickcr42 on Feb 11, 2007 14:19:00 GMT
Even still. For $1,000 USD they better say "STAX" on the earcups or rick is taking a pass.No way any dynamic headphone is worth such a high price with even my RS-1 a thing I really had to think about before pouncing because to be honest I don't think ANY headphone should run more than $300 or so for the top models unless they are E'stats. I am also convinced this market has gone way past "SQ" or "tool for the job" and into "Art Collecting".No more are headphones an audio accesory for a targeted use but a "hobby" where folks get so wrapped up they spend more time wondering what the headphones are they glimpsed for a moment in a movie than they are worried about the plot line.In that atmosphere you see product lines expanded beyond all sanity where one or two or maybe three models would have covered any intended use. do the manufacturers know this ? do they know they can come out with new products that have little merit and still sell to the niche audience ? Hell yes they do ! Fancy names,slick styling,nice catch phrases,too damn "pretty' to use unlike in the days of old where ALL headphones were beater cans (AKG K-240,Senn HD-414,older Beyers,KOSS PRO-4) that you could kick the shit out of and still play on without worrying about the scratches or the taped up cable or if you had a fancy stand to display your treasure....................maybe keep a cloth nearby to wipe the fingerprints off after use and that special cover so no dust gets on 'em..... The GS1000 may be a perfectly fine sounding headphone and may have merit (better earcups for better long term listening and maybe better bass) but for the price ? A price that can get me a BOX FULL of the great performing/built like a brick shithouse Sony MDR-7506's from one of the pro audio outlets and still have enough loot left to buy a pair of RS-1's ? Not likely ;D OK.I'll stop........................maybe
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Post by PinkFloyd on Feb 11, 2007 22:29:43 GMT
GS-1000 are $995 USD. GS-1000 are £995 GBP (pounds) in the UK which equates to $1,943.07 USD Have a look and see www.stoneaudio.co.uk £995 ($1,943) They've gotta be taking the piss big time. You'd have to well "stoned" to hit the buy it now button at that joint. "stoneaudio, ripping off the stoned since 1984" From Stoneaudio's website: "We take great pride in providing quality equipment that's a bit out of the ordinary, together with a genuine commitment to customer service. Many of the items we deal with are exclusive, and varying pricing isn't an issue. On the more readily available lines, we've done our utmost to ensure that our prices are competitive with our pile it high friends. If you see anything we sell cheaper elsewhere, please let us know. We'll try our best to remedy the situation." I'll let them know that I can shave $1100 off the price of their GS-1000 and see if they're willing to "remedy the situation"
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Post by rickcr42 on Feb 12, 2007 2:28:07 GMT
Unfortunately the new "I have all this loot and wanna buy something dammit" mindset is what keeps the prices in the above-consumer-grade-garbage inflated beyond all reason with a damn lot of that going purely to cosmetics and not anything that makes the sound better and if it does use upgrade parts in combination with what is expected in chassis work at the high end even more retarded. Paying thirty K for an frikkin' amp ? $50K for speakers ? Another $10K to wire it all up ? another slash on the side of the ledger that says humans are not getting smarter but are regressing and that way faster than it took to go from monkey boy picking bugs out of his ass and eating them to walking upright and using tools. figure from the 1930's 'til the late seventies it was FOWARD DAMMIT ! WE GOTTA KNOW ! Then once machines started doing the thinking using old ideas thought up in an actual human brain by THINKERS now picked apart and re-assembled from any and all possibilities where at some point an answer is spit out and the "whatever" built as per instructions.The once 'if you are an idiot you will not be allowed a position where your actions can hurt others" has gone to NO ONE FAILS ! Everyone is equal ! We had a guy in the sixth grade that at the time we thought was cool as hell because he had actual facial hair,smoked and drank and had actual sex with a human female but WE were 12 while HE was 15 years old so a man among children.how is this possible ? He was so busy trying to be cool he forgot to learn anything so he kept staying back and there being a law at the time that you had to go to school until the age of 16 or get locked up where you would be forced to go he was just marking time until he was old enough to quit and because the teachers knew this and knew he was a waste case he was left alone so he could be "cool". NOW everyone passes.No one is left behind so even if you are a functional retard you WILL get your diploma and that diploma says you know a thing or two even if you are in a coma from the neck up and means you will get work or advance to higher education where for a price you can hang out for a few more years totally baffled and again have a piece of paper sayiong you "know" something and even if when pressed to actually say what that something is you come up with a blank you will still get the job. So 1969 Apollo goes to the moon,a couple of years later Popular Science show the firsat glimpse of the space shuttle and does the article on "this is how we will get the raw materials to space so we can build the space station that will be the assembly area/launching pad for mans first mission to mars" and I'm thinking space exploration in my lifetime and what happens ? The fkn thing goes up.They screw around.It comes down.....on a good day. No lunar base,no return trip to the moon,no REAL space station and mars is no closer thirty years later than it was in the seventies and recently i read how NASA is trying to figure out how to get back to the moon and i'm thinking "you fkn retard ! Copy the plans from the first trip !" but that is too easy so as usual nothing will happen because they are IDIOTS with no vision 1940-1980 we go from the technological dark ages to the computer/space age 1980-2007 we get cell phones and MP3 players and no one even notices the human race has stagnated and become decadent in the so called civilised nations (the i wants while rome burns) and while the barbarians are at the gates and are PISSED ready to burn down everything just because they don't have anything better to do they having no iPods and no cell phones or music downloads to occupy their time even though for the amount of loot they spend on carnage they should all live like princes (bombs,bullets,tools of destruction-all expensive with the biggest bang-nukes-being the most costly when you add in the delivery system and support tech yet no one seems to notice the people live like shit while oil money that is enough for everyone and then some goes to personal power and personal glory and personal "I will rule the world or blow it up in the process" grand delusions.Even worse is those who weild the power as a class are suck fkn faggots (not in the gay term but in the street term for punk) if they did not have body guards I could walk up to any,SLAP the shit out of them open handed instead of a balled up fist and have that person whimper to me how if i stop he will do anything i want,give me anything i want and if i wanted to could dress the puke up in a dress and make that person dance in the town square and he would DO IT rather than get slapped again because that type always talks it but has others walk it in their stead they being good with the words but lacking in the "balls" area. The baddest folks i ever met never tooted their own horn telling anyone who would listen how bad they were because being bad they KNEW what time of day it was and did not need to prove shit to make up for insecurities or feelings of inadequacy which is usally the profile of every BULLY I have ever met.Never go nuts up with an equal or a possible superior but pounce without hesitation when someone is weak and because they are weak and the would be bad man just as it usually goes to an extreme level just to portray power. The bad man ? he never starts but if pressed is usually a damn good finisher and it matters not if it is a win or a loss because it aint about that what's that got to do with anything ? Everything.Our leaders (both government and commerce) are all herd culls and they know it and because they know it feel inferior so being in a position where what they say or do matters to others use their position of power to replace the set of nuts they never aquired but if the lights ever go out,if there is ever a major event where the power grids go down due to natural or intentional events,when their "toys" no longer work and they realise the wolves are out and on the hunt they will all revert back to their true form and huddle in a dark corner somewhere quiet as a mouse HOPING no one they abused discovers where they cower. as time passes and the weak fail to survive the fall it will go back to a time when survival meant either you had a skill to offer the tribe and pulled your weight or you waited outside the campfire hoping for scraps to feed on after everone else had their fill and being an outcast will have no shot at breeding thus not continuing a weak seed making the tribe stronger,smarter,faster,better class dismissed
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Post by aurum on Feb 12, 2007 4:06:58 GMT
Rickamundo You sound like an M5 reader. I have wondered for a long time why technology has put so many fragile transistors in everything. One big blast of solar flare radiation & all those transistors are likely to be buggered. Boo Hoo all the sheeple are back to the dark ages. It is little wonder that the US Military has such a large stash of valve operated equipment & the Stealth Bomber has valves in its circuits
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Post by buelligan on Feb 12, 2007 19:02:45 GMT
OK, opinion and conjecture weren't such a good idea.
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Post by rickcr42 on Feb 13, 2007 3:09:30 GMT
i remeber many years ago watching a senate session where "experts" from the pentagon were pleading for funds so they could upgrade the tactical bomber squadron to the B-2 with the most memorable part being where they were saying "we are protecting the nation with an antiquated technology.How antiquated ? Our current bombers are using out dated tube electronics.do any of you even have a TV set that uses tubes ? Of course not because is is an out dated technology" Which I knew was pure shilling,pure uncoated bull doo doo because the ones playing stupid (pentagon) were playing to a crowd who they knew WERE stupid-the senators. Such a lazy bunch until it is time for re-election they never ever did even the minimum research that would have told them not only do we use tubes but so do the then Soviet union with the reason being when/if the nukes fly everything will go dark that is not either case hardened or tube based or both.The nation goes dark,the populace is fked and the gov rides on into the light In fact they lied because they knew they could get away with it two summers ago the power grid went down across the entire eastern seaboard for an entire day and to this day it has never been explained why but if it was more than a day ? CHAOS would rule ! We have allowed dependance on machines and if the machines fail people fail. My "conspiracy theory" side says it was a government experiment for whatever reason (they collect all kind of data that seems to have no meaning until it is cross correlated with other data...) and why it was in the middle of summer,a time when no power meant discomfort at worst but no deaths due to freezing so a "safe" test.Worse it was forgotten a week later as if it never happened The cool part of all this is the new production tubes that we have available for audio use as an overflow of keeping the MIGs flying and if not for NATO bombing the piss out of the Ei factory in the former Yugoslavia taking an entire class of options off the board would be even more varied. The only mystery/question i have is we KNOW where the former soviets were getting their "valves" but what secret factory is making ours in the U.S. ? Is there at some future date another "new production tubes" choice on the horizon ? NOS prove the U.S. has the skill,or at least did once,so considering the advances in materials this secret stash may just be among the best ever produced
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