Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2014 0:30:37 GMT
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 22:19:56 GMT
Apple are pure evil. How else could they print "64 gb" on the outside, then inside you see "capacity 57 gb". And if that isn't bad enough, try to fill the 57 gb and you'll find they "reserve" a few more gb for temporary storage and flop space. Pity the 16 gb buyers - they'd be lucky to have 7 gb free that they can use.
EDIT: And to show what liars they are about the 64 gb - you might expect in a 64 gb machine they really need 7 gb for the O/S, default apps, etc. But no! The 128 gb iPad Mini has a capacity of "115 gb".
So each block of 64 gb reserves** 7 or more gb for ______ (fill in the blank).
**i.e., there is no reserve - the 64 gb spaces are actually 57 gb.
|
|
alex30
Been here a while!
Posts: 156
|
Post by alex30 on Oct 2, 2014 9:18:39 GMT
Apple are pure evil. How else could they print "64 gb" on the outside, then inside you see "capacity 57 gb". And if that isn't bad enough, try to fill the 57 gb and you'll find they "reserve" a few more gb for temporary storage and flop space. Pity the 16 gb buyers - they'd be lucky to have 7 gb free that they can use. EDIT: And to show what liars they are about the 64 gb - you might expect in a 64 gb machine they really need 7 gb for the O/S, default apps, etc. But no! The 128 gb iPad Mini has a capacity of "115 gb". So each block of 64 gb reserves** 7 or more gb for ______ (fill in the blank). **i.e., there is no reserve - the 64 gb spaces are actually 57 gb. Hi Dalethorn. I'm not sure how things are in the States but here in England all our storage is sold as the unformatted capacity but when in use this figure is reduced by about 10%.The missing Gb are there but hidden and used by the system. For instance the 2TB Seagate Back Up Plus that I fitted into my laptop and which has 2TB written on the box and on itself gives me 1.81 TB available to use - ie: roughly 10% down on the advertised capacity. This seems in line with your 57 Gb instead of 64 Gb. Also machines that we buy never have user available storage that matches the advertised figure. There is always some reserved just for system use and it is a constant percentage unless it is a SSD which can have various amounts of overprovisioning .I'm no Apple fan but it seems to me that they are in step with the rest of the industry, unless I have misinterpreted your point. Always possible with advancing years.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 11:55:57 GMT
Apple are pure evil. How else could they print "64 gb" on the outside, then inside you see "capacity 57 gb". And if that isn't bad enough, try to fill the 57 gb and you'll find they "reserve" a few more gb for temporary storage and flop space. Pity the 16 gb buyers - they'd be lucky to have 7 gb free that they can use. EDIT: And to show what liars they are about the 64 gb - you might expect in a 64 gb machine they really need 7 gb for the O/S, default apps, etc. But no! The 128 gb iPad Mini has a capacity of "115 gb". So each block of 64 gb reserves** 7 or more gb for ______ (fill in the blank). **i.e., there is no reserve - the 64 gb spaces are actually 57 gb. Hi Dalethorn. I'm not sure how things are in the States but here in England all our storage is sold as the unformatted capacity but when in use this figure is reduced by about 10%.The missing Gb are there but hidden and used by the system. For instance the 2TB Seagate Back Up Plus that I fitted into my laptop and which has 2TB written on the box and on itself gives me 1.81 TB available to use - ie: roughly 10% down on the advertised capacity. This seems in line with your 57 Gb instead of 64 Gb. Also machines that we buy never have user available storage that matches the advertised figure. There is always some reserved just for system use and it is a constant percentage unless it is a SSD which can have various amounts of overprovisioning .I'm no Apple fan but it seems to me that they are in step with the rest of the industry, unless I have misinterpreted your point. Always possible with advancing years. I've used hard drives since 1981, and flash drives since 1994, all of which reserve a very small percentage of space for drive management. But operating systems for computers, and 'firmware' for handheld devices, are a different issue from drive management (i.e., File Allocation Tables or FAT tables etc.). Operating systems and firmware take up big chunks of space, such as the 7 gb they chew up on a 64 gb iPod. But to have 7 gb taken on *every* extra 64 gb space is a scam, pure and simple.
|
|
alex30
Been here a while!
Posts: 156
|
Post by alex30 on Oct 2, 2014 12:07:54 GMT
Hi Dalethorn, Where do you think these lost Gb's are ? Are you saying that the 7 Gb of every extra 64 Gb simply do not exist? I have long regarded Apple as being bandits, simply because of the exorbitant rates they charge for extras that the PC manufacturers put out for much less and so I have always stayed clear of Apple products but I didn't realise that it was as bad as you say.
|
|
alex30
Been here a while!
Posts: 156
|
Post by alex30 on Oct 2, 2014 12:29:41 GMT
|
|
rowuk
Been here a while!
Pain in the ass, ex-patriot yank living in the land of sauerkraut
Posts: 1,011
|
Post by rowuk on Oct 2, 2014 17:03:13 GMT
I don't understand the excitement. No one got screwed. Every single sold byte is there, physically and electrically. Those that have trouble with Apple can simply ignore it. There are all sorts of wonderful windows, android and misc. operating systems and other phones that have and need various amounts of memory. Choice is perhaps the greatest difference in our current stand of civilisation compared to earlier years - well for those of us not living in the Middle East in any case.
As someone who wire wrapped my own first 8kb memory upgrade for a Commodore VC20, anything purchased today is PURE LUXURY. I do not need 30GB+ of music/video/photos with me everywhere that I go. I think that we should count our blessings. The privilege to bitch is also something that builds with decadence. I am as guilty as anyone else. My fortune is not dependent on having or not having the newest and bestest.
If one was looking for an excuse to avoid Apple, there are far more "critical" things than criticising them for publishing memory specs like EVERY OTHER COMMERCIAL BUSINESS ON THE PLANET. But once we start, we discover that the competition is not really better, rather they have simply chosen a different set of things to like or bitch about.
I really resent calling Apple or any other "legal" business "pure evil". Hitler, Ghaddafi, Jack the Ripper, Bernie Madoff aren't even pure "evil" and they got where they were by NOT allowing choice.
|
|
alex30
Been here a while!
Posts: 156
|
Post by alex30 on Oct 2, 2014 19:30:29 GMT
I don't understand the excitement. No one got screwed. Every single sold byte is there, physically and electrically. Those that have trouble with Apple can simply ignore it. There are all sorts of wonderful windows, android and misc. operating systems and other phones that have and need various amounts of memory. Choice is perhaps the greatest difference in our current stand of civilisation compared to earlier years - well for those of us not living in the Middle East in any case. As someone who wire wrapped my own first 8kb memory upgrade for a Commodore VC20, anything purchased today is PURE LUXURY. I do not need 30GB+ of music/video/photos with me everywhere that I go. I think that we should count our blessings. The privilege to bitch is also something that builds with decadence. I am as guilty as anyone else. My fortune is not dependent on having or not having the newest and bestest. If one was looking for an excuse to avoid Apple, there are far more "critical" things than criticising them for publishing memory specs like EVERY OTHER COMMERCIAL BUSINESS ON THE PLANET. But once we start, we discover that the competition is not really better, rather they have simply chosen a different set of things to like or bitch about. I really resent calling Apple or any other "legal" business "pure evil". Hitler, Ghaddafi, Jack the Ripper, Bernie Madoff aren't even pure "evil" and they got where they were by NOT allowing choice. Hi rowuk, I must say that I totally agree with your sentiments. I will also say that I choose to avoid apple products (so far ) because I consider them overpriced . However I just could not see where Dalethorn was coming from as it seemed to me that Apple would not try and get away with such a transparent scam that Dalethorn alleged. The explanation given in the link that I posted would seem to totally refute Dalethorn's claims but I await his response, perhaps he has taken into account the difference in decimal and binary measurement.
|
|
rowuk
Been here a while!
Pain in the ass, ex-patriot yank living in the land of sauerkraut
Posts: 1,011
|
Post by rowuk on Oct 3, 2014 20:42:53 GMT
I must say that I totally agree with your sentiments. I will also say that I choose to avoid apple products (so far ) because I consider them overpriced . However I just could not see where Dalethorn was coming from as it seemed to me that Apple would not try and get away with such a transparent scam that Dalethorn alleged. The explanation given in the link that I posted would seem to totally refute Dalethorn's claims but I await his response, perhaps he has taken into account the difference in decimal and binary measurement. Hi Alex30, actually the Faux Pas here is for those that have an 8GB iPhone. Generally they will have to backup everything (good to do anyway) and then wipe the phone clean as the IOS8 needs almost everything available for memory to update. After the update, there is room again to move stuff back. The additional memory is needed for the operating system swap and is what it is. There is nothing wrong with not wanting Apple products. I simply have a problem with plain bullsh1t arguments. If someone wants to explain what is wrong with Apple, there are enough truths and we do not need to make stuff up.
|
|
jc
Fully Modded
Posts: 5,417
|
Post by jc on Oct 3, 2014 22:40:55 GMT
There is nothing wrong with not wanting Apple products. I simply have a problem with plain bullsh1t arguments. If someone wants to explain what is wrong with Apple, there are enough truths and we do not need to make stuff up. Having never made the jump to Mac from PC I have no need for their syncing abilities. Therefore I am not used to the Apple way of doing things and don't get on with the UI of iPhones & iPads. I am totally biased towards PC and Android and very happy with them. I know plenty of people who are totally Apple equipped and love them. I just don't need to change and don't need to learn the Apple way of doing things. When people start harping on that Apple is better for normal uasge I just glaze over. It's what you know, if you start with one you'll probably stay with it unless a specific grudge or need pushes you to the other camp.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 23:28:51 GMT
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 14:03:30 GMT
Apple's disclaimer is at least 30 years out of date, and basically a big lie. They're not just stealing from *each* new block of memory, they also are not answering to the temporary memory space in gigabytes(!) that they reserve for things they don't discuss.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 16:56:27 GMT
I don't understand the excitement. No one got screwed. Every single sold byte is there, physically and electrically. Those that have trouble with Apple can simply ignore it. There are all sorts of wonderful windows, android and misc. operating systems and other phones that have and need various amounts of memory. Choice is perhaps the greatest difference in our current stand of civilisation compared to earlier years - well for those of us not living in the Middle East in any case. As someone who wire wrapped my own first 8kb memory upgrade for a Commodore VC20, anything purchased today is PURE LUXURY. I do not need 30GB+ of music/video/photos with me everywhere that I go. I think that we should count our blessings. The privilege to bitch is also something that builds with decadence. I am as guilty as anyone else. My fortune is not dependent on having or not having the newest and bestest. If one was looking for an excuse to avoid Apple, there are far more "critical" things than criticising them for publishing memory specs like EVERY OTHER COMMERCIAL BUSINESS ON THE PLANET. But once we start, we discover that the competition is not really better, rather they have simply chosen a different set of things to like or bitch about. I really resent calling Apple or any other "legal" business "pure evil". Hitler, Ghaddafi, Jack the Ripper, Bernie Madoff aren't even pure "evil" and they got where they were by NOT allowing choice. Hi rowuk, I must say that I totally agree with your sentiments. I will also say that I choose to avoid apple products (so far ) because I consider them overpriced . However I just could not see where Dalethorn was coming from as it seemed to me that Apple would not try and get away with such a transparent scam that Dalethorn alleged. The explanation given in the link that I posted would seem to totally refute Dalethorn's claims but I await his response, perhaps he has taken into account the difference in decimal and binary measurement. It has nothing to do with decimal/binary. It's legitimate in hard disk computers as well as flash-memory devices to store the O/S in the stated memory, so if the O/S is 7 gb and the total space is 64 gb, then the remaining space is 57 gb less any other housekeeping etc. temporary space. BUT it's also possible to put the O/S on a separate chip, as has been done by some mfrs. (HP for example) so that the 7 gb isn't lost to the user. The average person who isn't already "conditioned" to accept the shackles on their arms and legs can simply look on the outside of the package ("64 gb") and then on the inside of their device ("57 gb") and see that indeed they're been deceived. Arguments that I'm wrong are misplaced. I have accepted being screwed by big corporations, as a condition of participating in our corporatist society. But the difference with me is, I don't feel I have to lie or cover up for the corporations to justify my acceptance of whatever I accept. EDIT: In addition to the above, Apple's "explanation" does not cover why they need to subtract a full 7 gb for the extra 64 gb in a 128 gb device. They don't need to store the O/S twice, and "formatted capacity" does not lessen 64 gb by 7 gb. "Formatted capacity" means your 64 gb is not 2^36 bytes, it's 64 billion bytes.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 20:23:07 GMT
Guys My original post was never intended to be turned into an Apple bashing thread. I was disappointed to see that major corporations are attempting to circumvent existing measures by law enforcement and national security to gain intelligence that helps to keep us safe. Unfortunately, the world is a very different place since 9/11 and we do need some reductions in personal freedom. Please keep politics, whether domestic or Corporation out of that new "spin off" thread in the Computer area of the forum.. This thread has IMO, become far too divisive, so should be considered to be closed.
Alex
|
|