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Post by clausdk on Oct 24, 2011 23:37:07 GMT
Hi sound "living" it the topearbud from Hisound The retail for about 150$, 150 for an earbud, you must be out of your mind to spend that kind of money for an Earbud... Well it is a reviewsample so I have not spend that much on it. So I have not completely lost my mind, yet.. that is how they look.. Metal and what look like a really nice and expensive cable.. First time I tried them right out of the box I was quite dissapointed in the sound, but remembered how hisound said I should give them 1000 HOURS of burnin, yeah right.. They were bordering to painfull in the highs and no bass Anyway I left them playing a couple of weeks time and after about 300 hours of burnin they are a total different beast, the bas is good and firm, not massive or bloated in anyway, but it is there and it is good, the highs have mellowed quite a bit and they are now clear and crisp, the midtone is even better, they excell at voices.. I have been fiddeling a bit with the fit and for baest result, I use the donut pads on top of the normal pad, to get a bit more padding and a bit tighter "seal", which has helped the bas a bit.. How good are they ?? I have never heard an earbud come even close to be near "Living" for the details and presentation, they have a sound stage like a pair of DT880 They even sound better than a pair of DT880 If I should compare them to another phone in signature it would be the 701 from AGK, but I like these better, 701 has always been to cold and sterile to me, but Living takes that signature and adds warmth and makes it all better.. They also loves amps, if proper amplified they can really deliver the goods.. They sound amazing from the Aune X1. You must remember this a frigging earbud.. But this earbud is in a leauge of it's own, they deliver soundquality on the level of the Beyer gang, Senn600/650, AKG 701 at least. Jack at Hisound told me they were better than HD800, but I had a hard time believing him, they were earbuds! They are not quite in the same league of the HD800, but they give the "old" toptiers a good and serious run for the money.. So if your ears can agree with this kind of headphone and you are willing to pay 150 $ for an EARBUD, you will be in for at treat, not the first 300 hours, but after that it's a smooth run..
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Post by proid on Oct 25, 2011 5:45:07 GMT
There are too many hypes in this forum, it's hard to believe now
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 6:27:21 GMT
Claus I agree with the previous poster. Are you 100% certain that your ears didn't just become used to them ? They would have to be something really special to outperform high quality normal headphones correctly driven by high quality amplification, especially given that it seems unlikely that small in ear headphones are physically able to perform well at 100HZ or lower. Alex
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Post by mrarroyo on Oct 25, 2011 8:13:45 GMT
I have the Yuin OK1 and had the Yuin PK1 earbuds, both sound fantastic and have their place in my listening stable. However, although very good they would not replace the full size cans (IMO).
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Post by clausdk on Oct 25, 2011 8:14:00 GMT
There are too many hypes in this forum, it's hard to believe now Hype ?? I am trying to inject some live to this forum, I have lots of crap phones, but writing about those, would be stupid and boring.. If that remark is for me I am truly offended..
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Post by clausdk on Oct 25, 2011 8:22:00 GMT
Claus I agree with the previous poster. Are you 100% certain that your ears didn't just become used to them ? They would have to be something really special to outperform high quality normal headphones correctly driven by high quality amplification, especially given that it seems unlikely that small in ear headphones are physically able to perform well at 100HZ or lower. Alex Hard to believe like the storys about certain rips to certain USBsticks ?? And you also agree on the hype thing ?? that is so dissapointing to read, we have know eachother for years, you should know me better, than to write that..
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Post by clausdk on Oct 25, 2011 8:30:03 GMT
I have the Yuin OK1 and had the Yuin PK1 earbuds, both sound fantastic and have their place in my listening stable. However, although very good they would not replace the full size cans (IMO). I also got the PK2, but these are a lot better, I remember getting the yuins some years ago, nobody believed that earbuds could sound so well, but they could and they can be even better.. Different phones does different things, so I do not think that any phone could replace any of your favorite phones
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Post by XTRProf on Oct 25, 2011 9:20:04 GMT
Hi guys, Please for variety sake what Claus had posted is relevant. For sure, I will not use one as what Alex had said. Let the choice be With The People And Only With The People.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 10:07:56 GMT
Claus The LF performance of headphones is very much governed by the size of the diaphragm. It's the same reason why mid range loudspeakers and woofers, need to be much bigger physically than say a 1" tweeter. I apologise for having offended you, but I was also offended by you calling a thread stupid and saying it should be removed. Even the best of friends do not agree on everything. Alex
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Post by mrarroyo on Oct 25, 2011 10:32:14 GMT
Actually the ear buds can sound amazing depending on how well they fit in your ear. Also since they do not block outside noises they should be used in quiet places. Claus the Yuin PK2 is nice sounding but both the PK1 and OK1 sound better as they should since they are quite a bit more expensive.
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Post by proid on Oct 25, 2011 12:18:53 GMT
@clausdk: if you said that the hi sound is better than pk1 or MX980, i can trust you but compare to fullsize headphone, earbud have it own limit, even at the same price, earbud is hardly better than a fullsize.
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Post by toad on Oct 25, 2011 14:51:26 GMT
@clausdk: if you said that the hi sound is better than pk1 or MX980, i can trust you but compare to fullsize headphone, earbud have it own limit, even at the same price, earbud is hardly better than a fullsize. Although you may well be right you can't state that they are hardly better than a fullsize when you haven't heard them. Until you have heard them you cannot have a proper opinion on their sound. Claus isn't prone to making snap judgements about headphones. If he says they are exceptional then they no doubt are. Are they better than full size cans? Claus thinks so so who am I to argue unless I've heard them? I do know my Amadana Pe-117s convinced me that ear buds can sound seriously impressive and with lots of good solid bass, not bloat.
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Post by proid on Oct 25, 2011 15:37:59 GMT
Sorry, i know it's just the matter of taste. It's just too good to be true.
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Post by clausdk on Oct 25, 2011 21:54:57 GMT
Claus The LF performance of headphones is very much governed by the size of the diaphragm. It's the same reason why mid range loudspeakers and woofers, need to be much bigger physically than say a 1" tweeter. I apologise for having offended you, but I was also offended by you calling a thread stupid and saying it should be removed. Even the best of friends do not agree on everything. Alex It is not just the size that matters, the size of the "room" also matters, an balanced armature is very very small, but can deliver one heck of a bass punch.. Why should the membranen not be able to move slowly (ie play bas notes) ??
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Post by clausdk on Oct 25, 2011 22:19:02 GMT
@clausdk: if you said that the hi sound is better than pk1 or MX980, i can trust you but compare to fullsize headphone, earbud have it own limit, even at the same price, earbud is hardly better than a fullsize. I am also quite surpriced of how well they deliver the goods.. Why should there be a limit to how good an earbud can sound ?? The sky is the limit. To good to be true ?? Again why ?? I kind of let my own surprice shine through in my first post, it is a friggin earbud, but they sound much bigger and better than I ever imagined could be possible.. They do take a long time to burnin, my was in a drawer for 2 weeks playing, but then they became good, if the 1000 hours is true I look forward to listen to them in a years time or so.. Also the fit is very important, they need to be placed just right to be at their best, it is sometime very frustrating, because that kind of phones tend to move a bit and then I need to replace them, it has gotten a lot better with the double cussion..
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Post by clausdk on Oct 25, 2011 23:14:10 GMT
Sound is waves, The membrane makes waves in the air, the ear collect the waves our brain makes sound..
So if a membrane is capable to move back and forth 78 times/second it will produce a 78hz,wave that is bas, in a big room you need a big suface, because bassnotes does not have as much energy in them as the higher notes.. So to make a bass line in a big room you need to move a lot of air. The amount of air that has to be moved gets smaller, when the volume of the room goes down.
from the driver in an earbud to the eardrum is not far and we have a very small amount of air to be moved so the bass notes can reach the ear before they loose their energy..
try calculate the membrane in mm2/room in liters for a normal stereo a full sice headphone an earbud an IEM
My new customs has the depest bass in any phone I have listen to and the surface area of those armatures are very very small, but the room is only 2-3 drops big..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 23:47:24 GMT
Claus The above is incorrect. Bass notes often have VERY high levels as can be seen in any Sound editing program. Drums in particular,often have their waveforms clipped/ compressed because of this. High frequencies are normally WAY down in level compared with midrange. This can clearly be seen in any Sound program's "Spectral Analysis" I am not going to get into a shitfight with you over this, but if IEMs were so good and accurate then they would use them in most recording studios instead of monitor speakers and headphones. Many HAs are simply not capable of properly meeting the demands of some IEMs which are often quite low impedance. However, if they float your boat, then enjoy them. Alex P.S. I would be very wary of direct coupling into the ear canals for extended listening sessions. To quote an old phrase, with a slight change. " DEAF is so permanent.
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Post by toad on Oct 26, 2011 9:42:34 GMT
Claus I agree with the previous poster. Are you 100% certain that your ears didn't just become used to them ? They would have to be something really special to outperform high quality normal headphones correctly driven by high quality amplification, especially given that it seems unlikely that small in ear headphones are physically able to perform well at 100HZ or lower. Alex Alex I don't often disagree with you but to say it's unlikely that small in ear headphones are physically able to perform well at 100Hz or lower demonstrates to me that you've probably never heard a decent pair of ear buds or IEMs My Amadana PE-117s are amazing sound quality. They're not far short of my full size cans. Unfortunately I'm not a fan of ear buds as I find them uncomfortble for all but the shortest of listening sessions. If it wasn't for that I'd wear them a lot more often. They produce a sound stage better than my PX100s and Koss porta pros and easily rival them for sound quality. Ian That's why I don't discount Claus' observations of the Hi Sounds
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2011 10:04:00 GMT
Ian I stand corrected. IEMs may have imnproved dramatically in recent years, most likely due to vast improvements with rare earth magnets. Alex
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Post by mrarroyo on Oct 26, 2011 10:56:51 GMT
Not only have they improved but they have gotten real expensive as well. A three driver IEM w/ crossover is about $350 USD and a form fitting one can rise to $2,000 USD. Crazy prices for a crazier world!
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Post by toad on Oct 26, 2011 11:21:32 GMT
$2000? OMG
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Post by clausdk on Oct 26, 2011 22:17:38 GMT
My spiral ears reference 5 was only 1000€ + shipping, impressions, etc.
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Post by mrarroyo on Oct 27, 2011 10:40:00 GMT
About $1,400 USD, you did not spend enough! Go and buy a 2nd unit.
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Post by clausdk on Oct 27, 2011 22:34:44 GMT
Is that an order sir ?? As I said mine were cheap
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Post by mrarroyo on Oct 27, 2011 23:51:47 GMT
Just an strong recommendation.
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