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Post by jc on May 28, 2014 10:53:48 GMT
Anyone still using Win XP out of preference or have older machines that may be a little clunky with Win7 or higher, it now is possible to get extended support for apparently 5 more years! Windows Embedded Industry hack
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Post by bullpup on Aug 15, 2014 13:41:20 GMT
Good tip - has anyone tried it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 19:13:25 GMT
No - I gave in and paid for Win 8.1. Having said that I am finding win 8 not all bad for home studio / recording. Much beter than win 7 on my laptop.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Aug 15, 2014 21:25:43 GMT
No - I gave in and paid for Win 8.1. Having said that I am finding win 8 not all bad for home studio / recording. Much beter than win 7 on my laptop. D. It seems quite stable with middle of the road "Derek does the Carpenters" type stuff but tends to do a wobbly when the going gets a bit heavier
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Post by PinkFloyd on Aug 15, 2014 21:29:57 GMT
Good tip - has anyone tried it? If anyone had tried it they would have mentioned it. I'm off to try it now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 21:40:02 GMT
Anyone still using Win XP out of preference or have older machines that may be a little clunky with Win7 or higher, it now is possible to get extended support for apparently 5 more years! Windows Embedded Industry hackAnybody who still uses XP on an older machine is not only limiting the use of ,more modern software, but also running on borrowed time for their HDDs , PSU electros etc. I am now getting occasional W8 messages about correcting errors at start up on a HDD recovered from my previous old PC. It's clearly time to replace it, as HDDs WILL fail. Alex
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 3:35:46 GMT
The difference between Win98 and WinXP (or any of WinNT, Win2000, WinXP) was like the difference between being slapped on the face and being slightly strangled.
The difference between WinXP and Windows 8 is like the difference between having a hand on your neck and having a fist up your, ummm, exit facility.
From a purely audio or entertainment perspective Win8 is probably the best, but from the standpoint of managing files and the computer itself, it's ghastly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 6:30:41 GMT
The difference between Win98 and WinXP (or any of WinNT, Win2000, WinXP) was like the difference between being slapped on the face and being slightly strangled. The difference between WinXP and Windows 8 is like the difference between having a hand on your neck and having a fist up your, ummm, exit facility. From a purely audio or entertainment perspective Win8 is probably the best, but from the standpoint of managing files and the computer itself, it's ghastly. Hi Dale You need to remember that what OS doesn't suit one person may be far better for another person. Win 8 and Win 7 have a far greater range of compatible programs than other OS's for uses like mine. My Desktop programs are likely to be vastly different to your requirements.
Regards Alex
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 7:53:11 GMT
No - I gave in and paid for Win 8.1. Having said that I am finding win 8 not all bad for home studio / recording. Much beter than win 7 on my laptop. D. It seems quite stable with middle of the road "Derek does the Carpenters" type stuff but tends to do a wobbly when the going gets a bit heavier "Derek does the Carpenters"? Now there's an idea. Since moving to W8.1 I got error messages from an HDD I'd been using for ages up until then with no problems. Is W8 more fussy in some way? Eventually I backed the disc's contents and unplugged it; too much bother. I'm not getting to grips quickly with W8.1. Not through lack of ability or understanding, but I seem to be learning just enough to do what I need to do. After so many years of OS changes, from MSDOS/DRDOS, GEM, and then my journey through Windows 3, 95, 98, XP, 7 and now 8... I've simply run out of steam. But at least W8 means I can record without the latency issues that I have with W7 on my laptop, but never had with XP on my desktop machine.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 9:12:18 GMT
Hi Derek
I am not so sure that W8 is more fussy, as this has only happened in the last couple of weeks, and the HDD in question has been there since February last year after removal from the previous PC.
Regards Alex
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Post by bullpup on Aug 16, 2014 16:17:06 GMT
The issue really for a lot of users is that we don't want to be forced to change our hardware for the sake of it...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 22:21:30 GMT
The issue really for a lot of users is that we don't want to be forced to change our hardware for the sake of it... I hope you have adequate backups for your important documents and music files, because HDDs WILL start failing typically around several years of regular use. Apparently, only 50% of hard drives will survive until their sixth birthday.
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Post by bullpup on Aug 17, 2014 12:30:41 GMT
Thanks for that.
So I am in the situation that by the time I replaced my hard drives, memory and os, I may as well buy a new pc?!
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Post by jc on Aug 17, 2014 12:43:18 GMT
Probably so! You'll end up with a vastly superior machine too. I updated my 10 year old laptop to XP-ult. from XP-pro and it still works very well. However, it was straining under the load of programmes requiring processer speed and large amounts of RAM. Multi-tasking was also becoming a problem with the poor little thing crashing from time to time under the effort. As my need for a laptop is vastly diminisihed these days I replaced it as my main PC with a nice new desktop with Win8.1. Very happy with that and it flashes through tasks that the lappy nearly choked on!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 22:28:22 GMT
Thanks for that. So I am in the situation that by the time I replaced my hard drives, memory and os, I may as well buy a new pc?! Don't forget that modern SMPS PSUs are quieter both physically and electrically too, with larger fans running slower, and often speed controlled too according to demand. They usually have improved specifications too, and don't forget that the main electrolytic capacitor in the PSU , due to long term exposure to heat will have seen better days. How often do people remember to clean the PSU fan blades, and they will also become noisier and perhaps eventually fail.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 22:47:50 GMT
The most important job of an O/S, aside from providing the usual services to the computer owner, is to protect the computer owner from those who would attack his computer, and those who would spy on his computer to steal his data.
Win95 and Win98 were true Personal Computer O/S's, designed from the ground up to protect the individual from these malicious entities.
WinNT/2000/XP/7/8 are Corporate O/S's, designed from the ground up to protect the corporation from YOU.
But since hundreds of millions of your fellow "users" don't know and don't care about any of this, you have ended up as a serf on the global plantation, from a computer perspective. The real will also follow the virtual unfortunately.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 7:36:18 GMT
As operating systems develop we expect to see improvements 'under the hood' in that things run better and faster and one's PC is more secure in an ever more malevolent environment. But, unfortunately, other stuff gets 'improved' too, giving us stuff we don't need - like the funny new screen in Win 8.
So I am thinking from the start here. How would I like my OS interface to be?
I would like 3 main ways to talk with my computer.
1, I'd like a files-based portal so I can find my accounts, my photos, music etc. I would need to be able to move files around too, deleting what I don't need, making backups and so on. I click on a file and voila! The appropriate software loads up and away we go.
2. I'd like a program-centric facility. I know, for example, that I am going to create a new spreadsheet.. so I bring up my display of programs, click on Open Office Calc.. and 'ting!'... up comes Open Office and we're off and running.
3. Finally I need to get to the innards of the machine to tweek memory settings, change display options, set up new gadgets and so on.
It follows then that I need something I'd call a 'Program Manager', a 'File Manager' and something not inlike the current 'Control Panel'
That's all I'd need.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 15:37:04 GMT
As operating systems develop we expect to see improvements 'under the hood' in that things run better and faster and one's PC is more secure in an ever more malevolent environment. But, unfortunately, other stuff gets 'improved' too, giving us stuff we don't need - like the funny new screen in Win 8. So I am thinking from the start here. How would I like my OS interface to be? I would like 3 main ways to talk with my computer. 1, I'd like a files-based portal so I can find my accounts, my photos, music etc. I would need to be able to move files around too, deleting what I don't need, making backups and so on. I click on a file and voila! The appropriate software loads up and away we go. 2. I'd like a program-centric facility. I know, for example, that I am going to create a new spreadsheet.. so I bring up my display of programs, click on Open Office Calc.. and 'ting!'... up comes Open Office and we're off and running. 3. Finally I need to get to the innards of the machine to tweek memory settings, change display options, set up new gadgets and so on. It follows then that I need something I'd call a 'Program Manager', a 'File Manager' and something not inlike the current 'Control Panel' That's all I'd need. Derek In today's world of the corporate O/S, all of those things have to be made subservient to the security layers. As time goes on you will find lots of problems with moving your files around ad-hoc to meet your particular needs, because those things are considered "suspicious" by the security layers. You may have the option, getting to the innards of the computer, to turn off some levels of file security so you can do more of what you want, but those options are gradually disappearing for users like you, because of the threat to other users on the "public network", i.e. the Internet. And tweaking settings? Yes and no. Security is moving in on that too. People who have years (decades) of computer experience may find this foreign, but they have to look at the big picture - that terrorists are everywhere and they poke into everything, so whatever you do while connected** to the Internet had better look "normal" to the authorities. **Now don't laugh, but there will come a time in the near future when having a computer that's not connected and approved for security will be considered very suspicious, and subject to seizure if the authorities learn of it.
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Post by rowuk on Aug 18, 2014 16:04:03 GMT
........... People who have years (decades) of computer experience may find this foreign, but they have to look at the big picture - that terrorists are everywhere and they poke into everything, so whatever you do while connected** to the Internet had better look "normal" to the authorities. **Now don't laugh, but there will come a time in the near future when having a computer that's not connected and approved for security will be considered very suspicious, and subject to seizure if the authorities learn of it. Those days are here already. Apply for a job in the US and you will be asked to disclose your user name for Facebook and Twitter. Don't have one? You won't get the job. Are you 14 years old and have no trace to a porn site - could be a profile problem........ I tried the imbedded update. It works - or at least the system did not crap out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 8:12:07 GMT
.... I would like 3 main ways to talk with my computer. 1, I'd like a files-based portal so I can find my accounts, my photos, music etc. I would need to be able to move files around too, deleting what I don't need, making backups and so on. I click on a file and voila! The appropriate software loads up and away we go. 2. I'd like a program-centric facility. I know, for example, that I am going to create a new spreadsheet.. so I bring up my display of programs, click on Open Office Calc.. and 'ting!'... up comes Open Office and we're off and running. 3. Finally I need to get to the innards of the machine to tweek memory settings, change display options, set up new gadgets and so on. It follows then that I need something I'd call a 'Program Manager', a 'File Manager' and something not inlike the current 'Control Panel' That's all I'd need. Derek What I , of course, meant was Windows 3.1 was so simple to use.
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