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Post by oldson on Dec 31, 2012 20:06:48 GMT
basically what is their worth? opinions please
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2012 21:35:15 GMT
They can be useful for early recordings where extreme left/right recordings happened. It also depends on how it's implemented though since it can shrink the soundstage. I had a spectacular one once made by Jan Meier. It really worked well imo but he stopped making them which is a great pity. I gave mine away. (What an idiot)
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Post by PinkFloyd on Dec 31, 2012 21:37:43 GMT
Didn't I make a basic one for you Ian?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2012 21:48:59 GMT
Didn't I make a basic one for you Ian? You certainly did, Mike, but I don't want to cause an avalanche!!!
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Post by oldson on Dec 31, 2012 22:14:33 GMT
They can be useful for early recordings where extreme left/right recordings happened. It also depends on how it's implemented though since it can shrink the soundstage. I had a spectacular one once made by Jan Meier. It really worked well imo but he stopped making them which is a great pity. I gave mine away. (What an idiot) i am mulling over the idea of getting another dac to compare to my current unit. trouble is i would lose the crossfeed filter built in to my current dac, so would it be a fair comparison? i can switch the crossfeed on/off at the moment but i find the difference marginal. i thought the crossfeed would expand the soundstage, not shrink it!?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2012 22:20:13 GMT
A Crossfeed reduces channel separation, and therefore reduces soundstage. Do we REALLY need Crossfeed with modern recordings ? The type of music that would benefit most would be some of the earlier Beatles recordings with their extreme channel separation.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Dec 31, 2012 22:38:50 GMT
Basically, crossfeed throws the soundstage FORWARD out of your head a few inches..... it's not as left right centre as it is without crossfeed. It kind of compresses the image and throws it forward into more of a "loudspeaker" type of presentation, ie: if you are seriously stoned, and in the zone, you will think the band is playing 6 inches from your face in a nice little "intimate" place in space.
If you are not tuned in or stoned then just use crossfeed for crazy early stereo recordings such as some of the Beatles stuff.... it makes it less left right centre and kinda presents a more natural soundstage / headstage.
Having said that, it's quite enjoyable listening to the extreme stereo recordings "as is"..... crossfeed gives you the choice of both.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2012 23:01:56 GMT
I think it depends on your sensitivity to spacial imaging on headphones. I struggle with it and have to really concentrate in order to get it clearly. (or get slightly pissed!!)
The crossfeed puts the music kind of in front of your face and the extremes become less 'extreme' so in effect, the soundstage shrinks.
Actually, Mike's description is what I get!!
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Post by PinkFloyd on Dec 31, 2012 23:09:56 GMT
Into more of an "outside" into the head type presentation.... almost like a mini soundstage parked 6 inches in front of your head.
We are all taught to read in black and white.... if you can read in white and black then you will TRULY get crossfeed... it's all about seeing beyond your own Scotoma, or mental blind spot, and learning how to think in white and black ........
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Post by oldson on Jan 6, 2013 18:24:34 GMT
would it be right to expect the effects of crossfeed to be less when using open back headphones, as their soundstage is usually bigger?
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Post by punkjr on Feb 11, 2013 20:58:04 GMT
I use a software solution -Isone. I am impressed to say the least. It reduced listening fatigue, and takes away the unnatural separation that is inherent in all headphones. It's a must have for me.
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Post by chris1967 on Feb 12, 2013 21:34:34 GMT
Into more of an "outside" into the head type presentation.... almost like a mini soundstage parked 6 inches in front of your head. We are all taught to read in black and white.... if you can read in white and black then you will TRULY get crossfeed... it's all about seeing beyond your own Scotoma, or mental blind spot, and learning how to think in white and black ........ Very nice Greek word there Mike... comes from the ancient Greek word "sk(c)otos" = darkness, a place you can not see... To be OT though... my personal experience with digital crossfeeds, is that i dont like them and i dont use them... i listen to mosly new (newer) recordings thorugh headphones and i do not find them necessary... This projection when using them feels weird... not natural imo...
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Post by oldson on Feb 13, 2013 20:52:59 GMT
at least on my stagedac, you can tweak the intensity. the flip side of this , sometimes i am constantly tweaking.
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