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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 0:08:10 GMT
As XTRProf suggested, my humble self will attempt to build a Classical Music thread for all to see and add to. My free time allows me to present one cd title, single or box set, per week. If this Thread should be moved elsewhere on this site, please do and post the move location please.
Okay...This is a major value pick as well as one of the great sounding cd collections....
"The Freiburger Barockorchester Edition"....10 cd collection of Baroque Music, on the deutsche harmonia mundi (non caps their label) label, part of the Sony Music family. Made in the EU.
This is available in the States on various retail outlet sites for $25 or so +or- a buck or two.
CD's include composer's: Locatelli, J.S. Bach, C.P.E. Bach, Purcell, Telemann, Zelenka, Pisendell, Biber, Handel, Schmelzer, Vivaldi, and Zavateri. All music composed during the 1600's and 1700's.
I have owned the Zavateri cd and the C.P.E. Bach cd before buying this wonderful value pak, but don't mind having a back up of those 3 (2 Zavateri and one C.P.E. Bach).
This is music that has energy a plenty, a surprising amount of drive and at times furious playing by excellent musicians. The instruments are replayed in a very convincing sound stage and timbre, attack and decay are excellent. These are great sounding renditions.
So, for about $25....a large, great sounding cd set of some familiar Baroque composers and some new to me...and that is a great combination! J
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 12:59:36 GMT
A thread about classical music might grow huge and could be better in sections. Baroque/Classical/Romantic/Modern/Experimental and then into categories like Orchestral/Vocal.
The only reason I say is because I do check the 'I'm Currently Listening to' thread for recommendations etc and it's so huge now that it's difficult to use.
One nice baroque recording that I like is Bach's Brandenburg Concertos by Concerto Italiano.
The whole lot in one package and some lovely playing and occasional surprising tempos, but a treat to listen to. Makes a change from the usual suspects.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 23:26:38 GMT
Yes, Rabbit....whatever the group would like to put together for classical, pop, rock music, new flamenco (one of my fav's), electronica, etc.
Although I'll probably be adding a lot of classical titles here, I am desirous of learning from others, the titles, orchestras, conductors, etc., those that I've not heard of or have seen info on, but haven't made a move yet to buy into. It'll be a learning lesson for me.
If one lives in the States and has access to "Music Choice" on cable TV or subscribes to their website downloads....their "Light Classical" channel is wondrous. Short in duration type pieces, segments of larger ones, but complete within their parameters. I've found a lot of titles and orchestras that have lead to more...and on, and on.
And, Rabbit, I'll definitely look up "Concerto Italiano". Try the "Il Giardino Armonico" group, yourself. If they were track and field, they'd be the sprinter at the end of the relay....J
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 23:41:51 GMT
I'll take a look at that 'Light Classical' download site, if I can find it. I'm not into 'heavy' classical generally but a couple of pieces I do like are Weber's Clarinet Concerto (in F Minor IIRC ), perhaps played by De Peyer and Tchaikovsky's Capriccio Italiano, both of which I'd describe as light classics. If you're not aware of them take a listen. Dave.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 0:53:42 GMT
When I was a young man (15 years old) and starting my first job at a grocery store (1964)...bagging and sorting returned pop bottles...I used to gear myself up with the Capriccio Italien by Carmen Dragon and Hollywood Bowl Symphony Orchestra, from an LP titled "I like Tchaikovsky", which I found again on Ebay, and bought, of course. Dragon was known as a flamboyant interpreter of classical music, and this version just winds up, takes off, and flies to the end! 'Course, by the time I got to work, I still hated what I was about to do for 8 hours....BTW, Carmen Dragon is the father of the "Captain" of Captain and Tenille fame.
And I don't have any of Weber's music, although the Music Choice Classical channels do play his music and I am always caught in a "who's that by?" kind of mind set. And, it's invariably Weber. Beautiful music, though I don't know the title you mention, but will look it up, for sure....thanks Dave. J
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 1:09:37 GMT
One other piece of Classical music I HAVE TO dig into is Ketelbey's "In a Persian Market". It has one of the most beautiful refrains (like that Rabbit?) to be heard...kind of like what the Russian composers put in their symphonies somewhere. Then there's the group sing that goes with it. It's very effective. J
Saint-Saens Piano Concerto #5 has a melody kind of like "In a Persian Market's" refrain. And it's from 1835....? Just heard it on the cable tv Music Choice Light Classical Channel, while writing the above Ketelbey note....J
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 16:14:18 GMT
I should add that the Music Choice website, as far as I can make out, is a "streaming music" site and may or may not have downloads. Meaning, one should be able to stream their playlist whilst it is being broadcast if one's service provider is on their list. As far as I know...J
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 17:52:48 GMT
FWIW I can confirm that the web site you refer to is not available in the UK I don't think. Trying to log on leads you to a page that states that it is not available in your location unless your ISP is listed below and the list below contains the grand total of zero ISPs ;D - for me anyway . Dave.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2012 19:44:03 GMT
On a very quick look through it seems that you need to receive the TV channel on your cable/satt service before you can stream to your computer?
Basically it is a pay for service add-on. If you already have the channel it is foc but if not tough do-do.
Most of europe is covered but I did not see the UK on the list of possibilities....
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Post by XTRProf on Dec 17, 2012 2:21:32 GMT
Great now RG have expanded with classical variety too. Excellent! As Ian had written it must be catalogued and in table like what I had written earlier or else it will be "lost". Thanks Johnsan for the classical contribution here at RG.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2012 9:01:44 GMT
It's probably more important to get it into 'folders' since Historical music doesn't go out of date so it can become quite a reference.
Mind you, there is no ONE recording of anything I'd say that's the one. They're all just 'different'.
That's the other thing - how many recordings of say, Bach's Brandenburgs opposed to how many recordings of 'Wish you Were Here'?
It could soon become quite complex!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2012 5:06:49 GMT
Okay then....fellow RG'ers, how do we go about structuring these music threads?
Maybe we need to brainstorm some ideas....no matter what we come up with individually in a brainstorming session...all will be considered...then the more effective strategies can be agreed upon and a coherent structure ensues. Maybe we start with Classical music categories, as Rabbit suggested...list them, chronologically. Also, not many composers straddle these Classical music categories, so start with the known Classical periods. "Music Appreciation" class was soooooo long ago...I'll go look it up and return enlightened....J
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2012 5:15:13 GMT
FWIW I can confirm that the web site you refer to is not available in the UK I don't think.
Right, Music Choice is limited to some areas. One music streaming site I've used/listened to for quite a while and includes a few Classical periods, is Accuradio (accu-radio).com. Music is streamed and one can fast forward to the next selection (ad infinitum) and there is a commercial nowadays every few selections. The volume can be adjusted on the site and I believe selections are streamed at 320bps....which ain't too bad. And it's free, except for the odd commercial. I like their ambient/chill/lounge type section. J
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2012 17:36:09 GMT
Baroque Classical Romantic Modern
Orchestral/Insrumental and Vocal being sub categories in each?
Just had a look and I don't think I can create sub categories within a sub category, so how about just the four historic periods?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2012 18:03:41 GMT
Rabbit....we may need to go beyond the big 4....Baroque, Classical, Romantic, Modern...to include Renaissance before Baroque, and Contemporary, which would take us to the present although a smaller category. William Byrd, Monteverdi, Thomas Tallis, all in the Renaissance era, I think, should have their own breakout category, if not only for their beautiful sounding music, but also for their contribution to the composers future to them. 6 categories would be quite inclusive and give us some room to differentiate the early composers. More room to maneuver, if you would.
But, that would be a great start....alphabetizing by last name would help, too...or by 10 year increments within a category. Not a sub folder, but some type of breakdown within the folder???
What do you and RG as a group, think? J
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2012 21:32:22 GMT
There could be a Rennaisance section but I fear most people here aren't listeners to most of the early stuff. I don't think I could break the sub folders into any more so everything would end up mixed in each folder. Also, I'm not certain how many here are able to contribute in all honesty. There's yourself, I could and probably Imagemaker 'cos we're both professors!! I still work and Israel has retired.... but others are really going to end up as readers rather than contributors. Rock and hi fi are much more prevalent here. Ultimately, it would be Mike's decision to open another area although both Alex and myself can implement it as 'admin'. Chong might have some ideas too but only if they're hi rezzzzz!!! (He can be a bit snooty.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2012 22:12:54 GMT
I have no wish to rain on anybody's parade but I'm sure Ian is right. IMO there is no immediate need, and there would be little support, for a detailed Classical music area. I'm sure there is interest but that interest, IMO, is one more of being advised by others rather than passing on their advice (put very clumsily but you know what I mean ) By all means go ahead with a basic four section one as outlined above but I suspect regular posters will be very few, but with many more viewers. IMO it would be the best place to start. Dave.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2012 22:22:05 GMT
I think Ian is right on the number of contributors. There is an enormous stack of classical that I like when I hear it but have no idea who wrote it, far less which recording/rendition it may have been. Would it be easier to approach the idea from a recommendations angle? Your personal favourites amoungst the the "big four" catagories, if a particular recording is important then that can obviously be stated as well. Johnsan started off with the great idea of a economic box set that introduces a genre. This can also be done for a composer. Over time people, like myself, would get a feel for what's what and who's who. We then then look further into ones that grab our fancy and contribute back when we find our own personal diamonds. What sayeth thee?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2012 22:38:48 GMT
Hi Ian Unfortunately that would be likely to be the case. Recommendations from experienced listeners, with detailed information about why they are so special, could be a good way for some to dip their toes into Classical waters though. I would never have got to listen to your LPO Mahler CD set many times over, if you hadn't been so knowledgable about the subject. Israel was obviously very impressed by this particular recording too. Kind Regards Alex P.S. Why not send "Elvis" a PM and see if he has any Classical favourites that he recommends? I don't know if he is into Classical, but I imagine that he likes great performances in all genres.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2012 22:46:15 GMT
I reckon Alex has been on the 'pop' early today ;D . Dave.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2012 22:51:56 GMT
I reckon Alex has been on the 'pop' early today ;D . Dave. Oh well. I guess it's time for that wake up coffee! Ian knows exactly who I am referring to though. Just the most talented of all the Recording and Mastering Engineers, and a damn nice guy too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2012 23:06:09 GMT
Ah, you meant "Elvis" not Elvis - all clear now .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2012 23:11:46 GMT
Start small...then.
But, what I would like to see, if I may....is a sort of listing section...without additional comment outside of the poster. Then a comment section, separate of the listing section. That would avoid cluttering up and confusing the recommendations and help to filter out a huge thread of personal commentary from the listing. I guess I'm for seeing a chance to learn of new orchestras and conductors from a listing, with comments correlating to such, in another thread. Possible?
I know that I am intimidated somewhat by technical speak, especially since it is not intended for one of none or limited exposure to circuit topology. But, having an end thread, about the music these esoteric circuits bring forth (still amazes me), might just bring more headphone aficionados into the RG family because of the "hot button" of "the music"...being discussed. I mean...to hear the dissemination that headphones are excellent at, to full blown orchestrations or to the quartets, or, and especially for me, piano. One just cannot, for the outlay ($), get this presentation from a speaker based system. So, listing of and separate discussion threads of Classical may just bring in some contributors and commentators that have purchased their rigs to listen through and not really to take apart and see how they work. A music appreciation section....if you will.
I'm just brainstorming here...take what you want from it...or nada.
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Post by ronzo56 on Dec 22, 2012 20:04:13 GMT
As XTRProf suggested, my humble self will attempt to build a Classical Music thread for all to see and add to. My free time allows me to present one cd title, single or box set, per week. If this Thread should be moved elsewhere on this site, please do and post the move location please. Okay...This is a major value pick as well as one of the great sounding cd collections.... "The Freiburger Barockorchester Edition"....10 cd collection of Baroque Music, on the deutsche harmonia mundi (non caps their label) label, part of the Sony Music family. Made in the EU. This is available in the States on various retail outlet sites for $25 or so +or- a buck or two. CD's include composer's: Locatelli, J.S. Bach, C.P.E. Bach, Purcell, Telemann, Zelenka, Pisendell, Biber, Handel, Schmelzer, Vivaldi, and Zavateri. All music composed during the 1600's and 1700's. I have owned the Zavateri cd and the C.P.E. Bach cd before buying this wonderful value pak, but don't mind having a back up of those 3 (2 Zavateri and one C.P.E. Bach). This is music that has energy a plenty, a surprising amount of drive and at times furious playing by excellent musicians. The instruments are replayed in a very convincing sound stage and timbre, attack and decay are excellent. These are great sounding renditions. So, for about $25....a large, great sounding cd set of some familiar Baroque composers and some new to me...and that is a great combination! J Hi johnsan, Just received The Freiburger Barockorchester Edition ($22 USD; great bargain). I just put disc 4 in the player after playing the first 3 straight through. I might go for the entire 10! So far just fantastic. Wonderfully recorded, nicely performed. Thanks, great find and I second this recommendation. Cheers, Ron
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2012 21:14:53 GMT
The funny thing is, that language can help the appreciation of historical music in particular. Many guys here cotton on fast as well.
If you are listening to Bach, for instance - some technical things to listen out for are:
The continuo = a bass part with a keyboard part. A great deal of Baroque music uses a harpsichord and say a 'cello as the root of everything. It never stops - hence - continuo. It will be there in Bach's music. They improvised on the harpsichord from what is called 'figured bass' = sets of numbers to work out or 'figure' the chords. The harpsichord player is, in effect, improvising (like jazz) with a different set of rules!!
Ritornello = something that keeps returning and being played like a 'hook' line. (As in Vivaldi's Seasons)
Pedal = a bass note that is held for a long time while the chords are changed above, sometimes causing a clash in the harmony.
Polyphony = Baroque composers wrote more in terms of melodies rather than chords so their music is more linear; not based on chords. It can cause unusual harmonies. (especially with Bach)
Stepped dynamics = no crescendos and diminuendos (slowly getting louder and softer). Composers hadn't invented it in those days so music tended to get suddenly loud and soft rather than do build ups.
The high screaming Bach trumpet is an enigma. We're not exactly sure how they did that. The trumpets (and all brass) had no valves. They were just plain tubes.
Types of music that existed - Opera, Oratorio, Concerto Grosso and Concerto solo, sinfonias.
There are a multitude of things to listen out for that many wouldn't be aware of in these forums.
It's surprising how members pick up on the language and get a lot of enjoyment from hearing and learning what they are hearing.
I did a similar thing with most of YELLO's albums and many people seemed to enjoy the tech bits and listening out for them.
Trouble with historical music is that if you don't have a basic knowledge of the tech stuff, then recommendations can be weird; especially when a recording appears where the players play 'out of style' and non musos wouldn't know, if you see what I mean. Remember the old 'pop' versions of Mozart? (yuk) If people don't know better, they'll recommend odd recordings!!
Or recordings that they've read about in a magazine.
I think historical music is a whole can of worms since there are so many versions of the same pieces and for me personally, it is important that the performers follow a certain set of criteria according to exactly what they're playing. That's what intimidates so many people.
I'll have a think about it.....
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