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Post by XTRProf on Oct 20, 2012 1:44:33 GMT
Maybe it's time to try some Vinyl Ripping. So any good PC soundcard with ADC of up to 384-32/24 out yet? Yeah, not making the full 384-32/24 (but future proof) yet as will be using Audacity. Btw, anything better than Audacity?
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Post by Crispy on Oct 20, 2012 11:02:14 GMT
Maybe it's time to try some Vinyl Ripping. So any good PC soundcard with ADC of up to 384-32/24 out yet? Yeah, not making the full 384-32/24 (but future proof) yet as will be using Audacity. Btw, anything better than Audacity? Thanks. Chong, I use Adobe Audition which used to be Cool Edit pro. You can do just about anything with it? PM me if you want a copy to try. Chris
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Post by XTRProf on Oct 20, 2012 16:39:59 GMT
PM sent. Btw, that's only the software side, right? Just like the Audacity. We need the computer ADC card too for 384-32/24 and below processing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2012 17:47:42 GMT
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Post by XTRProf on Oct 21, 2012 0:01:06 GMT
Thanks Javier. Now only Talk Talk when price is not right. Eventually, the price will come down. That's what good forums are for. To share our dreams and ideas even when not appropriate. Anyway, I'm not surprise the better commercials are going towards 32 bits music files. The Foobar and JRiver can decode? Thanks again. Btw, how's Amanero going towards DSD decoding with the DSD1792?
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Post by XTRProf on Oct 21, 2012 0:08:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2012 0:10:02 GMT
Hi Chong, Audacity is what I have used to rip some of my vinyl I'm slowly working my way through the collection. Both of my sons are so impressed with the results that they are pressuring me to get started on their stuff too. Don't think I've enough hours left to even dent what the eldest boy has.
Despite what software writers claim with regard to cleaning up your ripped Vinyl as soon as you run it through any noise reducing software you are degrading the recording. I would seriously recommend to you................... play your good Vinyl as any serious "Vinyl Nut" would..... send it into a quality phono preamp.............SandyK and from there to a decent sound card..........Asus use Audacity to capture the cards output........ use fade in on the first few seconds of each track and fade out at the end to kill the surface noise at start and finish and give you a nice start and end to your recording....... Export as a WAVE FILE at Audacity's default rate 96/32 If you have any vinyl with the odd click remove manually any more serious noise and you have a crap disc either put up with the noise or junk it. You've heard my digitised vinyl via that system and know what it sounds like. There you are just my tuppence worth. Remember AUDACITY is free....no cost....zilch, and does a great job. Regards, Alan
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Post by XTRProf on Oct 21, 2012 0:16:12 GMT
NeedleDoctor lists it for $2500.
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Post by XTRProf on Oct 21, 2012 0:39:01 GMT
Audacity is what I have used to rip some of my vinyl I'm slowly working my way through the collection. Both of my sons are so impressed with the results that they are pressuring me to get started on their stuff too. Don't think I've enough hours left to even dent what the eldest boy has. Despite what software writers claim with regard to cleaning up your ripped Vinyl as soon as you run it through any noise reducing software you are degrading the recording. I would seriously recommend to you................... play your good Vinyl as any serious "Vinyl Nut" would..... send it into a quality phono preamp.............SandyK and from there to a decent sound card..........Asus use Audacity to capture the cards output........ use fade in on the first few seconds of each track and fade out at the end to kill the surface noise at start and finish and give you a nice start and end to your recording....... Export as a WAVE FILE at Audacity's default rate 96/32 If you have any vinyl with the odd click remove manually any more serious noise and you have a crap disc either put up with the noise or junk it. You've heard my digitised vinyl via that system and know what it sounds like. There you are just my tuppence worth. Remember AUDACITY is free....no cost....zilch, and does a great job. Regards, Alan Yes, I will try the Audacity with my on board soundcards in the desktop and laptop until I have a better hardware interface. At least can do 96-24 when not expecting too much. The Audacity is very well reviewed and a favourite amongst vinyl rippers as it's free. Need to have a software client to do the job no matter which approachs. I think Audition can also do the job according to Chris Snr. If interested just PM him. So for you can also try and find out. Btw, is it true the Audacity can do > 96-24? Limited by only what the soundcard ADC can do? How do we connect? Phono amp (after RIAA) to microphone on the soundcard? Only way it seems as nothing of lower sensitivity on those present cards for my case. Yes, your rip is indeed very good sounding. I'm satisfy if I can do that with whatever I have now in both my computers. And you have achieved that without any declick and EQ? Wow, very quiet and how you achieved that from washing your records? I have a VPI 16 and can't achieve that with some old cracker records. A tip. Maybe shutting down some none essential services and processes without crashing the PC will even be better for your next rips. I will try to learn more to do that. I'm sure Javier will be very helpful in the shutting down computer processes and services advice as usual from him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2012 1:59:42 GMT
Chong A poster in C.A.recently reported that he couldn't pick the difference between a vinyl record and a digital copy made using a Korg recorder at 24/192. 24/192 is overkill for most vinyl rips Alex www.korg.com/mr2000sbk
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Post by XTRProf on Oct 21, 2012 3:45:41 GMT
A poster in C.A.recently reported that he couldn't pick the difference between a vinyl record and a digital copy made using a Korg recorder at 24/192. 24/192 is overkill for most vinyl rips Alex www.korg.com/mr2000sbkAh, that's also a very good professional ADC. Must find the price. If both the M2Tech and the Korg is about the same, the M2Tech still have the advantage. Btw, the main reason for going to 384-24/32 is no need any more filter. Similar to upsampling more gentler filter and less phase shift. So zero phase shift for 384-24/32 and the sampling frequency nasty also will surely be beyond the threshold to cause any more hurt TECHNICALLY. I also don't think I can hear beyond 192-24. Between 192-24 and 96-24 is already border line threshold of hearing differences already. 44-16 to 96-24 -----> clear differences. 96-24 to 192-24 -----> really not clear at all but in the technicality. I'm looking for 384-32/24 is for the last ounce of technical perfection to satisfy inner sould that everthing I have is already the threshold of design and hearing. I WILL NOT go beyond 384-32/24 as stated previously. About 384-24/32 that's what the engineers at: www.highdeftapetransfers.com/storefront.phpsaid. You know what, Tim Paravinci, the EAR frontman reflected the same sentiment at about the beginning of CD. So hearing 192-24 is already beyond what we can hear the difference and 384-24/32 is for you know the engineers. What to do? Objective engineers go by data, right, and we, the subjective audiofools, go by ears.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2012 4:04:14 GMT
Chong The Korg can be found for as low as US $1,800 Given the fact that most vinyl recordings, other than the old 4 channel matrixed types, have very little content (if any) above 30kHz at any worthwhile level that will not be masked by surface noise, there appears to be very little advantage in going past 24/96. 24/192 should easily cover all eventualities, including the lack of detrimental HF filtering. Alex P.S. IF you were talking about making high quality recordings, as distinct from vinyl rips with their inherent limitations,I would be inclined to go along with what you are suggesting. BUT, Barry Diament, you aint !!
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Post by XTRProf on Oct 21, 2012 4:07:50 GMT
My, my ..............., the Korg can even record in DSD128 at a list of $2500 with a street price of $1700 all in standalone. No need PC! Now I must thank Alex for bringing that into the front! The Korg technicality: www.pssl.com/!PMNm8u-wokkba0HdGhuHKA!/Korg-MR2000SBK-DSD-Rackmount-1Bit-Studio-Recorder
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Post by XTRProf on Oct 21, 2012 4:13:09 GMT
BUT, Barry Diament, you aint !! Barry Chong?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2012 13:45:21 GMT
Chong, Audacity is good for 96/24, as I've stated before I'm recording my vinyl at 96/32 and replaying via cPlay. You have to understand that best quality will only come from well engineered recordings on good pressings which are in almost pristine condition (cared for well and very little playing time done). If you have Vinyl in that condition then it can indeed sound extremely good when digitised................... whether that is up to "Old Golden Ears" standard is of course an other story. Old crackers will always be just that, but if you value the music on them then you'll digitise them any way and still enjoy what you hear...............warts and all. My latest Vinyl Rip is a 1979 pressing of "The Everly Brothers" tracks recorded between 1957 and 1960 on the Cadence label. It certainly to my "Brass Lugs" sounds good enough for me to happily listen and enjoy what I hear. Of course these tracks are mono which has been electronically recreated as stereo. Every Vinyl pressing has surface noise but I find that as long as you ensure that the run in and out has the noise removed you will be hard pressed to hear it under the recorded audio. If you attempt to remove the noise underlying the audio electronically it stands to reason that you will remove relevant music signal also. Classical recordings during quiet passages will show surface noise and I find them to be more difficult to do.
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Post by XTRProf on Oct 23, 2012 1:28:18 GMT
Thanks Alan for the tips. Everly brothers. I think I have one of their records. Btw, your sons surely and mainly not into classical or Elvis Presley kind of music in their records that you are ripping for them? More up trend type like alternative rock or even new wave?
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