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Post by XTRProf on Apr 15, 2012 13:42:51 GMT
What's the damage? Also, rank where in your HP pile?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2012 19:37:06 GMT
Miguel, those mods look absolutely stunning. The pads look very similar to what I have but the wood ........ wow!!!! Reminds me of the AT 1000x and 5000x. Gorgeous looking headphones.
You know Syd, in comparison to these, headphones used at work are just that - workhorses. They do the job but they aren't the best.
Home headphones are a completely different ball game and yet, I see so many people commenting on how this or that could be used in a studio. Utter rollocks really.
a) They have to withstand temper fits and cord pulling. b) Preferably change the cord immediately without soldering after a temper fit. c) Withstand drinks being dropped on them. Being dropped/sat on. (I'm famous for that because I have a goldfish memory) d) Reasonable sound that is flattering to you as a performer. e) Loud so you can use them as monitor speakers. (Therefore fat wires inside or they'll melt!! - that affects frequency response as well) f) FR skewed sown at the top so you can play them loud and also listen for long periods without fatigue.
So you see, with those kinds of things in mind, a workhorse is a completely different thing to a headphone for pleasure.
A pleasurable headphone produces 'music' that recreates what I 'think' I hear live as well as possible. A studio recording is merely an aural photograph, not real. It's heavily manipulated to make home speakers sound good on mediocre gear.
I get tired of worrying what I'm missing in the sound or cringing because of sharp treble - I just want to relax and listen to music.
The Denons allow just that - even if they are not tonally accurate (Which I don't believe - I think they're pretty close to the real thing) and you just forget they're a headphone. Pure pleasure to listen to in fact. I look forward to hearing them actually.
The 'detail' thing is worrying in that I am actually hearing a great deal more detail with them in spite of that enormous bass. It has made me realise how so many headphones really don't produce bass well at all. We all seem to focus on the treble detail and forgive headphones for being 'meagre' in the bottom end. Listening to these has made me realise how much I have missed a nice, fat, solid bass as the basis of the music I'm listening to. Once it's there, you miss it instantly when you move to many other headphones and you also notice how the mid or upper bass is ramped in them in an attempt to get them to produce bass.
The Denons actually do produce bass and at the same dynamic as the treble. They don't have 'aural' tricks to produce a feeling of bass - it really is there.
Frans often mentions low, deep bass and he was talking about it in the Beyer DT1350. Looking at the FR graph for them shows that they do indeed go extremely low. Once you are aware of that bass, you instantly miss it on other stuff.
However, if the bass isn't on the recording, it's not in the headphone which is brilliant because when it appears, boy, does it appear!!!
I hope Denon keep making them. They may become extinct.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2012 21:47:50 GMT
I can't understand why they aren't better known Ian!
I read on Headfi or somewhere today where someone had been told (in 2010!) by a dealer that they were discontinued. Just looked and they're still listed on their website.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2012 21:56:57 GMT
LUV IT !!! ;D
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Post by Alberto01 on Apr 16, 2012 1:29:53 GMT
How does the sound after being modded compare with the sound before being modded?
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Post by mrarroyo on Apr 16, 2012 10:05:23 GMT
Chong, as far as closed headphones they are my favorite and thus the only pair I have. Cost wise I rather not say but the mods were several times the cost of the D2000 that I bought used for $200.
Alberto, I had a chance to compared it agains a stock unit back in 2008 and 2009. No comparison as I recall, the bass is tighter and less boomy allowing the mids to come through. The leather pads separate your ear further improving the bass as well as comfort.
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Post by mrarroyo on Apr 16, 2012 10:06:13 GMT
Thank Ian, wish some of you were closer so youl could listen to them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2012 14:38:05 GMT
Thank Ian, wish some of you were closer so youl could listen to them. So do I. I love Miami and the weather!!
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Post by XTRProf on Apr 16, 2012 16:11:57 GMT
Chong, as far as closed headphones they are my favorite and thus the only pair I have. Cost wise I rather not say but the mods were several times the cost of the D2000 that I bought used for $200. Wow, Beany's car on Pirelli P Zero and Lambo engine, man! I always love those Subaru WRX boy racers waiting to pounce on a Ferrari or Lambo.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2012 21:06:47 GMT
I tried both the ahd 2000 and the ahd 1100 in my local branch of HMV(Peterborough) today and found them both to be very nice HP`s. Interestingly the 2000`s were £219 and the 1100`s £119. HMV obviously have a price to suit branch policy. I found the 1100`s to be slightly more forward in the mid-range, but with good precise bass and a sweet top end , very close to the 2000`s. Comfortable to wear and well made, for the price. What makes them more desireable to my ear is.... Amazon are currently selling these for £64.99. www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003YUBE4E/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLEMick.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2012 21:22:09 GMT
I saw them Mick. Very good price. There's a bit of a wait with them though.
I heard them and thought they were good as well. Not quite as revealing and I thought, a bit heftier in the bass.
They are a great buy though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2012 20:09:17 GMT
aha......
They may be cheap with HMV at the moment because Denon is discontinuing them and replacing them with something else.
Great pity. They are a very good headphone and the replacement isn't going to be as cheap. I'm not sure whether the D1100 will stay either.
So if you're thinking about it, they may not be around for much longer.
That explains the cheap price!!
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Post by elysion on Apr 25, 2012 5:27:04 GMT
I was thinking the same about the cheap price of the DT 990 Pro's. Obviously, Beyer has a new generation in the pipeline, the T70 is already out. I'm very interested to see an upcoming T90, but it would be nice to know before, so I can shell out some money for another cheap pair of DT 990 Pro's.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2012 6:58:59 GMT
That's exactly what I'm thinking, Christian. If they are to be discontinued, I wouldn't mind another one in case this one falls apart.
For me, they really hit the sweet spot. A tad weighty in the bass but I don't mind that since it does disappear when recordings don't have bass. ie - harpsichords sound like harpsichords and not harpsichords with a thumping bass but it is lively down below!!
I think it's currently selling at HMV for a bargain price.
I've read really bad reports of the cheaper D1100. Not of the sound but of the build. Many people seem to have had problems with the headband breaking.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2012 19:16:55 GMT
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Post by Spirit on Jun 14, 2012 5:15:41 GMT
I bit. Happy so far! Certainly no less comfy than the HD600s. I was worried because I have rather large ears, but thankfully they just fit . Sound is good. Will report back when I've had time for a proper listen.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2012 6:29:03 GMT
Next stop.... K550... ortho's ?
the D2000 is a nice sounding set of cans but also has it quircks. Usually in the better cans they start revealing themselves at a much later stage when our brain is fully accustomed to it's presentation (meaning resonances, FR e.t.c.).
break-in or brain-in ... that's the question.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2012 6:48:47 GMT
Next stop.... K550... ortho's ? the D2000 is a nice sounding set of cans but also has it quircks. Usually in the better cans they start revealing themselves at a much later stage when our brain is fully accustomed to it's presentation (meaning resonances, FR e.t.c.). break-in or brain-in ... that's the question. You're talking about the bass aren't you?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2012 2:59:03 GMT
I am enclosing a photo of my newly DIY recabled Denon AH D2000 plugged into my Horizon amplifier. The cable is 4x24 Cardas in a nylon multifilament non-microphonic sleeve, and a 1/4" Cardas rhodium plated stereo plug. I am very pleased with the result. The SQ is now even more transparent, and the bass is tighter. As a result, classical recordings are rendered with greater clarity (the great ones sound even greater), but mediocre recordings are mercilessly exposed -- warts and all!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2012 15:28:21 GMT
Very nice Israel. That looks mighty posh to me.
I really enjoy the Denon's sound. It has a good sense of space and clarity but also offers quite a lot of weight which makes it sound so musical.
I'm virtually using the D2000 and AKG K550 exclusively nowadays. I like them both very much. The K550 gives slightly less weight and a bit more edge in the top but has a great lively character to it.
The Denon is like having a big pillow on your head and then this luxurious sound ..........
I wish you were closer, I'd be knocking on the door to pressgang you into cabling mine up.
Israel, could you see how the cups are held on when you took them apart? From the outside, you just see a round piece of metal and I wondered whether there was a tightening screw on the other side.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2012 20:30:58 GMT
Very nice Israel. That looks mighty posh to me. I really enjoy the Denon's sound. It has a good sense of space and clarity but also offers quite a lot of weight which makes it sound so musical. I'm virtually using the D2000 and AKG K550 exclusively nowadays. I like them both very much. The K550 gives slightly less weight and a bit more edge in the top but has a great lively character to it. The Denon is like having a big pillow on your head and then this luxurious sound .......... I wish you were closer, I'd be knocking on the door to pressgang you into cabling mine up. Israel, could you see how the cups are held on when you took them apart? From the outside, you just see a round piece of metal and I wondered whether there was a tightening screw on the other side. Hi, Ian I agree with you completely about the D2000 SQ! Hooked up to the Horizon, they sound fantastic! Before I recabled them, to my ear, they sounded a little less open (soundstage-wise), than the Beyerdynamic DT990 PROs, which I just got as a Father's Day gift from my wife yesterday, and which I also love very much! I already have an order in for all the materials necessary to recable those as well, and it will be interesting how they compare with the D2000s with the new Cardas cable. Regarding the construction of the D2000 cups, they are held by inner screws, accessible after the pads are removed by turning them counter-clockwise (they are bayonetted in place) -- you have to grip the pads by the edge and keep them from slipping while turning the bayonetted plastic disc, which holds the pads in place. If you find that they do indeed slip, then you may have to peel off the pads from the bayonetted discs to gain direct access to them, and carefully pushing them with a blunt tool to unlock them. After removing the discs (with or without the pads in place), you will see four philips flathead screws, which should be removed in order to gain access to four more philips roundhead screws, which in turn hold the outer cups in place. After removing the latter, access is gained to the actual transducers to which two wires each (positive and negative-ground) are soldered. The whole process with pictures, and step-by-step instructions, is shown here: www.diyaudioblog.com/2011/09/denon-ah-d2000-headphone-recable_05.htmlI hope this helps. Cheers! Israel
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Post by XTRProf on Jun 18, 2012 23:03:28 GMT
Hi Israel, Wow, a new toy for Fathers' Day? Should be Husbands' Day instead. Alright, jokes aside, may I know why you favour Cardas cables over others like OCC Cu or Ag? You have ordered another one after the Denon mode. I may also order one, if it's at a good price, to try if it's that great to you. Anyway, have been reading many people and manufacturers also use Cardas cables too. Thanks in advance for your reply.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 1:17:33 GMT
Hi Israel, Wow, a new toy for Fathers' Day? Should be Husbands' Day instead. Alright, jokes aside, may I know why you favour Cardas cables over others like OCC Cu or Ag? You have ordered another one after the Denon mode. I may also order one, if it's at a good price, to try if it's that great to you. Anyway, have been reading many people and manufacturers also use Cardas cables too. Thanks in advance for your reply. Hello, Chong I celebrate Husbands' Day every other day for the rest of the year, for I have a great wife, who treats me better than I deserve! Now to the more serious matter: Sometime ago I bought a couple of Moon-Audio Silver Dragon cables (99.9999% Silver), which at first I liked on my Senns HD650s, but then I felt that something was missing, i.e. a good rendition of the extreme HF as well as the LF. It just sounded, to use a gastrointestinal term, "constipated" , with a rather small sound stage. I then decided to make my own, and bought 6 feet of Cardas cable from Moon-Audio @ $8.00 US per foot, as well as the necessary Senns Cardas connectors, plus their expensive $15.00 1/4" Stereo Plug. I put that thing together, and the SQ rendered with this cable was simply breathtaking! Everything opened up, the soundstage widened, and textures in heavily orchestrated passages came through clearer than I had ever heard. The Moon-Audio Silver Dragons got sold on eBay shortly thereafter. Please keep in mind that these opinions are subjectively based, strictly from listening through MY ears. Your perception may be very different from mine, as everybody's makeup, hearing, and preconceived ideas are different. For me, this was good enough, and I have stopped looking for the ideal cable, and am not in the mood of paying exorbitant amounts of money for other cables, claimed to be the ultimate in SQ. There is just so much that a cable can do, and the Cardas cable does it, and then some! It only costs me in materials and parts about $80.00 US shipped, and nothing in labor, as I make it myself, something that is not that difficult to do, especially if one has some experience in soldering, and not afraid to disassemble those highly prized headphones. Of course, be forewarned that, should you choose to do it yourself, you do so at your own risk! Please don't blame me, should you not be satisfied with the results! Your mileage may vary. FYI: You may peruse this link for information about materials and parts for making a Cardas cable: www.moon-audio.comCheers! Israel
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