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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2012 19:52:28 GMT
With so many folks reporting on the advantages this programme gives for sound quality, I thought it may be time for its own thread for Q&A.
So I'll kick off;
With Fidelizer now being compatible with XP I thought I'd give it a whirl.
Is anybody else using it on XP(pro 32, SP3)?
On my laptop it won't let me use the "audiophile" setting, error messages apleny, I'm guessing this is down to my particular system maybe being too old?
Anyway, with "professional" it seems to go through the motions. As you are supposed to open your music prog after Fidelizer how do you know its on with no confirmation tag or window? (I'm trying at work with limited quality amp etc. and can't tell any difference by ear)
OR, is mine just not working from missing a trick somewhere?
TIA
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2012 21:00:39 GMT
Hi Chris Although Fidelizer may work with XP, I wouldn't even bother with it on anything but Windows 7, which is far superior for audio. To get the best out of Fidelizer you really need to also be able to use ASIO in order to bypass the Windows Mixer. To answer Mick's question, at least partially, Fidelizer, Asio etc. are designed for serious listening. Marcin from jPlay even suggesting during earlier tests that USB Input devices such as keyboard and Mouse be unplugged for the highest quality rips. Fidelizer is not meant to be used when doing normal operations at the same time as listening. In the full on setting you shouldn't be even able to access the Internet to surf. I use the latest 2.1 version which doesn't have problems with dual core processors like a previous version did. So far with my system using the additional PSU filtering , I haven't felt the need to use Fidelizer during play, but I use it solely for Ripping of the highest quality material where there is a lot of dynamic range.You are unlikely to notice much difference when using Fidelizer with most current pop recordings. Alex
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2012 22:39:18 GMT
Hi Alex,
In that case how do you explain why on my old PC running XP, Fiderlizer worked just fine during playback (River player or Foobar), yet on my new PC running W7(64bit) it introduces background noise.
With Fiderlizer disabled, it suffers no interference at all during playback through these players, no matter what i`m else doing on my pc.
Mick.
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Post by FauDrei on Mar 4, 2012 22:52:07 GMT
Interesting.
Mick, are you getting interference with all combinations of four custom fidelizer options (custom setting) or could you pinpoint the option that produces background noise?
Also, what kind of soundcard/transport/DAC are you using on your 7 x64 machine?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2012 23:03:13 GMT
Interesting. Mick, are you getting interference with all combinations of four custom fidelizer options (custom setting) or could you pinpoint the option that produces background noise? Also, what kind of soundcard/transport/DAC are you using on your 7 x64 machine? Mick I will let Javier sort this one out. I have only just strted using Fidelizer, and I also get noise if I try to do other things. Are you using ASIO with XP ? Perhaps the dreaded Windows Mixer is masking much of this crap ? However, Fidelizer is meant for serious listening, not continuing to do other things. With the full on setting you shouldn't even be able to browse the Internet. Regards Alex Alex
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Post by FauDrei on Mar 4, 2012 23:52:36 GMT
My fidelizer experience say the contrary: I am able to work on my comp. while enjoying improved SQ (with the price of somewhat increased network latency).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2012 9:13:37 GMT
Noise, or better said, heavy distortion can happen if Fidelizer assigns only one core or hyperthreading virtual core to the media player. This can be easily checked using Windows Task Manager going to the processes tab looking for the name of the player executable (example: foobar2000.exe) right click on it and cliking on "Set afinitty" if only one core is checked, make sure you check the rest. Also setting priority to "Real Time" can help. In the latest versions of the ASIO plugin another independent process is run, AsioHost32.exe or AsioHost64.exe) make sure it gets the same tratment as foobar2000.exe. Hope this helps.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2012 9:39:47 GMT
Hi Javier Any ideas as to why keyboard or mouse activity can break through so loudly when Fidelizer is used for music playback, as both Mick and myself have found ? Iam ujsing 2.21 Kind Regards Alex
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2012 10:14:05 GMT
It can be due to the problem mentioned in my previous post. Sometimes Fidelizer's core load balancing doesn't workas it should, specially if it is run with others applications or programas running. If it assigns all processes to a single core including media player it produces a processing power bottle neck that leads to those effects. It should be solved following those instructions and running it before anything else is opened (ie no other apps or programs open).
I don't have that problem with any of my soundcards: Xonar ST (PCI), XConar D2X (PCIe) or Musiland 02 US (USB) running on W7 SP1 32bit.
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Post by FauDrei on Mar 5, 2012 10:20:04 GMT
Alex,
Fidelizer version 2.21?
I am using 2.1 and can not find anything more recent than that version.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2012 10:48:02 GMT
Alex, Fidelizer version 2.21? I am using 2.1 and can not find anything more recent than that version. Valter. Sorry. In too much of a hurry.It's 2.1 which should overcome dual core problems. Regards Alex
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2012 11:48:11 GMT
Interesting. Mick, are you getting interference with all combinations of four custom fidelizer options (custom setting) or could you pinpoint the option that produces background noise? Also, what kind of soundcard/transport/DAC are you using on your 7 x64 machine? Hi FauDrei, Yes, i get interference with all combinations of Fiderlizer when enabled whilst using other aspects of pc while listening to playback. I am using an Assus Essence1 dac via usb connection to pc, playback is through River player or Foobar Asio. I have no interference at all when Fiderlizer is disabled during playback, regardless of what ever else i am doing during playback. Mick.
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Post by FauDrei on Mar 5, 2012 23:22:08 GMT
Well Mick, it seems Javier have already given one possible cause for the noise you experience. I suppose you are using latest fidelizer (2.1) which solved certain previous multicore problems.
From your system's description I suspect a (dedicated USB DAC) driver problem with altered and more frequent IO interrupts that Fidelizer sets up. I see your Asus DAC is USB connected so I suggest to try it (with and without Fidelizer) on some other PC/laptop. If the problem persists on other system - it is very likely driver problem and nothing much you can do with Fidelizer with your USB DAC (unless Asus change the firmware/driver of the DAC). If the problems go away on other system you are most probably having multicore or USB interface problem(s).
Hope this made any sense to you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 11:44:51 GMT
To celebrate this new year there is a new 3.0 version of Fidelizer available for those who still use it: DL link: www.windowsxlive.net/downloads/fidelizer.zipChangelog Version 3.0 -Fixed audio’s core affinity optimization not working when some features not checked -Improved core system and resource scheduler optimizations for optimal audio performance -Improved process resource priority optimizations keeping more core audio’s related processes -Reworked multi-core optimizations to simpler yet more efficient approach -Reworked UI graphics and branding
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Post by pcourtney1 on Jan 1, 2013 14:19:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 16:11:10 GMT
Yes me to!!, Having done that and downloaded, its running fine in Audiophile mode, without any of the problems stated in my earlier posts, so perhaps a few issues associated with my past use have been addressed. Mick.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 19:08:10 GMT
The link works fine for me though I'm using Google Chrome
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 20:05:12 GMT
On my laptop it won't let me use the "audiophile" setting, error messages apleny, I'm guessing this is down to my particular system maybe being too old? Aha! Good heads up I downloaded the new version and I now CAN have "audiophile" mode working and clearly tell the difference even with a lowly amp. So a good upgrade. Oh, and the direct link didn't work for me either (Firefox). Oh#2, I just changed Foobars priority to "real time" as well, can hear that too. Haha, life in the old lappy yet!
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Post by chris1967 on Jan 2, 2013 19:28:16 GMT
What differences are there between jplay and Fidelizer, in music quality?
Is it worth the 100euro tag on jplay when you can use Fidelizer 3.0 for free?
(btw i am using windows 8)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 21:15:04 GMT
What differences are there between jplay and Fidelizer, in music quality? Is it worth the 100euro tag on jplay when you can use Fidelizer 3.0 for free? (btw i am using windows 8) Fidelizer isn't a music player. It simply sets up the PC for minimum intrusion by non essential programs and services. Rather like setting up a Windows PC in Safe mode. Try something like cPlay in conjunction with the various levels of Fidelizer and see whether the sound improvement is worthwhile. cPlay is a minimalistic player, but it should give very similar SQ results to jPlay.It's just not very user friendly. If I had 100euros to spare, I would use jPlay instead of cPlay. Alex
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Post by chris1967 on Jan 3, 2013 9:39:21 GMT
I an aware of what fidelizer does, but it is not clear to me what Jplay does... i mean on a technical level on my pc... I have been doing some tests but is very difficult for me to distinguish that differences in sound between the two of them when using Foobar. In another forum that i am an active member, they claim that jplay is a waste of money, but it seems to me that it has an edge over foobar/fidelizer... i wanted to hear you opinions on this matter. I am using mostly Foobar, but i have Jriver as well... i have the free version o jplay and i have recently the 3.0 version o fidelizer. Another player worth listening too is free player called pureplayer designed by a fellow Greek. It has some pages on the diyaudio forum www.diyaudio.com/forums/pc-based/184990-pure-player.htmland you may download it from www.purediy.gr/downloads/pureplayer.zip copy this on your browser it is not a direct link. Alex try this one out and tell me what you think... i personally like the sound, but i miss the ease of use of foobar. Also not sure which one sounds better... I will try cPlay, but this is all starting to get complicated...
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