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Post by PinkFloyd on Nov 4, 2011 9:27:40 GMT
Ian..... again, you may think this sounds daft, but I found the SQ "improving" the longer they were left on... it wasn't a one minute wonder type thing.... the longer they are left on the more pronounced the effect becomes.... take them off and you WILL notice they have gone.
Actually, tell your wife the score.... get her to blindfold you and have a listen for an hour or so with blindfold on. Ask her to remove the wraps (without your knowledge) and if the SQ reverts back to normal at any stage then "clap".... get your wife to note the time you clapped AND the time she removed the wraps.
I think there is actually a "reason" why they are doing what they are doing and it's not bunkum / snake oil.... Frans will tell you in private maybe.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2011 10:01:57 GMT
Ian .... I think there is actually a "reason" why they are doing what they are doing and it's not bunkum / snake oil.... Frans will tell you in private maybe. Now that's naughty, intriguing and frustratingly irritating  Dave. |
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Post by mrarroyo on Nov 4, 2011 10:36:43 GMT
I received my samples yesterday and will attempt to install them over the weekend. For those reading does it really matter how it works? If YOU as a user hear a difference then be happy and enjoy it. More to come.
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Post by PinkFloyd on Nov 4, 2011 10:56:37 GMT
Yup.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2011 10:58:47 GMT
I received my samples yesterday and will attempt to install them over the weekend. For those reading does it really matter how it works? If YOU as a user hear a difference then be happy and enjoy it. More to come. Miguel It does matter, if it's only a temporary thing, or an expectation thing. Get your wife to remove them at a later time without telling you, and see if you can pick that the sound has degraded again. Alex |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2011 11:19:36 GMT
I'd feel happier if I knew why.... even if it's to do with my expectations, although tbh Mike, I had none. I really didn't expect to hear anything different.
I don't think that Frans would see this as a possible improvement, but if he knows why anything could be changed by enclosing it, I'd love to know the answer!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2011 12:47:13 GMT
, but if he knows why anything could be changed by enclosing it, I'd love to know the answer!!!! Ian FWIW, me too - I find it difficult to accept that somethingis happening without having any idea why. If it is happening, and if both Mike and Ian seem to accept that it is, there must be a reason as to what is happening and why. Cheers, Dave. |
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Post by gommer on Nov 4, 2011 14:09:44 GMT
Guys, have you tried putting on Ferrite Core EMC Clamp Filters around the cables that you wrapped. Maybe that would give the same result.
It's easy to try, these clamp-on-thingies exist seperate. A lot of consumer products have them integrated in the (usually) power supply cable.
Cheers, Marc
PS. OTOH they would give an on-off immediate effect, if any.
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Post by Chris53 on Nov 4, 2011 15:52:45 GMT
Guys, have you tried putting on Ferrite Core EMC Clamp Filters around the cables that you wrapped. Maybe that would give the same result. It's easy to try, these clamp-on-thingies exist seperate. A lot of consumer products have them integrated in the (usually) power supply cable. Cheers, Marc PS. OTOH they would give an on-off immediate effect, if any. Didn't take the ferrite clamps that I use off before I "Miracle Wrapped" my interconnects and there is definately a difference with the Miracle Wraps on. The clamps never really did much (if anything) for the sound but the Wraps do. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2011 18:02:21 GMT
I'm still battling with the 'is it my head playing tricks' idea Dave. It's not night and day but I had absolutely NO expectations of this and when I opened the package from Mike (with all kinds of jokes on the package!!! (Thanks Mike, it did make me laugh)) and then what I saw in there looked exactly how Mike originally described it, I just felt that no way is this going to do anything.
I tied them on and frankly forgot about it because I didn't take it seriously. I put some music on (well, Michael Jackson) and I felt that I was hearing more inside the recording rather than hearing it further out. I felt closer to the sounds.
For instance, 'Thriller' (Which I'm not that keen on) did actually sound more 3D because my ears seemed closer in. The howling was blatantly human and some of the small inside riffs became kind of separated from the recording so they were plain as daylight.
I had never noticed this before and then I started to wonder about the wraps. More modern recordings were way above Thriller and frankly sounded more potent and in yer face without being harsh.
I tried to decipher what I thought may have changed and it actually tallied with what is written on the site. I hadn't looked because I didn't expect any change. Having read the stuff on the site, it reads like bullshine and I really don't get it.
That's why I wonder if my head is playing tricks. The damned things are so expensive, I wouldn't buy them so it's thanks to Mike that I'm even aware of something like this. It would be nice if the guy who makes them could pass a load out for us all to compare notes. From what the blurb says, they don't apparently 'travel' too well either!!
I'm not sure if I'm listening more intently or it actually is different. I have turned the volume down on the amp and the presence has remained. In fact, it's the lowest I've ever listened seriously on the V8. (8.30) Normally, I listen at about 11 o clock in order to get a good sense of presence in the sound, but it now seems to be focusing at lower volume.
I look forward to see whether Miguel hears anything different. Miguel, did you just write and ask for a sample or is it a 30 day trial? The cost of a set of these is really quite high.
Ian
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Post by clausdk on Nov 4, 2011 20:52:49 GMT
I want some pictures of the gear wrapped up..
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Post by joethearachnid on Nov 4, 2011 21:00:40 GMT
Ian,
A more simple variation on Mike's idea might be to cover the miracle wrapped components with a tea towel or something and ask your wife to randomly put on and remove the wraps, noting down in secret what times she puts on and removes them. You have severall listening sessions whilst this change is going on and note down (without looking) your impressions and whether you think the wraps are in place or not.
Then after doing this for a couple of days, you compare notes and see if your more positive impressions correlate with the times when the wraps were on.
(I believe Frans has mentioned a test similar to this before)
Obviously that's a pretty complicated experiment, but it seems like this is really getting to you and this would give confirmation without effect by any subjective or objective opinions.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2011 21:30:50 GMT
Actually, I'm starting to think ....... blow it. If it seems good, just listen!! It's not one of those instantly spotable things. It's a subtle 'inner parts' thing. I just think if it's convincing my head, then that's fine!!  I still don't know about the cost of them though. They're very high to treat a full system. Would magnetic material have an effect? I'd love to know what's in them. The effect may go then perhaps!! Ian |
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Post by mrarroyo on Nov 4, 2011 22:34:27 GMT
Ian, I was asked via PM in HF if I wanted to listen to them. Just got home and of to reading a book I go after eating. Unfortunately a friend of SWMB passed away (93 YO) and we are going to her funeral tomorrow so I do not know how much play time I will have.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2011 22:49:57 GMT
Joe Ian and Miguel could also try handling them with gloves in case they are impregnated with LSD or other mind altering substances. ;D I don't know why you guys don't just see if you can visit a Hypnotist on the NHS, for smoking or whatever other nasty habit you may have,(cross dressing, playing with 8 year old's toys  ) and while there get him to hypnotise you into believing that the next time, and every time from then on , that you turn on your system it will sound better than you have ever heard it before !   ;D, Ye olde shitstirrer A.K.A. Alex |
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Post by PinkFloyd on Nov 4, 2011 23:02:27 GMT
Ian.... I was thinking that too BUT..... a guy has exchanged me a DAC and a couple of "interconnects" to max out something for him.... I told him to keep the interconnects but he sent them anyway (along with the original receipt).... £219 for 0.6M (23 inches) of "Van den hul" coax (back in 2000).... I hooked it up to my DAC (coax out from CD to DAC) and couldn't notice any difference apart from a low level hum..... you know my thoughts on "boutique" cables and this pretty much confirmed it. Like the Miracle wraps I thought "no way" and I was correct..... basically £219 down the pan to the original purchaser and a big smile / seen you coming look on the salesman's face.... Thing is.... I was even MORE skeptical about the "miracle" wraps and had mentally condemned them before they had even arrived... I was all geared up (in my head) to expect NOTHING and had even prepared a few "one liners" to totally laugh them out of the joint.... you know what I'm like when I get my teeth in It came as a bit of a shock (not a miracle but more of shock) when I put my headphones on and listened to The Wall (in it's entirety), a couple of well known Yello albums and found myself able to focus in on the subtleties without even trying. £219 may bring you a placebo "rush" from a python cable but it soon becomes business as usual as soon as your mind forgets £££ and your ears start hearing the truth.... these "tampons" are possibly the most unattractive "looking" tweak on planet earth... they look like something you would get applied to a bleeding finger in a low end Hospital's emergency room..... Thing is, and it's a BIG "thing"..... they do what they claim... they are PUG ugly, they have no pedigree, I don't know the guy who makes them from Adam and I couldn't give a shit if he reads this or not... the "thing" is, they DO improve the SQ and listening experience. I found the experience a lot more intimate and, since sending them to Ian for evaluation, I am actually "missing" that intimacy from the sound. I don't give a rat's arse what anybody thinks (especially the all knowing / all doing experts) to my ears they have been a revelation. I am not easily fooled and am hardened to con merchants and bullshitters.... Check out the Emperor.... came as a big surprise to me that the "miracle wraps" actually DO work..... They are not voodoo and have not been blessed by a rainbow foil preacher... they are actually "doing" something.... it's not a "miracle" there is a reason why they are doing what they do so well.... I think the seller should maybe go a bit more in-depth on that front One thing is for sure (as far as my ears are concerned).... the recipe is perfect  Pinkie. |
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Post by PinkFloyd on Nov 4, 2011 23:02:55 GMT
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Post by mrarroyo on Nov 5, 2011 13:35:22 GMT
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Post by PinkFloyd on Nov 6, 2011 16:13:16 GMT
Errol Brown believes in miracles (you sexy thang)  Limmie and Family Cooking believe in miracles Roger Waters believes in Miracles... It's a miracle! |
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Post by XTRProf on Nov 7, 2011 1:20:44 GMT
Everybody talking about miracle without GOD! So this must be in as well ................  Yup, original! The original ..............   Still Sunday for America, right? So sing along ................ SPIRIT IN THE SKYNorman Greenbaum A When I die and they lay me to rest, D Gonna go to the place that's best. A When they lay me down to die, E A Goin on up to the spirit in the sky. {chorus} A Goin on up to the spirit in the sky. D That's where I'm gonna go, when I die. A When I die and they lay me to rest, E I'm gonna go to the place that's the best. {verse 2} Prepare yourself, you know it's a must, Gotta have a friend in Jesus. So you know that when you die, It's gonna recommend you to the spirit in the sky. CHORUS **replace "I'm" with "you're" and 1st "I" with "you"** {verse 3} Never been a sinner, I've never sinned. I've got a friend in Jesus. So you know that when I die, It's gonna set me up with the spirit in the sky. CHORUS |
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Post by XTRProf on Nov 7, 2011 2:24:27 GMT
Oh yeah, I had forgotten until I post at music played again! From an Islamic view thru the eyes of a new Cat. |
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Post by mrarroyo on Nov 11, 2011 12:54:55 GMT
I have refrained from posting my impressions just to make sure that I was hearing what I think I am hearing. Basically with low impedance cans like Grado/Denon I can hear an improvement, whether real or imagined it does not matter to me since I am happy. However with higher impedance cans like Sennheiser I can not really hear a difference. Mind you my comments are based on the gear in which I installed the Wraps in (see reply 67).
1. Blacker and quieter background.
2. Smoother presentation.
3. Clearer overall sound.
4. Easier to get immersed in the music.
5. Overall a more musical experience.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2011 14:41:19 GMT
That's the same feeling I had. However, I'm not certain because my head is telling me that can't be so.
I felt as though the system became more relaxed.
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Post by Chris53 on Nov 11, 2011 19:23:58 GMT
My impression of the interconnect version of the Miracle Wraps: I've been suffering from what I think is an EMF problem. This has been mostly with the CD player (Rega Apollo). My hard drive TV recorder sounds pretty good through my system as does my DVD player. The CD player had a glassy edge to massed vocals and other sounds that only decreased in the small hours. I tried balanced mains, The BT transformer, ferrite rings, a belkin unit and fancy shielded mains cables as well as an Isotek block. All of these made a small difference to my problem. Most of my listening is through a Panda using Sennhesier HD600's but I also have an old Audiolab 8000a amplifier feeding a pair of Rodgers LS7t speakers. When the volume is turned up while playing CDs the sound becomes hard and fatiguing. After reading of Mike's experiences I took up the offer of a home trial. Despite reading what Mike wrote I was still sceptical as it just sounded so improbable. I've tried various Peter Belt things in the past and never heard the slightest change in the sound. The difference with Miracle Wraps after the first 10 minutes was remarkable. I get a smoother presentation that just sounds "fuller" with individual sounds much easier to pinpoint. Generally a relaxed sound altogether but with nothing exaggerated frequency wise. This was on the headphones. After a couple of days I had the opportunity to try the speakers out. I was astonished at the "analogue" sound I was hearing. It was VERY listenable. At the moment I have no intention of removing the Miracle Wraps and waiting for the effect to dissipate to try an A/B test. The sound is just too good with these tea bags/tampons (call them what you will) in place. I don't understand what is happening and in a way I don't much care. The main thing is that it sounds bloody good  |
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