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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2011 20:12:18 GMT
I've flown one before but not mine so I decided to go for it!! Just about got a grip of the MSR so had a taste of single blade flying and was heading for 120 SR. The MSR is a nice flyer outside once you know what it's doing and it has a good go at the wind, unlike the MCX's. I need a challenge though and I decided that I don't like the pendulum motion that the Blades are prone to and also the prices are a bit higher. The Honey Bee V2 is less money and more heli so one is coming to Surrey. Fixed wing, 4 channel piece of kit. You guys should try one ........ work becomes a distant memory once you're flying one in the sky!! Honest, you're so exhausted keeping it in the sky that you forget what you were worrying about. Mike, I'll post pictures of my fleet (minus the Bladez which have been given to kids) when the Bee arrives. You've got me going now!! Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 7, 2011 21:22:57 GMT
That looks like a fast machine! Not sure if it comes with heatsinks for the motors but you can buy them quite cheaply on ebay www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ESKY-HONEY-BEE-CP2-MAIN-TAIL-MOTOR-ALLOY-HEATSINKS-/380293465245?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item588b41c49dI would have maybe been better going with the CP2.... this 6 channel thing is MENTAL! Managed to get it off the ground but it is FIERCE, am waiting for the training kit before I attempt that again.... Ian, be very careful because those blades could slice your head off (or give you a very "close" haircut!).... I still think the battery arrangement is a PITA.... you have to remove the canopy to charge it.... I can already feel a "mod" coming on whereby you dremel a small access hatch to pull out the charging lead.... the canopy is quite fiddly to get on too... easy to remove but those rubber grommets keep popping out... There's always something annoying isn't there? Actually, no real reason as to why the battery shouldn't be strapped onto the bottom of the cradle? Mike.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2011 21:33:07 GMT
Mike, does the CP3 have the same lip on the front for the battery? I've seen a video where the guy literally places the battery on the lip and holds it down with a rubber band. It's also quite a long way forward of the lip.
The battery has two leads? One for charge and one for connection to the heli? I just wondered whether the charge lead (if it is a charge lead) could be left poking under the canopy? (Down below for a connection without removing anything.)
Mine's not the CP2. It's a V2 and so has a fixed blade which should make it behave a little bit better. I'll move on to something like the CP3 if I can hold the V2.
Have you found any big batteries yet, Mike?
Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 8, 2011 9:27:05 GMT
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 8, 2011 9:30:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2011 11:02:13 GMT
Thanks Mike. Ordered a nice big battery. Don't know about 20 minutes flight time though!!
Why are there two leads coming from the battery? Is one charge and one discharge?
If that's the case, I wonder whether it's possible to leave the charge lead dangling on one side of the canopy so the battery doesn't have to come out to charge.
If 20 minutes is true, then that arrangement wouldn't be so bad!!
Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 8, 2011 12:04:41 GMT
One lead is the flight lead (the red and black one) the other lead is the charge lead. Forget the rubber band trick Ian, I have now studied this in great detail and all you need is some double sided sticky foam (I will send you some).... the battery cannot move from side to side but does need to be secured.... What to do is this: Apply double sided foam where shown (actually use a little bit more than shown) Fit battery as shown: This way, the centre of gravity is PERFECT "and" you can pop the charging lead out to charge the battery in situ Pop it back in when flying. Another BIG tip I have just discovered.... my CP3 was spinning to the right on take of so I adjusted the pitch.... no effect.... adjusted it again... no effect. What you have to do is POWER DOWN (disconnect the battery from the copter, switch the transmitter OFF) and THEN tweak the pitch.... in this case "towards positive "+") Turn it all on and try again.... my copter now goes straight up when it takes off! Same with the gain, you have to turn off, adjust the trimpot and then turn on again... the transmitter will only recognise the new setting when it shakes hands with the receiver the next time. Don't even attempt to fly these straight out of the box.... get her on the floor and see if she spins either left or right when you apply throttle... if so, you have to adjust the pitch until you can throttle up and she remains dead straight. What the pitch does is increase or decrease the speed of the tail rotor. Hope this helps.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2011 13:42:25 GMT
Great. So the canopy can stay on which is nice. How long do you reckon you might be getting? I'm guessing you haven't kept it up that long.
I've ordered a big battery so that's maybe what I'll do as well. Fantastic if you have it going up straight!! No way will the MSR do that. I've had a look at the swashplate and its connections and moved the trimming on the swashplate, but no real difference. It's just something you have to compensate for.
The V2 is a fixed blade so should be a bit easier than your CP3. I've been looking on You Tube and some of those jokers give you a bit of a scare!!
Not sure when I'll get it. Got a good price on it. ?80 which really isn't bad if it actually turns up. Battery is ordered and I've been reading 20 minutes. That could be a lie/error though. That's plenty if it's correct.
Doesn't the MCX seem tame by comparison? I've started to work on banking while turning. That really ups the speed and has to be carefully controlled.
Are you flying it outside, Mike? A bit hairy with wind?
It's a quick learning curve isn't it?
Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 8, 2011 13:50:46 GMT
I've been revving the arse out of her indoors for two days Ian and the battery level indicator hasn't even moved so I reckon these will easily be good for 20 minutes once the battery has formed.
I'll upload a pretty crap vid in about 10 minutes.... it's more an idea of the "noise" these things make and this is it at only about 1/4 of the revs.... they really do scream at full throttle... no chance of getting out today, it's pishing down, but I'll have a go in the workshop later on.... PLENTY of room there. I may be able to get access to the village hall too which would be awesome!
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 8, 2011 13:59:19 GMT
hehe......
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2011 16:09:53 GMT
That certainly has some power there, Mike. You're lifting it too!! It looks ready to go. So there is some kind of indicator to tell you the heli's battery charge?
That's useful; nothing worse than a two foot helicopter packing up 100 feet in the air above a car!!
I guess it need to whizz round at a helluva speed to get a think like that up in the air. When you get off the ground, is it holding or are you constantly trying to keep it still?
It's a lovely looking heli. It takes quite a load of steady nerves to get it off the ground doesn't it? I know the first time I tried the V1, I was nervous as hell, and the sound of the motor doesn't help because it sounds like a rocket engine threatening to shoot away.
It does sound smooth though, Mike. Mine looks very similar to yours except it's a fixed blade so I can't turn it upside down. (Thank goodness!!)
I just noticed that your battery is 1000 MaH. You know those Buzz place batteries are 1300? Bit more time and a bit more weight on the front.
Also, is that wandering around the floor due to air washing back or are you steering it? It's not even consistently one way!! Have you tried holding it with aileron? That'l give you a great take off then if the wandering is the machine without you steering. It looks similar to what the MSR does except you can get the MSR up quickly in relation to its size, but I still hold it oin the aileron as it leaves the ground and then it's perfectly fine in the air. In fact, I can get quite a slow lift off with it now and it goes up really straight.
This is interesting: simulator verses the real thing. Quite funny.
Ian
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2011 17:37:58 GMT
I like the trainer/stabiliser thingy, it looks like your HoneyBee has been collecting nectar
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2011 18:21:01 GMT
I like the trainer/stabiliser thingy, it looks like your HoneyBee has been collecting nectar ;D It's a bloody scary bee, Chris!! Do you remember, it was the one that someone suggested was a good beginner heli to you? That's the one I'm getting and it worries me now!!! Mike's is more advanced and has wooden blades. Imagine if one of those smacked you in the chops!! Let alone drop out of the sky. We're driving each other on here so I think the next thing I send up is a dustbin. Got a grip of the mini single blade so this medium single blade is just a step up for me hopefully. However, Mike's dived from the top board so I hope the water's deep enough. I'm just on the medium board watching. ;D To think, in Guernsey, I was perfectly happy with my old Bladez helis and now I've given them away!!! Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 8, 2011 19:18:43 GMT
Yes 3 green lights, an amber and a red..... as soon as it gets down to amber it's time to lnd that puppy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2011 19:31:38 GMT
Yes 3 green lights, an amber and a red..... as soon as it gets down to amber it's time to lnd that puppy. That's really handy. Saves a nasty accident. You're getting it off the ground in that video, Mike so it's gonna go!! Mind you, you won't be whizzing around with that. An accident would be much more significant than an MCX2. Set yourself a nice easy target and when you get there, move to another!! Up - hover - down!! That'll take a week.. No somersaults!! Ian
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2011 23:25:55 GMT
Ian,
yes I do! That's why I was keeping an eye on this thread and the sister CP3 one. If under my control I reckon I'd have crew cut all the family, all the farmers fruit trees and for a finale deftly removed my own head!
Ha, Ha, donk (me laughing my head off).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2011 7:17:16 GMT
Honest, Chris. The big 'uns are lethal weapons!! You need nerves of steel. It's a good job no-one is inside them with a rookie like me driving!!!
My little msr is a handful and that's only 7 inches. I've just realised how that reads, but blow it, I'll leave it. Straight talking on RG. ;-)
Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 9, 2011 14:23:25 GMT
Ian, you will find this REALLY helpful!
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 9, 2011 14:30:11 GMT
More from the guy who invented these:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2011 15:34:58 GMT
Is the CP2 the same as the V2, Mike? The set up procedures need to be put into English for dimwits. It's hard to know what the guy is talking about sometimes, but the rotor problem he's describing is the same one you get with the MSR. It looks to me like the CP2 has pitched blades whereas the V2 has fixed blades. I must admit, you've got me nervous. I have plenty of grassed areas around the house so at least I have space and a fairly soft landing. However, sod's law says to me that it'll probably wander up in the sky, go round and hit the road at the back!!! (or a tree) The other thing is I'm on the downs, so if it gets blown away, it'll travel a bloody long way ..... Now I'm getting nervous ..... and I'm able to hold the MSR!!! See what you've done to me. BTW - I love the banner; especially when there isn't a heli place so guys will start searching for stuff and get into hi fi instead!!!! Ian
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2011 16:56:43 GMT
Mike, Heli hasn't arrived yet but the battery has. It's friggin HUGE!! I don't know if you got one of these for the CP3, but it's 1300 mAh, 25c and is about an inch across and almost half an inch down. It's probably two and a half inches long!! Now I'm getting worried. Once you see the scale of this ..... OMG. I've read that the V2 can be tail heavy with the standard battery so maybe this thing will balance it better. Two leads - one with a white 4 pin connector and a red with two. With the arrival imminent, I'm starting to get worried about this!! The size of the heli is perhaps bigger than I thought. Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 11, 2011 20:18:54 GMT
Ian...... read all this...... www.rchelisite.com/rc_helicopter_blade_balancing.phpThey are very complex things that need a lot of pre flight adjustment.... I am currently balancing my new blades after fitting the new feathering shaft. Do NOT put your hand anywhere near the blades when they are moving! I went to catch the thing when it was revving down, the blade hit my fingernail and it was like being hit by a hammer.... these are highly dangerous things and need to be treated with respect. I have been 4 hours already "tuning" mine and it is still nowhere ready to take to the air
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2011 20:34:56 GMT
I'll take everything really slow, Mike. It does pay off; even with the little ones. It's just the size of them that makes them a bit frightening.
I certainly won't go near the blades when they're moving. I think it's on the way now so I'm starting to get a bit nervous about it.
The daft thing is that I have flown a V1 for a short while. I managed it and the guy who let me have a go must have been mad!! (He has plenty of dosh so doesn't worry!!) It was a tension filled flight to say the least, but I got it off the ground and in the air at least.
The weather is turning here now, so I'll have to bide my time in any case. I was thinking of attaching string to the 4 corners of the heli's skid pads to hold it down while I tried to lift it a few inches!! Just to see what it was doing.
Yours is ok now once you get the parts in? No further damage?
This is what worries me:
Each spindle, blade holder and nylon nut screwed to it has to hold 270 pounds (122Kg) to keep the blades from flying away! The tip speed of each blade is about 250 MPH or 413 KPH! If your a person who can throw about 50mph (81 KPH) that's equivalent to hitting something with the tip of an 8 ft (2.5m) ruler as hard as you can. It would HURT! If one blade seperates and the other is still attatched, the helicopter will have to sustain the force of a somewhat large man jumping on it from every direction 30 times per second. It won't last the blink of an eye and peices will fly hundreds of feet in every directoin. Remember, these statistics are for 30 sized helicopter blades. 60 Sized helicopters are much more powerful, and they're blades are considerably longer and heavier.
Ian
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Post by PinkFloyd on Oct 11, 2011 21:28:37 GMT
I am contemplating sending mine back or selling it on.... it's running perfectly now (a lot better than it was "out of the box") but it is far too random for me and all these adjustments / calibrations take so much time.... I had a go of Sam's nine eagles today and it is EXCELLENT! I took a vid of him flying it in his very "tight" cycle shop.... will upload it tomorrow.
I think I prefer the indoor types, I am frightened to let the CP3 loose outside, it's an absolute ANIMAL and major respect to these guys who can fly them so well!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2011 21:36:53 GMT
Mike, just box it up and take a step back.
Seriously, try the MSR or the 120 sr which is great fun. Both can fly in or out on calm days. I can fly the MSR in the garden now.
When I first got the MSR, I also thought that it was awful to hold, but in fact, something just clicked after a week and it suddenly seemed to settle. It's a bit like riding a bike.
If you took a step back and gained experience/confidence on a small single blade, you may change your mind about the CP3.
See what happens with me and the V2. Being a fixed blade, it may be easier after MSR.
It was a massive jump to go from MCX2 to that. Totally different feel and the MSR and 120 sr give you a taste of that feel with better stability than the CP3 which is extremely hard to hold.
If it's too stressful, go back a couple of steps and get the fun back.
Ian
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